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"FEW know about plurality giving? BUSHWAH! Unless you count everyone who ever heard the Acts 29 song about "Plurality Giving"-called "Plurality Giving"- "FEW" people, then a LOT of people heard about it back in the mid-to-late 80s after their album "God First" was released. That was the album with the least number of songs, and TWO of them-count them, TWO of them-were about giving money. One was about the tithe, and was called "Firstfruits". One was about "plurality giving", and was called "Plurality Giving". I liked to play them back-to-back. So long as we're shilling for money, let's not pretend we're not. :D--> Back in the 80s, the teachings on "plurality giving" weren't coercive like in the "Promised Land of the Prevailing Word", when people were to "prevail" on the brink of poverty. lcm HIMSELF said, in the context of giving beyond your need, that it was up to you to determine what your "need" was. He said that if your need involved you owning 12 cars, then that was that. I guess THAT's the part he really took for himself, though, and decided that his "need" involved extensive luxuries. (This wasn't difficult-he already had a live example of someone who decided that for themself to draw from for years.) Then again, lcm's messages got crazier over the years. In the 80s, tithing was 10% ("tithe" means "tenth"), abundant sharing was optional, and plurality giving was a nice goal. By the end of the 90s, tithing was 15%, giving above that was mandatory, and plurality giving was seen as the practical target for everyone they hadn't run off. === Even a cursory reading of Acts 4:32-35 should show this was nothing like THEIR practice! "Neither was there any among them that lacked....distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." This practice took the EXTRA from some and used it to cover the NEED of OTHERS- so that NOBODY had luxuries at that moment, but all had enough to cover their NEEDS. This was sufficient to cover the immediate needs of the situation, which were the result of the immediate situation of the sudden influx of new arrivals who didn't have jobs yet. Compare this one-time incident with the WEEKLY practice of twi, where you gave everything WEEK after WEEK, and, instead of it going to the POOR to cover their needs, it went to purchase luxuries for those at the top. The apostles NEVER had luxuries for themselves, they bled out their lives for God's people, and Paul himself worked a secular job to set a good example. ===== This little 'Dead Sea' was dead for years-because it was all INLET and no OUTLET. ( And because of all the dead bodies floatin' in it.)

Fried Green Tomatoes????

10/20.

Antonio Banderas Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over Ricardo Montalban

Even when I was IN, I wasn't thrilled with lcm's anti-Catholicism rants. (Not that I have any love for the organization, but Christ died for Roman Catholics as well as twiglets, Greasespotters, and Christian werewolves. :)--> ) I didn't see any profit in simple bashing of Christians OR organizations. WORSE, lcm ranted against "Apostolic Succession" and "Papal Infallibility", and darned if he didn't carry on as if both applied to HIM. I've not agreed with all Jean Paul II's doctrine, and I've pointed stuff out when relevant, but, for the most part, I've said I've liked him as popes go, and most of his rap I've been ok with. (Yes, I ended with a preposition. Beat me.)

I at least waited til I met him to give him static over that. I had spent over 2 hours playing "Profiler" and getting in the hacker's head. I had even prowled cyberspace and had a prime suspect. Glad I awaited further events before going after him. And I was mildly amused when I told Paw off for it (mock told-him-off, of course.) So, he knew I wasn't sore. :)-->

*checks* Holy moley, he's right! G st G, the usual rule of thumb for trivia online is the Honor System, and if your curiousity got the best of you and you HAD to look it up, then you opted out of answering. Otherwise, there's no challenge. (Yes, when I checked, I invalidated myself for answering that one.) Raf's up at bat.

Fred Savage Vice Versa Judge Reinhold

Samuel Jackson Episode II-Attack of the Clones Christopher Lee *catches up to the whole thread* BTW, Raf, Brian Blessed played Voltan, King of the Hawkmen, in Flash Gordon. Big dude with beard, mace and wings. (If memory serves, and it should.) (And someone should have called me when you guys got stalled at "From the Hip". :)--> )

You want to post a hint, Pirate, or give a different quote, or should we just move on and forget this quote? Seems we need a hint here....

You left out the best part!!!! Whenever someone mentioned the taped segment of this, when lcm is trying to "explain" this and is confronted with a roomful of glazed and confused looks, he closes all of the stuff you mentioned with the following "summary": "You don't see that? Well, too bad-I do! *laughs*" In short, acknowledging that nobody but him sees it that way, and acknowledging that THEIR opinions are meaningless in wayworld. ======= "What's the most selfish sexual act?" Now that I stop for an instant to consider the question on the table, I can think of at least one more "selfish" than the one he named, but I'm not naming it because that's as far as I think we should take this discussion in that direction. =========== You also left out the full-colour picture! There's this thing by da Vinci or somebody, depicting Adam, Eve and the devil. It's been supposed that lcm came up with this whole thing based on the one picture. (Or his own insecurities. Whichever.)

Is that anything like the "curse of the crazy white man from town"? I think that's what it was called in "Thinner." (Raf would know.)

Most of my suggestions are probably in the works. They all relate to the ability of new arrivals to be brought up to speed. (Except I'd rename "WayDale Documents" as "Documents".) I'd like a set of articles for the newbies that give thumbnail sketches of the history of twi, decade by decade (one for the 50s, one for the 60s, etc, thru the 00s.) Nothing book-length, just enough so that they get an overview of the major events of that decade. I'd like to see an organized glossary of terms of twi-speak and GSC-speak, which means someone would need to organize the thread we have on that and present it in some sort of coherent order, say, alphabetical, with each term's information all grouped together. It probably would be of benefit to include a tally of twi's moneymaking enterprises, and how much each costs/costed, and when. It would help if the links for where to go if you need professional help were easier to find off the main site. I'd like to see an article on the history of the "Corps Chalet" and so on. I'd like to see a rundown of the books vpw recommended or carried in the bookstore, and their contents (Hunt Close, Myth of the Six Million, etc.) I'd like to see a nice breakdown of the authors vpw ripped off, with examples (Leonard, Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger). I'd like to see an article on the various luxuries of twi- "your ABS at work", like the planes, snowmobiles, etc, including when the catowner said people should get rid of their cats. I'd also like to see a side-by-side comparison of what is required of lay-leaders in a Christian organization vs what's required of a twig coordinator/Advanced grad. ==== That's what I'd like to see, anyway. Let me know if you need me to work on that glossary.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the exact wording of this sentence, as it appears in its movie... "Say....one of you guys know how to 'Madison'?" (This is the next movie's quote.)

But, with Jennifer Lopez in Gigli, I still think the line would have fit in that movie too..... ;)-->

*thinks* Marlon Brando and Al Pacino. They were both in the Godfather -did they share a scene? But I don't know of any other movie they were both in. ==== Robert de Niro and Al Pacino. They were both in the Godfather Part II-did they share a scene? I was going to guess Gigli based on the quote, but de Niro wasn't in it. *snaps fingers* The answer is HEAT, correct?

Anyone can type a name on a screen. Can one of you irrefutably prove this is or is not the Jimmy Doop who many of you knew?

Three things. A) Thanks for posting. B) If you think there's a negative tone HERE, you should check out some 12-step boards and some OTHER "survivors of" boards. We're "survivors of twi". We're actually pretty chipper compared to a lot of those. C)You think this BOARD "mainly goes over the same basic topics", Maybe. By comparison to twi, however, we can be pretty innovative. A number of subjects here MUST keep coming up, as new people arrive and need to be informed of things they didn't know existed. A number of subjects are new each time. Compare a year of twi with a year of the GSC. Which one gets more repetitive? Even counting the "PFAL is the new Bible" heresy, the threads here demonstrate a LOT more diversity than is PERMITTED in twi. Judge for YOURSELF, please. Compare them side by side. God bless and take care.

Still.. what results? Perhaps you were not a zealous as I was. In our classes- we read the materials. We worked the books- while we were going through the class. More times than not. Honestly- I could tell you the difference between how Doc handled "needs and wants parallel" in the book AND the film class. I remember even the stinking jokes- even the ones he chose not to put in the PFAL book. We worked over even the most mundane, insignificant crap- people counted how many times he said "Christ in you" in session five- trying to attach some mysterious significance to each "occurence". We debated endlessly why he was justified in omitting "ye think" in John 5:39. In the film class, he really stumbled over that.. almost choked. But there it is, all in it's glory in the written materials. This kind of handling of God's Word is STILL a stumbling block, but not to me anymore. I went as far as to write the entire PFAL book, RHST and more in minature form in my bible. I still have it. The sixty-two page sylabus also forms an appendix in the back of my bible- word for word, charts and all- hand copied, exactly to the letter. I went as far as to take the sylabus, and bracket the verses listed that Dr. only quoted, not directly read. I worked that sucker up and down, inside and out, day and night sometimes- year after year- and a lot of times it STILL did not work. Still. Still at many times, bad stuff happened anyway- believing or not. Sometimes good stuff happened out of the blue- no believing involved. Sometimes good things happened because of God, and because I "believed" and because of what I learned. And life is the same today. I refuse to even open the thing anymore. No more. Got insufficient tools? More honestly- some of the "tools" were not "tools"- they did not work. I remember the tools- some of them I wish I could FORGET. "Fear is believing, it is believing in reverse..." Some of it was good.. other parts were skewed beyond any recognition or pattern of logic. There were times I got some real CRAP and I DID NOT have fear. So.. WHAT results? Honestly- honest question. I showed you mine. Some were OK, some stunk. And a lot of the stuff is pretty personal. Show me yours. What (and I mean in a concrete manner) did it do for you? What is the present "mastering" and labor doing? The difference, Mr Hammeroni, is that you actually MASTERED PFAL, and the Mikean system requires that you follow an esoteric and arbitrary set of rules that sometimes completely contradict the contents of pfal, and sometimes follow the dictates of some spirit Mike doesn't want to discuss. At this time, I'd like to make a CALL FOR ACCLAMATION to declare Mr Hammeroni UNDISPUTED MASTER OF PFAL based on years of painstaking and unrelenting work, exceeding that of any other poster here.

What are you, new? Mike, 2/2/04, 12:17am, Eastern. "When you see Christ in his glory he will be holding a PFAL book in his hand and teaching you from it." Vickles, 2/3/04, 7:51pm, Eastern. "So, Mike, you weren't kidding about JC coming with a PFAL book in his hand." Mike, 2/3/04, 7:53pm, Eastern. "Totally serious. I've already seen him this way more than once." That's not even counting Mike, 2/3/04, 5:22am, Eastern. "Jesus Christ appointed Dr his spokesman. Jesus Christ is VERY interested in PFAL. He told me so." ==== The idea of Jesus Christ possibly returning holding a kitten or a frilly pink dress was mine, though. Your opinion which would be a more profitable use of the Lord's hand at that particular moment.

WTH has posted some things that are technically accurate. (And some that aren't.) I don't trust it coming from WTH any more than I trust the woman with the familiar spirit just because she claimed that the disciples were men serving the Most High God. It strikes me that this was meant to lend credibility to less-credible statements made later...

He'd mentioned once before that he HAS a router. That's why I just said to remember to connect that FIRST. I would add a software firewall, but this allows him to have security while he's downloading one. Unless he loaded the thing from disk. (Refrains from making another aol joke.)

So, does giving precede believing, and believing precede receiving, or does believing precede giving, and giving precede receiving? I think it's the latter. People believe twi's promises, give money, and twi receives the money.

Frankly, I care little what he does. I keep a general eye for announcements about the splinter groups and their leaders and so on, but I'm hardly riveted for news on any one, nor on JAL in particular. The only real interest I have in him is as pertains to ME. That generally means "as pertaining GSC" or another website. THAT usually means "what has Jeff posted somewhere with JAL's name on it, and has JAL approved this message?" This week, it meant JAL's reply to some discussions about his personal life, and how his only involvements with us always seem to preclude anything resembling a civilized discussion on the board, and how he thinks of us as an unruly mob of gossips. Considering many of us were people he purported to lead in the past in one capacity or another, that probably says something about what he thinks of his CURRENT flock as well. (Or what he says when someone wanders off his pasture.)

So Mike, that it? Master PFAL cause God is using it to "invite us up to His level? I've heard that one before. Let me rephrase that:"... Mike said unto us, ye shall not surely remain a failure: For God doth know that in the day ye mastereth PFAL, your eyes shall be opened and you will be on the same level as God , knowing how to manifest His power." I knew this whole thing had a familiar ring to it.... Can you be more specific in your answer? HCW, take WTH's aimless ramblings as a compliment. Whenever Mike faces posts like this one you posted here, someone like WTH shows up to obscure the discussion, almost as if Mike asked them to show up out of nowhere and waste our time to take the heat off of him. We've had a number of odd coincidences like that before...