WordWolf

WTH posts the original, [WordWolf responds in boldface.] [Wrong. For a detailed explanation why, click on the links on page 1 of this thread.....]

If you're using Windows XP, send for Microsoft to send you the Service Pack 2 disc free. It contains SP2's security patches, SP1's security patches, and all the patches in between. If you install that fairly early in your machine's life, it will be a good thing. ============== The following FREE programs are well-regarded, and should be used to guard your system. Remember to update them weekly or monthly. A) Software firewall. ZoneAlarm is kind to newbies. It does not play well with Norton (which is a pay program), and is a bit tricky to uninstall if you get tired of it. (Most users who don't use Norton don't want to switch anyway.) ZoneAlarm: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/cata...ls.jsp#firewall Kerio is another firewall, and recommended by people who know computers. http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_download.html B) Antivirus. AVG is good, AntiVir is better. Both are free. AVG is kinder to newbies, but AntiVir is not hard to use at all. AVG: http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php.doc/2/ AntiVir: http://www.free-av.com/ C) Anti-spyware, anti-adware. AdAware and Spybot:Search and Destroy. Go to the "immunization" function (the corner of bricks) and switch it on immediately. AdAware: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/ Spybot: Search and Destroy http://www.safer-networking.org/en/mirrors/index.html ====== Those are most of my suggestions. Run the program scans at least once a week, if not daily. Update the firewall at least once a month, the others every few days to once a week. Oh, I think I wasn't clear.... Download ONE software firewall, ONE antivirus, BOTH AdAware AND Spybot.

Firewalls provided by a router are GREAT. Here is what they do NOT affect, however..... A) protection against dialing OUT. No security system is perfect. If something DOES get past a software firewall, a lot of it will try to dial out and contact someone with your personal data. A router will do NOTHING to prevent this. If you have a software firewall in addition to the router (Kerio and AdAware are 2 famous FREE software firewall), then the software firewall will alert you and allow you to deny permission, and let you know something made it through your perfect defenses. B) viruses of various kinds C) spyware of various kinds So, would I recommend a router? YES, ABSOLUTELY. Would I say "use a router, and DON'T add the other things? NO. My system is ringed by a variety of programs, all FREE (or donation requested, like Spybot), and I've had people PAY for stuff and be envious of my setup. :D-->

I'll interrupt my queue once more to pose what I think is a salient question. Mike? Herbert Armstrong claimed to be God's spokesman for his day and time. Herbert Armstrong claimed to receive special revelation from God that was the source of what he taught. In reality, Herbert Armstrong used other men's works and claimed he did not, despite in some cases plagiarizing them word-for-word rather than concept-for-concept. Here's the question. Was it wrong for Herbert Armstrong to plagiarize the works of other men of God and then claim that God revealed this material to him by Divine Revelation? Again, Was it wrong for Herbert Armstrong to plagiarize the works of other men of God and then claim that God revealed this material to him by Divine Revelation? If it was NOT wrong, WHY was it not wrong?

SP2's firewall is an improved version of the Windows Firewall. The original one was a toy, and I always said to turn it on before going online and getting a REAL firewall. The newer one is better than that, but it is STILL a Microsoft product, and "Microsoft security" is an oxymoron. Switch the thing on to minimize problems while you download a REAL firewall from Kerio or somewhere. I LIKE to run my Spyware catchers daily! It excites me to see them come up blank! Plus, AdAware keeps finding routine things I can ignore but prefer not to.

No. My warning was to try to forestall problems. Some people report having problems with SP2. Most of them are people whose system registry and other stuff has been chopped to swiss cheese by spyware, viruses, etc. If it's working fine for you, leave it alone. In fact, if you were setting up a Windows pc for the first time, I'd recommend installing SP2 before going online, and immediately downloading a firewall and antivirus as soon as you WERE online.

George, just scroll down if you don't like it. Let him tell his story in his own words. SOME of us would like to hear the details. (Although I'd prefer a few names to have at least one character switched with an "x" to prevent search engines from finding this.) It's not like he's making a sales-pitch or something. It's a bit like a memento mori. Give it space.

Deleting old System Restore Points. This should be done every once in a while. If it's been a long time, you'll discover a lot more free space on your pc all of a sudden. Here's how it's done on XP. start> programs> accessories> system tools> Disk Cleanup. Select "more options" and where it says "System Restore", select "clean up". That will delete all restore points except the most recent. Keep in mind that your pc periodically will make its own restore points even if you NEVER do. I recommend making one for yourself just before doing something radical, just in case you need to undo it. Once you've completely cleaned out your pc, I'd recommend making your own Restore Point, and then cleaning up the old ones again. ===== Furthermore, disk cleanups should be done every few days if not daily (or every few hours). For that matter, you should also clear your Firefox cache. Tools>Options>Privacy Clear "History" "Cookies" "Cache". BTW, when you have time, go to http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html and select "Tech-Support". I think you'll recognize this situation. :)-->

Good to know. Norton and ZoneAlarm do not mix. Since WordWolf and Norton do not mix, I keep forgetting this. As it stands, I get better reports from users of several FREE antivirus programs than I do for Norton, which people pay for. In fact, one friend got frustrated with Norton and switched to AVG (which is free.) AVG AntiVir and Avast! all have free versions, and I regularly hear more stories of customer satisfaction from the users of each.

Thanks so much for the pics, and thanks for the notice here for the pics. :)-->

We discussed some of these in 2003/2004. Where were you?

Def59, I think you missed the place where Mike told you that if vpw had cited his sources in the backs of "his" books, that we would have died and wandered aimlessly in error.

]I'm interrupting what I WANTED to post next to comment on this. Mike, 2/2/04 12:17am. "When you see Christ in his glory he will be holding a PFAL book in his hand and teaching you from it." ("So, Mike, you weren't kidding about JC coming with a pfal book in his hand?") Mike, 2/3/04, 7:53pm. "Totally serious. I've already seen him this way more than once." ===== So, Mike, what are you trying to claim here-that the pfal books claimed it is NOT a future reality, but instead some Gnostic-leaning "special revelation" for today? ===== ===== BTW, Mike? A "rapture/gathering together" in the future IS what vpw taught, all the time! You're questioning it? =====

Until you have a firewall running, consider your computer to be, in effect, completely unprotected. I use ZoneAlarm. People who know more about computers than me have recommended Kerio. I like ZoneAlarm because it's kind to newbies. Here's a link for Kerio. http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_home.html Select "download" and follow whatever instructions you get. Here's a link for ZoneAlarm. http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home2.jsp Select "Free ZoneAlarm and trials", then "Zone Alarm Free Download" Both programs offer a free version which is all you need for home use. (If you have DSL, eventually you'll want to add a router. Ask someone with a router to explain why.) I expect both will be self-explanatory in terms of installing. (ZoneAlarm certainly is.) ==== I recommend you download Windows Service Pack 2, right after you do everything you can to clean up the hard drive as it currently exists. (People with security holes and viruses are the ones who have most problems with SP2.)

He said things were going to happen that didn't. Scandals and serious accusations of corruption dogged his "ministry", especially sexual accusations. He lived with many luxuries, complete with planes. He plagiarized "his" work, and claimed it was revealed to him by God. He claimed it was revealed to him ALONE in this century. He claimed his "ministry" was the sole "one true church" today. He promised that financial success and an "abundant" life were there for people who followed his instructions. He died never having offered reparations or apologies to even SOME of the Christians whose lives he ruined. He died on January 16, 1986 at the age of 93. Another so-called "THE" man of God.

Ok, Mike invoked "Paul's time travel" again. 5 points to anyone who can guess the contents of my next post. :D--> ===== Mike, Sometimes, I think you can understand why we find the concept of Jesus Christ, in the presence of his Father, learning anything from a book when his Father is RIGHT THERE utterly ludicrous no matter what you or Johnny Cochran would say. Other times, I'm sure you'd never see it.

Apparently, these mysterious Arabians have the same obsession with their johnsons that lcm had, because 6:13 has that truly bizarre phraseology I winced at when I was watching the thing in an auditorium when we first saw it in NY.... Further, despite the Olympic games having sunk into wild corruption and vanishing a relatively short time after they started, these mysterious Arabians seem to have been utterly obsessed with them-using javelins, the discus, and so on, and not, say, the tulwar, the jambiya, the chakram-which they'd actually SEEN in use. They also ended up with the self-contradictory statement in 6:11... "Clothe yourself with all the equipment, trappings and gear of a gymnast..." Who here can explain what's contradictory about this? (I KNOW some of you can explain now that you've seen it...)

I sat thru 3 weeks of Advanced class, scrutinizing cg whenever he was visible, looking intently for signs of problems. I didn't find any, and he seemed both well-balanced and mentally healthy. Frankly, that's better than I seemed for that same time-frame. Mind you, I dont think anyone else's experiences-surreal and odd though they are- are in any way invented or exaggerated. I simply didn't see them. As has been pointed out, John Wayne Gacy wore a clown suit and played children's parties before he became a serial killer. I'm sure the people at those parties would have been shocked as well. No-I can't explain it either. It seems so strange. Of course, there it is, and my INability to account for reality doesn't change reality any. === Outandabout, thanks for explaining what was ON the tapes (and when it was sent.) I was still wondering.

But, Wayfers, normal or not, are not allowed to have their own words. This WAS their attempt to use their own words, and it was STILL loaded with twi advertising lingo. You expected otherwise? Non-confirmity is bad and to be avoided.

There's some question and speculation-which, of course, is not PROOF, just an idea-that this is tied into why he and his old denomination parted ways. This is only one idea among several. However, it is possible. If vpw wasn't "active" when he hijacked the hippies and the Jesus People movement, I'd be VERY surprised. It would be nice to get a confirmation of this from someone who was there, however.

Myself, I'm fairly confident that, technically, this is noy a copy/paste. However, in a PRACTICAL sense, it may as well be. You're forgetting all the repetition ad nauseum. If someone says something, it's going to be said over and over and over. It will never be checked for errors, just repeated over and over. Someone with no understanding of the word "practical" said that, and now EVERYONE says that. NEVER subject any utterance of a mog to scrutiny. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Otherwise, the house of cards falls down.

Which tape is this?

*cracks knuckles* Ok, this one I can answer. AdAware and Spybot:S & D are 2 programs you absolutely should have on any Windows-based pc. With Spybot, the first thing you do, you activate the "immunization" function (the little corner of bricks.) Remember to update weekly. Now, AdAware and Spybot work differently. AdAware scans everything in your system, looking for adware and the like, and grabs whatever it doesn't trust. That means when you see names flashing, that's the name of the file it's currently looking at. (That is, it's on your pc, but not necessarily a problem.) Spybot has a list of suspicious programs that hang out at conspicuous spots in your pc. It looks for each program on its list. That means when you see names flashing, that's the name of the file it's currently looking for. (That is, it's a problem, but not necessarily on your pc.) Make sure you've a decent, updated Firewall (not a Windows or Microsoft product) and a decent, updated antivirus, and you should be fine. Remember to run the antivirus often as well. Oh- and remember to delete old System Restores after a while, especially if you've cleaned out garbage from your system since then. Otherwise, you have "backups" of your viruses.

Well, these fine folks have to PAY to be there, don't they? I think I just figured out why this is being pushed. JT Ever known twi to abandon a moneymaking scheme on purpose?

I agree with Oldies' rundown of the contents of the books. I also agree with recommending unreservedly the SECOND book, "the Babylon Connection?" Woodrow spent so long repudiating things in his first book, however, that I felt his omission of what he had CORRECT was a lapse of judgement on his part. He did say that there were legitimate reasons to object to immorality and corruption, so claiming a connection to Babylonian worship was dishonest and unnecessary. However, that's the closest he came to saying that his previous comments-like one pope bringing his (DEAD) predecessor into court and putting him on trial being monstrous- were correct. Further, the claim Hislop MEANT to talk over the heads of his readers was incorrect, since EVERYBODY who wrote at the time wrote just like that. (Bullinger did-I have works by one or two others.) ======= I think the condemnation of the RCC-one of the biggest fish in Christianity (no pun intended) and the claims of conspiracy in "Babylon Mystery Religion"- not to mention its low price and easy-reading style- made it a perennial favourite for twi. It shouldn't be THAT big a surprise that some people who discover that its writer repudiated it as a whole, STILL cling to the earlier book, in twi and in some of the splinters.