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Hm. I'm sure I've heard that line before. I'll have to let my brain work on that one....

BTW, I was a smidge disappointed that the starfighter battles didn't include the 2 ship models that should have been there: the Y-Wing and the Z-95 Headhunter. Both were old-model fighters by Episode IV. Y-Wings were used in the Death Star battle in Episode IV as bombers, but were being phased out as bombers by Return of the Jedi. Their main strength was being able to take a lot of punishment and keep flying. (Secondary strength: some models had a 2nd seat and a tailgunner.) The Z-95 Headhunter was "the X-Wing's little brother." It looked like an X-Wing with its wings together in cruise mode. Z-95's were the earlier model and lacked hyperdrives. They were known for taking a tight turn and also for taking a lot of punishment. The Rebellion never used them because they needed ships that could hit-and-run...and the Z-95 never had a hyperdrive. (For that reason, it also didn't use R-2 astromech droids.) Then again, if they HAD been used, the famous line "lock S-foils into attack position" could not have been used, since both are fixed-wing fighters. I think I'll survive the disappointment somehow.

Here's my top scores: Orthodox Judaism:100% Islam:97% Sikhism:90% Reform Judaism:87% Baha'i:85% Jainism:65% Mormons:62% Liberal Quakers:61%

Neo-pagan is the new do-it-yourself stuff kids put together prefab after going to see the craft. They drink wine and make up a few ceremonies involving candles or whatever, maybe "experiment" with drugs, sex, or drugged sex, and often dress gothic to freak the mundanes (sometimes ticking off the goths.) It's an "ancient religion" that started in the 50s or later, depending on specifically what they're doing. Half the time the kid listened to too much Morrissey, watched "the Craft" too many times, then decided they were Fairuza Balk or something.

A lot of people who left before 1990 never even HEARD of her. Now she's running twi. Who is she? Who was she before twi? How did she get involved with twi? How did she rise thru the ranks and make the inner circle? How'd she get the big chair? Those of you who know, please chime in.

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Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan asked Shmee about Anakin's father. She said he didn't have a father. If you're not paying attention, you might miss the exchange. I think it was around the time they gave Anakin the blood test. At the time, rather than jump to any conclusion, I figured Anakin HAD a father, who had Force skills (they run in families). His father erased Shmee's memories of himself, then split. It's not a Jedi kind of reaction, so I thought it was a SITH who did it. Think back to the scene where Palpatine's in that funky opera house talking to Anakin in his private theater box, and in the hallway. Basically, Palpatine implied that his instructor, Darth somethingorother, had figured out how to do what Raf said, and how to prevent people from dying, and he taught Palpatine almost everything he knew, and then Palpatine finished him off. As a side-note, notice how he says Palpatine taught him "everything", then, once Anakin's on his side, he says he needs to rediscover how to save Padme's life.... It's the bait-and-switch you may remember from twi. Palpatine played Anakin "like a harp from hell."

I considered thatand disagreed. Obi-Wan was focused on what I was focused on-the slaughter of the younglings. I think he went as far as "Palpatine's making his move now to seize power" and didn't need to focus on any new titles. Obviously, Lucas disagrees with me. I thought Lucas was tryingfor a laugh or something there. As a swords/dueling fan, I was entertained not by the spinning blades, but with Obi-Wan's technique in dealing with them. As I expected, he took them out one at a time while in a defensive mode. Jedi are supposed to be able to move at speeds exceeding human reaction time, and I figure slowing the playback on this scene is going to be fun also. :)-->

Of course, those people who sat thru "Athletes of the Spirit" saw-was it 7?- new categories invented by lcm. Let's see if I remember them... Heavy and gloomy Reckless and hilarious Animalistic and vicious Sensual and alluring Stately and powerful === I could swear there was one more "silly" type category. Got it-it was "Spritely and devious."

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Chilling, yes, but I don't know if even Anakin was that far gone at that point as to actually do it. Agreed-especially about the laugh. I disagree. (But then, so what?) Wasn't quite what I expected, but it did fit previous speculation that it was "Dark Side" energies that ate up his life-force. Did you wonder if he had something to do with Anakin's dreams? When he mentioned Anakin's fears, I was suspicious.... maybe it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I had thought Lucas was going to leave that alone. My previous standing theory was that Anakin's father was a Sith who used the Force to blank parts of his Shmee's memory so she didn't remember him. When Sidious made his comment in the movie, I connected the dots also. Glad it wasn't just me. But he had one good fight scene. Agreed and agreed, and I missed the Falcon. That scene was just horribly scripted,I think. Vader wasnt the only thing that was stiff and mechanical in that scene. You caught that too? "Emperor? Who's the Emperor?" (Me in the theater.) Nitpickers never rest. Hm, I missed that. True, but it was so much better than I and II. Probably trying to draw the contrast between droids/machines and Jedi/life.Matrix 2 failed attempting to make the same contrast. Other things I noticed or didnt notice.... Mon Mothma was in the credits. When did she appear? Probably a Senate scene, since Mon Mothma, Bail Organa and Garm bel Iblis were the 3 best negotiators the Senate had, but I didn't spot her. I did notice that they had an officer named Cody, who had the rank of "Commander". "Commander Cody." Cute. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045382/ You also spotted Tarkin at the end, right? I wonder what rank he held at the time. Obi-Wan complaining about the ineligance of using blasters versus lightsabers. (Reminded me of his initial description to Luke-"not as clumsy or as random as a blaster.") Obi-Wan DID get Luke's father's lightsaber, and it WAS blue. Not absolutely certain his father wanted him to have it, though..... Back when "Empire" was out, there was an article in "Fantastic Films" where it was speculated that Darth Vader had been dropped in a volcano. Rumours and speculation later followed that Obi-Wan dropped him into one.

That is odd. In the version that we have: segment #8 is about following after society verses biblical cutures, the heart of ministering to others, renewed mind, slang terms, language barriers, and likemindedness. segment #11 is finishing male anatomy, Female anatomy, 'fleshly pillow', a lot of detail about ovarys, eggs, sperm, and fertilization. :-) As you know, and as we've discussed here in detail previously.... there were several iterations of the CFS class. One of the early versions, often taught live, was the one with the "2-women-and-the-dog" movie. In mine he described it, which was more than I needed, really. Furthermore, sometimes the sessions were run in different orders. Unlike, say, the foundational class, this was manageable with a class where the sessions didnt build on each other. For that matter, I didn't really learn anything of use except the one segment from Proverbs. On another note, I found out where he got one comment. VH1 was doing "I Love the 70's", and someone read a sentence from the book "the Joy of Sex". It was word-for-word a sentence I'd commented on from the CFS class, which I question the truth of.

Mike, May 27, 2005, 1:55pm, eastern. Mike, February 3, 2004, 5:22am. Back to the 5/27 post... He claimed otherwise in the books. He claimed otherwise to the staff. More than one member of staff told you this, and you ignored the books when we cited them. Or it was less-than-perfect, just as vpw was less-than-perfect. Take both for what they were, both good and bad. Your opinion, and you've told us many times. We all disagree. All the bad things were not vpw's fault, not the class' fault, yadda yadda yadda. We've heard it, we're not buying. It didn't slip by us because you've dreamed it up. You've taken sentences out of their context, thus allowing you to use "private interpretation." And yet, you don't CITE the exact statement, thinking either A) We take your word for it or B) You're assigning us homework. No, they were when he was quoting the BIBLE, the thing you've scorned. Like how giving money was a requirement, which was an entire book, and required reading, yet it was wrong. Here comes the sales pitch! I never forsook my Bible. Some people have, and that's their decision. I'm not gonna lord it over them.

Shows how much you know. The 2-women-have-sex-with-a-dog video was not in the AC most people took- it was part of the CHRISTIAN FAMILY AND SEX class, of which an entire segment seemed to center around the students learning all the slang words for sex and body parts, and was taught by Mr "overabundance of brains and brawn." Seem to have forgotten all the times we've mentioned the errors in the books, but, really, what else is new? Yet, those who chose to live in sin were fired. Imagine that. I question whether he "got the job done" as GOD sees it. Jim Jones and David Koresh called themselves God's spokesmen as well, and there were people who thought they "got the job done" right until the point that those guys got them KILLED. Not so fast. Jesus himself made a comment about what will happen to a man who causes the little ones to stumble. I think a serial rapist hiding behind a holy mantle more than qualifies as causing someone to "stumble". Not to the point that the shepherds dont protect the flock. David REPENTED and spent the rest of his life making up for a single incident. He did not compound it by knocking up some MORE men's wives, then having those men killed. I'd like to repeat what you just said because I think it illustrates your perspective nicely. "For all I know, those ACs where that film [2-women-having-sex-with-a-dog] was shown may have had students who needed to see that." I think the rest of us are a little stuck trying to picture what kind of students would need that, and what kind of ministry vpw was running..... if students made it to his TOP-LEVEL class and somehow enough of them "needed" to see a video where 2 women were having sex with a dog that entire classes needed to see it. Seems a little implausible, to say the least. It was never "popular" for people to like sex with animals, in the US. So, any time he did wrong, no reward and that's it. If he ruined your life by raping you or something, he gets no reward, and life goes on for him. You need to renew your mind and get on with life. NO, he is removed from office for ABUSING HIS OFFICE. I know, you hate it when we discuss what disqualifies him to hold his supposed office. A) vpw the man is the reason vpw the man ruined lives and disqualified himself from holding office. B) HIS EDITORIAL TEAM ALREADY TOLD YOU their work was their best, it was to glorify God, but it was NOT GOD-BREATHED. You weren't interested when they told you THAT, either. Were you here when you posted that vpw had "an overabundance of brains and brawn", was "gifted, even overgifted", and that "when he walked, the earth shook"? See, most people call that "idolizing". We all agree on that one. There'd be no GSC if he HAD been. Well, except in the cases that were this severe, most Christians never dealt with this. The Israelites dealt with this under Hophni and Phineas (Eli's sons), and Roman Catholics during the era of "antipopes" and so on. Based on the aggregated evidence, I do not believe he wasgiven such an assignment, let alone carried it out, faithfully or not. That he didn't conform to God's minimum requirements for His workers is worth spending a lot of time on-it's cost lives. Lives are also worth spending time on. And do your best to suppress the negatives which are legion.

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You don't recognize a lot of things, Mike, like the question "what's the profit in showing a video of 2 women having sex with a dog?" which, I think, is still an unanswered question around here. If anyone except you were to try to view you as "fair" or "objective", you would have to demonstrate to THEM that you could view things that way, instead of just SAYING you did. (I am of course excepting those who automatically agreed with you, since they never evaluated "fairly", either.) Since Mike is leaving this as a cryptic comment-which is the hallmark of the "style over substance" charlatan crowd, I'll fill in for the late arrivals. The "higher authority" here either refers to: Jesus, who's told him personally, several times, that he's very interested in pfal, and shown himself with the Orange Book in his hand, teaching from it, and told him that he himself appointed vpw his spokesman, or vpw himself, who Mike believes when vpw has told his CHANGING story about a snowstorm, a promise from God in 1942, and how things were done in the 1st century. Figured people would want to know. Everyone except vpw was the villain, according to Mike. vpw was guilty of little things, at worst, but his sins are worth overlooking because of the importance of what he was taught. We have about 4 years of details of what Mike's saying. People have formed opinions within that time-frame. Considering Mike has been swift to rush to challenge personal accounts that vpw raped the poster, his complaint is hypocritical, but that's no surprise to Mike's longtime readers. A "level playing field" would result in Mike being squashed like a bug. Why not make a clear, unambiguous point that can be discussed that ISN'T a personal attack, so we can discuss it like adults? This is Mike's opinion, and he's unaware he's passing judgement in doing this. Depends- does "seeing things better" mean closing my eyes to all the contents of every piece of data contrary to Mike's position? If so, I'd prefer seeing MORE things than less, and let history determine whether that is "better" or "worse". I've never seen LACK of information result in genuine benefit, in and of itself. =================== HCW, congratulations on seeing an attempt to use your posts to say things you weren't, and taking action accordingly.

Thomas beat me to it. The next question, obviously, is "What was 'the joy that was set before him'?" Have that, and you have your answer, as I see it.

That was from ROA '76, Trefor. Here's an exact quote, because I thought that was one of the best teachings I'd ever heard him teach. === He was covering Ephesians 6 and starting in Eph 6:10. As he sometimes did, he deliberately misread the verse aloud so that the audience could catch the difference. vpw: "Finally, my brethren, be strong in VP Wierwille." audience: "No." vpw: "Say it LOUDER!" audience: "NO!" vpw: "That's right. You're not strong in VP Wierwille. Many of you have heard The Word from my ministry, but I didn't die for you." man from offsides: "It was Jesus Christ!" vpw: "You said it man!" ========= Mind you, this should be taken in context of everything else. Personally, I think he alternated between publicly teaching stuff that was right on the money and privately or publicly doing or saying things that were completely off. Humans can be contradictory and hypocritical when they want to be.

I know at ROA '89, right after lcm drew his line in the sand, that donna kept calling him "Our Spiritual Leader" and "Our Spiritual Head" at one of the keynotes, which is on tape.

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George's movie is more than 20 years old. So, that means it's not "To Wong Foo...". *another wild swing* "Big Trouble in Little China"? I think that's about 20 years old. "They call me Bruce?"

"Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" was a movie so bad it was on "Mystery Science Theater 3000." It's notable for references to Casablanca and starring Raul Julia (who probably thought of the movie as a "resume stain".) Pirate was correct on mine. Figured many of you were fond of black-and-whites. :)--> He stopped me just before a few more memorable lines. :)-->

*wild swing* " Overdrawn at the Memory Bank"????