WordWolf

If the problem persists, and resists solving, may I remind you that some of us get along great with one of several stable, free firewalls? Just a thought.

I've heard a number of people say they uninstalled it after installing. In fact, since installing it, restarting, then uninstalling it will install all the hotfixes and things while taking back out all the bs that caused problems on installation, some people are recommending doing that very thing. Me, I haven't decided. If you don't here from me for about a week, you'll know I installed it and had some problems uninstalling it.... :)-->

Thanks. I keep making that mistake, and I keep trying not to.

I noticed we don't have any convenient guides to the history of twi. I wouldn't mind trying to organize and briefly summarize things with the right data. Please help. Please post your links to lengthier explanations of things, and periods in time. Please post your recollections of significant events, along with the year (years, decade) they happened. Let's run from the beginning to the present day, any order you can recollect. (I'll try to organize the thread, along with poster's names, unless they don't want mention, on a different thread, in chronological order, when we're done.) ======================== Ok, history. Up to 1st century AD. God does a bunch of stuff. 1st century AD. Jesus Christ, The Messiah, is born and redeems mankind. He's sacrificed, resurrected and ascends. Pentecost arrives, and the gift of holy spirit is poured out among men. "Born Again" is now an option. The New Testament is written. The Christian "church" spreads over the region, despite being illegal in places and spoken-against in places. It shows a distinct lack of central organization, standardization of any kind, organized classes, and indeed, copies of most of the canon in most places. It also lacked a tithe. 2nd century AD-early 1800s. Christianity becomes legal and the dominant religion in Europe. Copies of the canon remain limited, as does knowledge. The invention of Gutenberg's printing press changes that, and becomes one impetus for the Protestant Reformation, Luther's 95 Theses, and so on. Late 1800s to early 1900s. E.W. Bullinger, and others, write. Their books are later plagiarized by VPW. 1942. According to VPW, God told him that He would teach him His Word like it hasn't been known since the First Century, if he would teach it to others. Some time later, VPW began adding that he asked God to confirm this by letting him see snow-which he did. (Either a vision or a miracle of snow.) No independent corroboration exists of any snow or vision, and VPW later showed a willingness to invent miraculous snowstorms when it suited his purpose. VPW later went on to form TWI, which had organized classes, a hierarchy, centralized organization, a mandatory tithe, and study in the Bible. ============== Ok, people, what happened when? When was he canned from that church in Van Wert? When was his supposed mission trip to India and the keys to the city, and the healing at Jubbulpore? When did outreach to the coasts happen? How'd Heefner and Doop enter and leave the scene? When did he first take BG Leonard's class, and when did PFAL start running? When did the 2nd Corps run, and around when did LCM climb the ladder? For that matter, when did RFR climb the ladder? How about the other BOT/BOD members?

Let's see.... Salaries... Salaries for the most part have always been subsistence wages on grounds, unless you had "juice". So, how many people on grounds still have "juice"? (Everybody else's wages barely count as a blip on the radar, even all together.) Properties.... Which properties are still owned? Which were sold off? Which are not being maintained? (No staff, but not a moneymaker either.) lcm's class.... Doesn't sound like it's cost-effective compared to the effort of pushing that class. Books... What's still selling? We do know they authorize "special editions" and convince people to get new copies of old books... Advances.... Events like "Advanced Class Specials" still run, it seems. Tithes... I don't know if they're currently pushing 10% or 15% of income. Investments.... These still exist, but I know nothing about them. ==== Can someone who knows something on the above subjects fill in some of the blanks?

I call dibs on November 29, 2004!

Remember to use Spybot's "immunization" function which prevents some spyware from ever arriving....

I just zeroed in on the page-hit#s as well. I know what those mean.

Could also have something to do with twi's site lacking CONTENT, whereas the ex-twi sites have documents and active forums and up-to-the-minute information on things twi keeps trying to sit on and conceal. Plus, twi (I suspect) still pushes the "internet is evil" stuff, whereas possible prospects the current twi'ers approach go online and look up twi, find the other sites, and my, my! What interesting information they find! :D-->

BTW, AdAware's latest version is AdAware SE 1.5...... You will probably need to update to be really on the cutting edge.

It retained my Bookmarks. Now, if they can just finish redoing all the Extensions, so I have my dream-browser again, I'd really be running cool.

I thought this was worth repeating.

WOAH! To hear them talk about how they make decisions you'd think they were perfect decision makers because they did think things through thoroughly, almost to the point of "analysis paralysis", and, of course, God was telling them the right decision. I always heard they accounted for every penny and spent our abundant sharing oh so carefully and wisely. Yet another myth debunked by first hand testimony. Geez, we were so stupid on the field. I know I believed everything they told us. --> Just pass the kool-aid this way, would ya? Slowly the truth rears its ugly head.......

Nope! It automaticaly imports all of your IE bookmarks. :)--> I have no idea as to whether you have to delete any previous versions of Firebird or not; I went ahead and overwrote mine. *sighs* IE has "Favourites", FireFox has "Bookmarks." I know it imports IE "Favourites" and makes them "Bookmarks". What I want to know-and, from your post, you know the answer- is, if I install it over a previous FireFox, will it retain my FireFox "bookmarks", or will it delete them all?

It's already on my "to-do" list. One question: I'll need to re-enter all my bookmarks all over again, right? (I'm ok with reloading all the "extensions", but I don't want to re-enter all my bookmarks.) Another question: If I do have to re-enter it, can I keep both side-by-side as I do it, or do I have to delete previous editions of FireFox to complete the download? I didn't see that answer when I was looking this up.

When it identifies stuff, right-click on the menu of what it found. You can then select things like "delete all" , which it will confirm as you proceed.

*reads* Really good link, there. Says it all better than I could.

Steve Lortz in normal text. [WordWolf in boldface as usual.] Please reread your post. You're pretty consistent with painting Darby and others as being evil beings who shoved a pretribulation rapture down people's throats and frustrating the grace of God. From a "character" point of view, it's dishonest, and it reads like a smear campaign. It becomes WORSE when one notes that DARBY DID NOT PREACH A PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE. It appears to me that you're spending energy painting Darby as the scourge of modern Christianity that would be better spent actually checking if Darby taught what you're claiming he taught. At least you're not making that ridiculous claim that Darby invented the concept of a rapture based on a vision of Mc Donald, who ALSO did not believe in a "pretribulation rapture". ]

From what I can tell, with a few notable exceptions, everyone says something vaguely similar to this.... "When I first showed up, everything was idyllic. Then things went slowly legalistic, and eventually I left (or was kicked out for failing to cower in a prostrate manner before a mog or moglet.)" That suggests that it got steadily worse, slowly, and what the late arrivals thought was pretty good was what the early exiters would have considered a pale imitation of what THEY showed up for. ========== What was "good" in the good old days also seems to vary, based on how far from a root locale you were, and how well-connected your family was. (In other words, humble peons who lived a few hours' drive from a root locale were up against it.)

MJ, I'm reasonably certain that nobody here is saying the following: "I bear zero responsibility for my actions when in twi, and I bear zero responsibility for deficiences in my child/children's upbringing while in twi, and I bear zero responsibility for their exposure to those who would verbally or physically abuse them, and I bear zero responsibility for carrying out instructions on how to raise children that were damaging to them while in twi." NOBODY is saying that, but I get from you that you're saying that speaking against evils of twi in this category is to abrogate one's own responsibility. From a legal standpoint, all twi members who had achieved their majority (18 or older), bear responsibility for their actions, and are responsible for their children. I don't see anyone arguing against that. ======= Look- every day, there are new people online. Every day, someone is tricked into giving out their passwords. Every day, someone is tricked by some new scam online. Every day, e-mail inboxes are flooded with warnings about imaginary problems, forwarded by well-meaning people. We're talking about some people who lose a few seconds of their time, and some who lose thousands of dollars. On top of their monetary loss, some people speak out against internet scams. Would you tell them that they should not blame the people who intentionally scammed them-that it was their own fault? Well, they DID choose to act, but that makes the scammer no less a criminal. ================= I frequently liken the GSC to an Alcoholics Anonymous-type of board. Both boards deal with ruined lives. Both boards deal in recovery. Both boards sometimes deal with harsh events. I think you would NOT go to an AA board and post "You all CHOSE to buy alcohol. Get over yourselves and get on with your lives." However, that's approximately what you did here. Something to think about, I suggest.

It was brought up in the GSC at some point....I don't remember details beyond that. I wasn't at WayDale but remember this coming up.

twi: "The Word takes the place of the absent Christ." Therefore, we'll lead you until you meet him. WordWolf: Bible says if any man sins, we have an advocate (defense attorney) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (That's shooting from the hip. I'm running around and will find some clear verses when I can.)

I think it's Thunderbird that's the mail-widget for FireFox. Microsoft made a point of integrating IE and Outlook into its operating system. That way, when you try and operate under Adam Smith's invisible hand, and use a different browser or mail-server, you can't be sure there isn't some sort of connection to IE or Outlook or something. Of course, now they're using this as an excuse against releasing their systems with various "options"....

I know a guy who thinks the ONLY terrorists trying to damage things in the US went down in those planes. Apparently, there WERE no other terrorists in various attacks across the years since then and before them, some of whom are periodically arrested. He thinks that eliminating that handful eliminated their entire structure, support network, and any other attackers. ===== Did twi eliminate a few people recently?