WordWolf

Oh, and the fun's just starting. A) It's about 300 pages, so I'm about 1/2 way thru. Most of the remaining stuff is from vpw's mouth. B) We haven't had fun comparing vpw's accounts of things with Harry's, and we haven't compared them with the other book, AND other things he's said publicly, AND what we know to be true.

This was 5 posts ago.

Brother Speed, we forgive you. It was an honest misunderstanding, from an honest heart. I think each of us has done AT LEAST as bad here at SOME point. I pretty much bit off someone's head in September of 2001. They accepted my honest apology. It was 2 days after 9/11, and I live in NYC. I was under unusual circumstances. Since then, I'm sure I've put my foot in my mouth a number of times-I've certainly had some heated misunderstandings. We're all human here. We all try, we all need forgiveness. Just try not to need it on every post. :D-->

pg-138, Earl gives us some of his story: Here, I take note of 2 things. 1) A coach 'riding' an athlete, and destroying his confidence isn't just bad coaching and distraction, it's a 'confirmation of the law of believing.' 2) Again with the "Dr.". All the answers "he" had from the Word-which, of course, are all the answers BG Leonard and the others had from The Word. Moving on... Charlene shares about her initial teachings and doctrinal exposure to twi-at a Way Home. pg-144. Two more things here. 1) FIRST off, they were taught about comfortable living-by misuse of John 10:10, which does not refer to financial wealth. If it DID, Jesus wouldn't have said it was hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 2) SECOND off, they jumped STRAIGHT into "4 crucified" and the Trinity. For STARTING people. Nothing you'd think was needed to START with like "God loves you" "God heals you", and so on-we jump straight into the "look how smart we are" stuff. page-150, The Teacher prepares to speak. Or, you know, he built anticipation by making the audience wait. Standard speaker's tool number one. Even William Shatner's talked about it. vpw tells a story about 2 men who supposedly lived in Van Wert, who did some remarkable things yet nobody seemed to have ever heard of them, even after the fact. vpw even forgot their names. Anyway, he says these guys just sat in an office together in silence for an hour and MADE something happen by just thinking about it. Here's some highlights. pg-150. pg-151 Ok, so these guys nobody ever heard of just sat in a room concentrating on a business, and out of the blue, a guy calls them up to sell his. They didn't go around and say "If someone's interested in selling, please give them this phone# or anything"- he just dialed the numbers by extra-special perception or something. They were "the two meanest guys you could ever want to meet"-but they spent a FORTUNE setting up a foundation for broken homes and a YMCA-or ALL YMCAs-the story isn't clear and a YWCA-or ALL YWCAs-the story isn't clear AND a hospital. Pretty selfless for really mean guys. Also, they did ALL these things, and nobody could STAND them because they were incredibly jealous of these 2 guys who shared their money with everyone. Apparently, the part that they GOT the money before spending it really chafed. Those Van Wert CHURCH people must be the most SHALLOW people in the country. Also, were they disliked because they were mean, or because they were rich? The reason hops back and forth. pg-152, the moral of this fable is given. Then he gives some general plans for classes and growth and stuff, then, pg-153.

And there was much rejoicing. "Yay!" *pennants wave*

Brother Speed, you missed the point. The one doing the condemning and accusing is MJ, who accused the woman who was abused and had her children abused, and received NO help from the system. She is being accused of doing NOTHING, or not putting forth SUFFICIENT effort, or APPROPRIATE effort to try to end abuse and suffering. Despite EYEWITNESS accounts, MJ has insisted that- despite NOT HAVING BEEN THERE TO SEE HOW THINGS WERE- that those who were participants and witnesses are LIARS- claiming their testimony is false- and FOOLS-claiming they didn't do simple things which were appropriate actions to take. (The truth is that all appropriate actions to take that were possible to take were taken, and anyone who says otherwise spreads VILE LIES about others.) No-MJ is not using the vocabulary common to workers in MJ's professed "field". MJ is also absent of the tact which supposedly is present in workers in this field. In short, MJ doesn't think like a social worker, doesn't act like one, and doesn't talk like one. The natural supposition, then, is that MJ is NOT one. Actually, shame on MJ for accusing posters of lying without having the facts at hand. Shame on MJ for not admitting s/he had no idea what s/he was talking about when s/he was doing so-when more information was presented. When sufficient evidence is at hand, a prudent person changes their opinion to match the evidence. We have no proof MJ has done so. MJ certainly did notdo so HERE, where doing so would have taken little effort. Did MJ do that, or just invoke thesubject of praying for them in a display of conspicuous religion? Jimmy Swaggart cried on tv when he was "repenting" of his sins, but few people thought that was true repentance-just the appearance of same. First of all, we have no proof MJ isn't lying from Day One. Second, nobody said ALL social workers are a disgrace-they said the ones who ruined TL's life and did nothing were a disgrace-and MJ attacked TL for needing help. If that's really MJ's job. If THIS is the way s/he behaves here, I'm dubious s/he is making the world a better place ELSEWHERE. If that's meant in sincerity, yes, I agree. If it's meant in sarcasm, it's woefully misplaced, Brother.

We finally meet vpw on pg 124, and Mrs W on pg 125. The contrast between them, as well as the spin on vpw's appearance, are fascinating. I feel it's not complete without something like "and when he stepped forward, the sun shone directly on him, even at night." Mrs W. Hm. When she walks, she walks on the ground.

Rhoda weighs in. pg-88, she says she studied music in Moody Bible Institute, graduating in 1946. She grew up in a Mennonite church, but were excommunicated for violating church policy. Her father had been involved with a Bible College, and she had been on the radio-which was forbidden at the time. Harsh stuff. I wish I could confirm this story. Anyway, it turned her off churches. When she shopped her resume around, she got a letter from VP saying he needed a musician with secretarial skills. She signed on as his secretary September 28, 1947. Chimes Hour Youth Caravan was the name of vpw's radio show. It had TWO choirs. pg-90. pg-91.

Uncle Harry, giving more history. pg-79-80. You were close, but there was NO indication he was searching out deeper truths and, especially, overjoyed at finding some. What he taught then was completely different than what he taught later Fascinating. Harry seems to keep track of the money on things. He says he paid Rhoda as secretary out of his OWN pocket, and criticizes the people in Troy because they wanted to hear vpw teach, and have him over for meals, but not support his ministry financially. His part of this book ends with the final quote Dave gives a partial history of the A/V aspects. pg-82 I noticed that EVERYBODY except his brother calls him "The Doctor", not VP. If it wasn't at his directive, instituted and encouraged by him, I'll eat my keyboard. I also noticed he was calling HIMSELF 'The Teacher' as early as 1963. And yet, Dave keeps mentioning numbers after this, which he must have 'looked at'. Dave seems to think he came up with the idea of vpw on film, and sold vpw on it. Perhaps he is correct. pg-83 pg 85, he says how they priced the filming, then raised all the money IN ADVANCE of filming, and how "Doctor raised the final $11,000 himself." (He must have raised it by growing it, apparently.) page 85, we see the prices invented. We have all that on the authority of the man who never looked at numbers again. How many people besides me see contradictions from one page to the next, and in how such a high (for 1970) price for those LITTLE books was set?

"Uncle" Harry gave some interesting biographical details that help fill in some of the blanks, especially about the youngest son in the family, vp. page 77 Really, Harry? You admitted you didn't SEE him most of the time. Why wasn't he doing his chores in sight and preaching to the animals on the farm, or, you know, the other kids, people who might actually hear something of use? Maybe Dad was on to something. David was a good shepherd FIRST, then a good man of God.... Later, we'll see what vpw has to say about kids and their work ethic. pg-78, Harry again. I thought he'd been preaching for years, Harry-to the trees. Also, Lamarckianism has been thoroughly discredited. You can not inherit an interest in learning. You can ENCOURAGE it, but not pass it along from birth. Finally, Dad seems to think vpw lacked drive, but you said he DID, at least about preaching. Hm. Maybe he had drive for preaching, but neglected his chores. Harry spoke about their father's will. pg-79.

Page 37, a guy tells a story about himself in the military. Quite a coincidence. pages 43-44, we get a description of the Way Corps. page 59, someone speaks about the winter of 1967. One guy from the Print Shop offered this on page-62.

We hear denominations described on page 30. Same discussion, page-33. page 34, same discussion, has something I especially thought was worth noting.

"TW:LiL" gives an interesting quote on page 14 about some WOWs. WOWs assigned to headquarters was not common when I was around. Anyway, on to the next quote. page 29, we get our first description of "the class".

I finally got curious enough to dust off my copy of "the Way: Living in Love" by Whiteside and read it thru. There's some interesting stuff in there. I find that many warning signs are telegraphed there and so on. ======== For those of you who've never heard of it, it's a book published in 1972. It was written BY a twi insider about twi and life as an insider, at the beginning of the 1970s, and published by twi. As such, any reasonable person would consider it a lengthy commercial. No dissent from twi would have been PERMITTED to have been published, and no dissent would have been CONSIDERED by an innie. The perspective of the writer reflects the thinking of insiders at the time-not a fair and objective reporting of the facts. It includes many quotes from people-especially vpw. For all intents and purposes, it should be evident that the quotes from him IN the book are officially endorsed BY him as accurate. I'd like to post some of the quotes, and discuss where they relate to each other, the facts as currently known, and other comments made by vpw. ============== Please feel free to post quotes directly FROM vpw from other sources, as well as quotes from the Mrs W book.

I always heard it as "take that girl", too. In fact, the first time I looked it up, I was surprised the line wasn't "Do I take that girl?" Strange dream indeed..... ====== Ok, next song. Remember, the TITLE and the artist, not just the artist. The younger folks should have an edge on this one... "But there are several other very important differences between human beings and animals that you should know about. I'd appreciate your input." "Yes I'm Siskel, yes I'm Ebert and you're getting two thumbs up."

I USED to say "I was glad I got in, and glad I got out." However, I've seen what damage was wrought by them in God's name. I've seen the complete twisting of people's minds to the point that they're 180-degrees removed from Godly action, and claim they're doing the right thing. In short, the shrill screaming of "how dare you complain it was less than perfect" has convinced me that there was a lot MORE damage-much of it psychological and PERMANENT-than I previously thought.

The second one was popular enough-I was listening to it on the radio approximately 24 hours ago.... Apparently, there's been some covers of this song (Michael Hutchence of INXS in "Barb Wire"????) and some disagreement over some of the lyrics (like the muttered side-comments) and whether it's "take that pearl" or "dig that girl" or something else. But everyone seems to agree that this song isn't called "Hall of the Mountain King", it's "Spill the Wine", and the version I heard was either by "War", or Eric Burdon of "the Animals" fame. Me, I STILL can't make out all the lyrics, and I tried again yesterday. :)-->

Allan, was it your intention to unite all the posters by having them all agree that you're an idiot? You're looking like the kind of guy who gets hate-mail from the Amish.

Characteristic, Allan. I can't tell if this post was mostly offensive, mostly careless or mostly ignorant. Probably all of the above. In Proverbs, it says that even a fool appears wise when he shuts up. You might consider appearing wise for a few days. You probably WON'T, but you might consider it.

Correct, of course. As you may have noticed, I deliberately picked lines NOT from the book. The first one was from the character nicknamed "Bem" by some fans ("Black Enigmatic Man"). He just showed up out of nowhere and got a bunch of lines. One joke was that Bem was the HBP and wouldn't WE all be surprised? So, your turn.

Yes, and we STILL don't know where it is now. "You'll pay for this! You and your bloody chicken!"

"WordWolf" came back 50/50, which, I think, won't surprise some of the people around here.

New movie, then.... "It's like trying to catch smoke. It's like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands."

Oh, right. We spent a week on this. It's UHF.

Well, that THEY'RE teaching it IS new to you and me, but for all I know, they may have been teaching it for years.