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Of course, if they had a mogfot who loved the internet, the whole "possessed cyberspace" thing would no longer be "today's truth", but "yesterday's wineskin".

I'm taking it as a given that, according to their schedule, it's a feature on the local news in those timeslots. Yes, if someone has access to the show, and the know-how and equipment, they can digitize the clip, then someone can host the file online like the audio clips we have here. (Or the video clips on twi's site.) Then post the link so we can download the clip.

EVERYBODY has an after-Christmas sale.

Hm. That was interesting.

I find more value in carrying a flashlight in my pocket. Then I don't have to count anything. :D-->

Actually, I think Raf was saying that there is no "smoking gun" verse that says "The unforgivable sin is...." with a straight answer. What he WAS saying was that vpw's pat answer was patently wrong on several levels, so we know one thing it is NOT. The ONLY description we are given is that it is "blaspmemy against The Holy Ghost." Beyond that, whole books have speculated wildly on the subject, but nobody had anything beyond speculation.

I disagree. Got a basis for that statement?

Who decided that all we do is argue? If that's all we did, I wouldn't hang around. I, publicly, suggested-and requested-polite discourse. My reply to his sole public message here was respectful and articulate. I even suggested, if he was concerned his name would prejudice people unfairly about him-that he use a pseudonym. Almost nobody here knows me IRL. However, a lot of you have opinions about me, about what I value, what I don't value, what I think is important, and how I think I should act. You've made those determinations based on the content and phrasing of my posts. He could easily do the same. Further, who said this is all about "winning"? Polite discussion is an exchange of ideas. What turned it into a game of one-upsmanship? Who said this is a matter of "forcing" beliefs? ======= Personally, I think this is less about what JAL is doing than what Jeff is doing. These "drive-by postings" don't have the air of caring about them. They seem more advertisement than "discussion", and this IS a "discussion forum". He drops a "look how clever JAL is!" post, and then fire is drawn towards JAL, not Jeff.

[Can't have anything without its origin. Fruit proceeds from trees, just as our actions proceed from what is in our hearts. Those who hold that the appetites of the flesh are most important certainly will act on that, just as those who believe God will act on that. The fruit proceeds from its origin, its source. Matthew 12:35 makes the points of the preceeding verses clear. Other than supposing the concept "seed" from the chapter, I'd like to see you cite the VERSE that SAYS "seed" in that chapter. It's not there? Your understanding of the verse places it there? vpw used to call that private...what? (Except when HE did it, of course. Then it was fine. ) ]

Dan, so, when Jesus says "the prince of this world cometh" and "hath nothing in me", how does that fit in with your understanding of II Cor 4:4?

Actually, Shaz, it's been pointed out by a number of people (I heard it first from Mark Sanguinetti) that most of vpw's stuff was plagiarized, and what WASN'T plagiarized was garbage. Whenever he went out on his own with "original" material, he messed up.

MJ412, Figure of speech. It was not literally true-to-fact. I forget the Greek and Latin names for it- it's where you invoke a common saying or motto from the culture.

Hi Paw. I couldn't figure out the "right" answer, either. For that matter, I wasn't clear on the question. Mostly, I prefer to know where a diatribe is going to go before I agree to set one up. I think it had something to do with how often you beat your wife, and if you've stopped or not.

Very interesting comment on her part, considering that ALMOST everything was in order at her home. Let's see, furniture is orderly, everything is tidy, silverware in all the little racks, children asnug in their beds, husband boinking the young thing down the block. I imagine it was easier to deal with that by spending her energy stringing silverware rather than facing infidelity. If you're busy enough, you don't have time to think much about premeditated sin committed on a regular basis by someone who supposedly is teaching others to AVOID sin.

Ever wonder if the obsession with cleanliness at twi started as the result of someone with a guilty conscience struggling to physically clean what was a moral filthiness? Lady Macbeth had a similar problem trying to wash off the bloodstains after committing murder....

Genesis 3:20 "And Adah bare Jabal, he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." Genesis 3:21 "And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ." Genesis 3:22a "And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron." The first camper, the first cattle-rustler, the first musician, the first metalsmith. Are all cowboys and musicians genetically descended from them?

Interesting one, UH.

You're making it sound like "leadership" was pushing an accurate reflection of the Bible in doctrine and practice on this, and that the rank-and-file were messing up and doing things in an ungodly fashion, instead of believers doing godly things in spite of self-serving leaders. Please read up around the site. I think what some of the other Bible fans have written will surprise the heck out of you. Most of us were victims of a BRILLIANT conjob during vpw's lifetime, and a blatant manipulation after that.

I'm slowly trying to link the other thread to various sites or threads where various felonies were documented. I think the ones already there contain a few examples, I will try to do better with a bit more time.

Clicking this up so Bob can compare notes...

Very nice work, Bob. ========== However, I had one or two comments. Me, I thought 1942 was for the snow on the pumps. Was the radio program the same year? I'll need to check. One objection: You said twi never defined "more abundant life". Technically true. HOWEVER, the opening chapters of the Blue Book (TBTMS) give examples. vpw was rather specific that it was something you could see with your five senses, and was connected with material prosperity in EVERY example he gave. ======================= You asked about where vpw plagiarized his material from. I'll try to cover it very briefly. Part of it was lifted directly from EW Kenyon's books. More of it was Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible" and a few smaller works, including one on the holy spirit field. Also on the holy spirit field was JE Stiles' "Gifts of the Spirit". In some cases, identical sentences have been located in parallel books. Almost everyone admits this is because vpw plagiarized them from the previous books. (One or two people think God told vpw to plagiarize them.) The class you are referring to was taught by BG Leonard. vpw photocopied the bulk of his pfal class-anything not taken from Stiles, Bullinger and Kenyon- from BG Leonard's class. This includes the bulk of the pfal Advanced class. vpw's "definitions" of the manifestations/"gifts" of the spirit are long-winded paraphrases of Leonards, changed only to avoid identical sentences. Leonard's publishing company: Canadian Christian Press. vpw's publishing company: American Christian Press. Leonard's class occasionally used imaginary, hypothetical people as examples. Their names were: Maggie Muggins (a figure in Canadian children's tv), Johnny Jumpup (a plant), and Henry Belocco. vpw's class occasionally used imaginary, hypothetical people as examples. Their names were: Maggie Muggins, Johnny Jumpup and Henry Belocco. Others who have taken BG Leonard's courses can tell you more about what was ripped off. It seems that hearing he was ripped off so blatantly did not bless Leonard, who later added elaborate copyrights to his books. He was also slower to trust strangers, which means vpw probably hampered Leonard's efforts to move The Word. Then again, does this really surprise anyone? So long as vpw got his cut, fewer people were ok to receive blessings.

I hope that means you'd get a new harddrive with more memory and a faster microprocessor... If not, they're hosing you.

Welcome, Doorleven. I hope you like the coffee here. :)-->

In hindsight....the condescending attitude was rampant throughout twi's leadership. And, vpw was the worst of the worst. I was in a corps meeting where he threw a ....y fit for 20 minutes because some corps guy, with a low blood sugar problem, dozed off during vp's teaching. Why.....you'd have thought this guy stood up and flipped ole vpw the bird, or something?? And while we are on the subject of glory-grabbing......did ya ever notice how twi's bod courted the professionals, the athletes, the doctors and such? Seemed like twi was hot on the trail for new "pfal poster people." And......I always thought it quite ironic that after Bud Morgan's film highlighting the Stauhal family, they soon up and split out. Smart. Very smart people indeed. skyrider Why, Skyrider, You almost make it sound as if vpw was NOT some sort of spiritual super-man, who bestrode the pillars of hq and shook the heavens. You make it sound as though vpw was a guy who evaluated things solely by his five senses, and only evaluated THOSE when it suited his own purposes or his own ego.

Nice lyrics. Reminds me of "My name is Sir Lanc-e-lot, I love to sing and dance-a-lot...."