WordWolf

Like they know that. One of the things they check for is if you swallowed your money. ("Another Fine Myth")

Don't think your work wasnt appreciated. Without the both of you guarding the room, the adversary would have been allowed a toe-hold into preventing us from prevailing in the spiritual competition that is life, and would have allowed him to steal, kill and destroy the hotel coffee, or something.

I'll echo his request. What can those of you who knew her tell us of her?

Ok, my bad. I'd read this at the bottom of page 8, but for some reason I thought there was going to be a follow-up on it. Not sure why I got that impression. Myself, I was going to wait for the end before recommending it be edited for inclusion elsewhere, but someone beat me to it.

Most of the people who tried to reprove me were at least partly correct in doing so, and none of them tried to shout at me. (This was a smart idea. Perhaps they thought I'd pull a knife or something. Like I'd need a knife...) So, I listened, and found merit where it was. Where it wasn't, I listened, then did my own thing again. ===== The one exception was a guy in the corpse when I visited hq. I said something which was true but he didn't want to hear. (It wasn't ministry-related.) He went into one of those filibuster diatribes they learned from experience in the corpse. I waited for him to finish, then said, coolly, "You've been waiting all day to give that speech, haven't you?" I forget what else we said, but the conversation relaxed a bit after that. Part of it was because he didn't NEED to put on the mask for me, part of it because it wouldn't work if he DID. It's funny-looking back, I can see he probably felt a little more at-ease not having to read from his script....

No- somebody CLAIMED-off the record- that twi is now kinder and gentler. Not the same as someone investigating it and saying "Behold! They are kinder and gentler!" (Someone who would give a fair appraisal, anyway.)

I'd start looking from here: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm

HCW, whenever you feel ready to discuss Roch*lle again....

Frankly, I think the "14 generations....14 generations...14 generations" thing gives vpw's explanation the strongest case. I'm curious if he got it from someone else, or really DID come up with it himself. (Odds are, he got it from somewhere else.) Interesting he split from Bullinger on this, though.

As promised many moons ago, some crowing about Firefox. Firefox is designed to accomodate lots of "extensions"- widgets that enhance your browsing experience. Firefox by itself is a neater program than Internet Explorer. Due to IE not matching industry standards, some websites designed specifically to be viewed under IE won't view properly under Firefox. No problem. Activate your "IEview" extension and it reads the same way. Unadjusted Firefox has a great popup blocker. You can add just about anything you can think of to Firefox. Like using "gesture" commands? There's an extension for that. There's extensions for better Flash downloading, and better downloads. "NukeImage" and "NukeAnything" allow you to make whatever you want disappear off the screen. (Except some Flash that you can shut off by default.) Want instant translation? Tiny URL access? Access to news sites? There's extensions for THAT, too. "AdBlock" allows you to prevent ads from even loading. It also works on offensive linked graphics, if you want to block them instead. Somebody mentioned a program that allows IE to zoom in on an image. Firefox has ImageZoom. And so on, and so on.

By request, clicking this to the top. I left the child abuse thread where it was.

Does anyone want me to bump up the old "Hunt Close" thread?

BTW, something reminded me of this..... Did anyone here ever hear what vpw said out loud about the present danger of women hitchhiking to LEAD and getting raped? He spoke about it. Anyone with a copy of the "Heart of the Way Corps" tapes can play the 2 that were recordings of vpw, and hear what he said. I never memorized his response-but I believe I still have the tapes fairly handy if it's really needed.... He said people had complained that women could get raped hitch-hiking. He responded that women could get raped in areas they normally travelled in (some valley-Green Valley, maybe?), and used THAT as his justification for saying this objection was groundless. Would anyone out there care to replay it and report back EXACTLY what he said on the subject? It's about a minute or so after he says "You'll hitchhike to L.E.A.D. even if you NEVER make it."

Oh, and since HCW seems mostly done, I feel I can chime in a bit on the main story. I won't respond to what happened to that woman, since that part hasn't been completed yet. As to the actual accident, yes, the driver was in control of the vehicle. Elementary driver's education says to drive slowly when encountering inclement weather, impediments to vision, or difficulties driving. The driver should have done this. HOWEVER, the social stigmas he was labouring under made this choice abhorrent. He was, essentially, FORCED to use unsafe speed to get the job done within the inadequate timeframe. If he had used a safe speed, he would have been late, then ridiculed and held up as an object of scorn. ("Lack of believing", etc.) So, he was using an unsafe speed. Further, the vehicle was poorly balanced. Further, it was overloaded. Mainly, it was completely unsafe for the passengers. If you sit thru ANY level of Driver's Ed, you will hear-over and over- that, no matter how serious the accident, your chances of survival are tremendously increased so long as you remain in the vehicle. That's why SEATBELTS are the law. http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/seatbelt.asp The "passengers" (cattle, really) were NOT secured into the vehicle, nor in anything designed to guarantee safety of the passengers. THAT was the direct cause of the most severe injuries (not to discount HCW's injuries as minor-they're obviously longterm) and was DIRECTLY the fault of the management of the program... and telling me the management was so ignorant of the program they "managed" that they were unaware that even a second-hand schoolbus or passenger van would have been MANY times safer will not wash, since their primary JOB was to know those very details. They SHOULD have taken the entire route themselves and seen firsthand if it was safe to take that route in that vehicle, if it was the "standard" route. Of course, this would have been an entirely different story if they had....

I'll agree that's a great explanation. ==== I'll even try to answer your question. (Mind you, I could be completely off-base since I can't read Satori's mind.) children's songs, sitting on the floor..... I've been given to understand that there are adults out there in the USA that like to pretend they're little children in private. (I'm thinking they don't remember childhood very well.) Now, leaving aside discussions of what motivates someone to do this, I think we can agree, if a grown adult male wants to dress up as Little Lord Fauntelroy or Buster Brown in his living room, and ride a wooden stick "hobby-horse" around and pretend he's a little kid, well, whatevah. Just make sure you pull the shades/blinds/curtains closed first. On the other hand, Vickles, let's say some guy (husband, fiancee, steady boyfriend) says to you that he wants YOU to dress up like Punky Brewster or Pippi Longstocking or whatever and ride a hobby-horse around the living room. You would probably say "HAHAHAHAHAHA! No, wait-you were SERIOUS??" You'd back up a few feet, and say something was wrong. Why does this guy want to infantilize you? What sick purpose does he have to make you like a child? Well, guess what? If you were in the corpse, you sat thru something like this! Not to the same degree, and not for the same reasons, I hope, but you were infantilized. Your erstwhile "Father in da werd" kept calling you "kids", had you sing children's songs, and had you sit around while being taught, all to evoke childhood? Why? This evokes the responses of childhood- the reactions that the "adult" knows more than you, and you have to obey, the idea that you know nothing and have to be told what to do, that you have to "be a good boy/girl" and obey. Subtle, yes. Insidious, yes. Intentional? Well, could it possibly have been accidental? Think carefully before answering. Could they possibly have been deliberately training people not to be good LEADERS, but good FOLLOWERS instead?

At 75 mph in MANHATTAN on the straightaways, he would have to run red lights or be sideswiping cars on the FDR Drive. I'll buy he was going fast, but 75 in a truck SHOULD and WOULD get you arrested. There was a news item about such a truck making an unsafe turn at speed in a residential area, and turning a kid into a memory, in JANUARY. Furthermore, WNEW is 102.7, not 107.2... It USED to be a successful rock-and-roll station (and a rock legend) until some fool changed it to talk a few years ago. Now they changed it again because that didn't work, and I don't know WHAT the playlist is.

Maybe I just happen to know the only Polyannas out there besides Vickles' kids, but I know some teenagers who would have done that, too. I know a few "kids" currently in college who steer clear of situations involving drinking and "bad behaviour" like cursing, or situations likely to involve them.

Thanks for illustrating how we were charged retail for what was supposedly something specifically for our benefit, and NOT a revenue-generating-source for twi.

In the tape series "the Heart of the Way Corps", vpw was rather specific that HE came up with the 5 "spiritual principles" in a few minutes. So, that WAS from the beginning of the program. There were minor changes. The first one read "Acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness." He complained that it ORIGINALLY said "of The Word". Frankly, I don't get what he complained about-it was always part of his nebulous claims that he operated on some sort of spiritual plateau where that's what HE did. Maybe he didn't like the competition, and preferred that the rank-and-file remained spiritually dependent upon him and not make God their sufficiency in revelation. ==== The complaint you raised is one I've been mentioning also- the way corpse was organized SPECIFICALLY to throw people into situations where they had inadequate or absent training, and were supervised by people with inadequate or absent training, and blame the victims when things didn't go perfectly. Mind you, the victims were told before going in that it was the most fantastic "training" in the world (what "training"?) but they were NOT told ahead of time that they would face physically-demanding, emotionally-assaulting headgames, and that some of them would lose their lives due to the careless planning that was fudged from the top on down. Of course, someone here says that the responsibility was all on the people who signed, and on the inadequately-trained facilitators, who were given a candybar and a map and told to make it across the state, or something. So, there's a difference of opinion.

WTH posts the original, [WordWolf responds in boldface.] [Wrong. For a detailed explanation why, click on the links on page 1 of this thread.....]

If you're using Windows XP, send for Microsoft to send you the Service Pack 2 disc free. It contains SP2's security patches, SP1's security patches, and all the patches in between. If you install that fairly early in your machine's life, it will be a good thing. ============== The following FREE programs are well-regarded, and should be used to guard your system. Remember to update them weekly or monthly. A) Software firewall. ZoneAlarm is kind to newbies. It does not play well with Norton (which is a pay program), and is a bit tricky to uninstall if you get tired of it. (Most users who don't use Norton don't want to switch anyway.) ZoneAlarm: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/cata...ls.jsp#firewall Kerio is another firewall, and recommended by people who know computers. http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_download.html B) Antivirus. AVG is good, AntiVir is better. Both are free. AVG is kinder to newbies, but AntiVir is not hard to use at all. AVG: http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php.doc/2/ AntiVir: http://www.free-av.com/ C) Anti-spyware, anti-adware. AdAware and Spybot:Search and Destroy. Go to the "immunization" function (the corner of bricks) and switch it on immediately. AdAware: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/ Spybot: Search and Destroy http://www.safer-networking.org/en/mirrors/index.html ====== Those are most of my suggestions. Run the program scans at least once a week, if not daily. Update the firewall at least once a month, the others every few days to once a week. Oh, I think I wasn't clear.... Download ONE software firewall, ONE antivirus, BOTH AdAware AND Spybot.

Firewalls provided by a router are GREAT. Here is what they do NOT affect, however..... A) protection against dialing OUT. No security system is perfect. If something DOES get past a software firewall, a lot of it will try to dial out and contact someone with your personal data. A router will do NOTHING to prevent this. If you have a software firewall in addition to the router (Kerio and AdAware are 2 famous FREE software firewall), then the software firewall will alert you and allow you to deny permission, and let you know something made it through your perfect defenses. B) viruses of various kinds C) spyware of various kinds So, would I recommend a router? YES, ABSOLUTELY. Would I say "use a router, and DON'T add the other things? NO. My system is ringed by a variety of programs, all FREE (or donation requested, like Spybot), and I've had people PAY for stuff and be envious of my setup. :D-->

I'll interrupt my queue once more to pose what I think is a salient question. Mike? Herbert Armstrong claimed to be God's spokesman for his day and time. Herbert Armstrong claimed to receive special revelation from God that was the source of what he taught. In reality, Herbert Armstrong used other men's works and claimed he did not, despite in some cases plagiarizing them word-for-word rather than concept-for-concept. Here's the question. Was it wrong for Herbert Armstrong to plagiarize the works of other men of God and then claim that God revealed this material to him by Divine Revelation? Again, Was it wrong for Herbert Armstrong to plagiarize the works of other men of God and then claim that God revealed this material to him by Divine Revelation? If it was NOT wrong, WHY was it not wrong?

SP2's firewall is an improved version of the Windows Firewall. The original one was a toy, and I always said to turn it on before going online and getting a REAL firewall. The newer one is better than that, but it is STILL a Microsoft product, and "Microsoft security" is an oxymoron. Switch the thing on to minimize problems while you download a REAL firewall from Kerio or somewhere. I LIKE to run my Spyware catchers daily! It excites me to see them come up blank! Plus, AdAware keeps finding routine things I can ignore but prefer not to.

No. My warning was to try to forestall problems. Some people report having problems with SP2. Most of them are people whose system registry and other stuff has been chopped to swiss cheese by spyware, viruses, etc. If it's working fine for you, leave it alone. In fact, if you were setting up a Windows pc for the first time, I'd recommend installing SP2 before going online, and immediately downloading a firewall and antivirus as soon as you WERE online.