WordWolf

In principle, I agree with you 100% on this one, Sudo. In this specific instance, the "out" is that this is taking off from Superman 2, where the setup for this was part of the script, back in the 70s when it aired. So, this isn't exactly out-of-the-blue, 'just from this year' stuff.

Ex10, Feel free to enlighten us with your FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE anytime. Others have done so. I just reviewed the thread. In the past 12 pages, you refused to share your experiences and answer questions that were raised. Hey, totally free to do so. If you feel you'd cross a personal boundary in even the most vague descriptions of events, that's your decision. I draw lines here on what I will share as well. HOWEVER, having decided where to draw the line, doesn't it strike you as a little unfair to expect people to automatically presume that all the stuff you chose NOT to share should cause them to agree with you? "I was there. I refuse to say what happened, but it was positive and you're wrong to criticize it" doesn't fly in most discussions on most subjects. I'm sure you can see why. I for one have no problem evaluating testimony or information trying to shed a positive light on Momentus. However, I can't do that if no one's presenting any. And no, I'm not getting ready to beat on people with positive stories. (Although some people's approach, as in "This is why it's good, and everyone who disagrees is possessed!" would beg for dissent if it was used. That's different. That's objecting to the approach.)

And if Mussolini succeeded in getting the trains to run on time, people STILL would have complained about the lies, deceptions, and autocratic control over their lives.

If he was ORIGINALLY from the Charlton "Earth 4" stable, they fitted him into the Earth-S stuff. This was probably (if they did) done because it made sense to them to mix him in with the Marvel Family. After all, the wizard Shazam's base was the Rock of Eternity. The one time I saw him before CoIE, the first words out of his mouth were "Why not? After all, I live on the same block as the elders!" The "elders" being the mystic sextet that gave Marvel his powers- Solomon (wisdom), Hercules (strength), Atlas (stamina), Zeus (power), Achilles ("courage"-or invulnerability if you ask the fans), Mercury (speed). So they wrote him and Mr Keeper into that setting. I don't know why I wrote it otherwise-must have been carelessness.The old school, JSA "Golden Agers" retired in the 50s supposedly due to the actions of the House Unamerican Activities Committee. The FANS filmed one. It's online. I haven't seen it, but I have seen "Batman:Dead End", when he faced a truly unique foe.

In case anyone's unclear, Pirate had the last correct answer, and has posted a quote. So, it is Pirate's turn right now.

Hm. Thought it was Creedence Clearwater's Revival "Down On the Corner", but no dice.

Both. Since some posters seem to be of the conviction that the official releases are ALWAYS to be trusted, I wanted to hear what others had to say on the subject.

Some of you seem to be suggesting the board possibly lied to people in twi, or taught things one way (virtuous), then acted another and made THAT their policy (carnal). Do you guys actually think that?

No-selective memory on Oldies' part. They said this, but Oldies' defense is that it was illogical for them to do so. Oldies keeps assuming that whenever twi contradicted twi, the part he doesn't want to believe never was said, or never happened. That's technically true according to the pfal class.And it's also technically true that lcm claimed his reasons for demanding unwavering loyalty were exclusively for spiritually-sound reasons. And it's also technically true that an official twi spokesman claimed that twi keeps their thralls informed on everything. It's true they SAID these things. And once they said them, they gave them all the attention a dog gives to a fireplug. So, once twi finished saying that, they then proceeded to go thru what still remains TO THIS DAY their policy- that non-twi Christians-even the ones who left and teach most of the same things- do not have The Truth because what they teach is not ALL 100% Truth, which only twi has and even 99.44% Truth is not good enough, and shame on you for even thinking so. You may misread and misinterpret that all you want. However, the eyewitness report of how things are proceeding now contradicts how you WISH to interpret things. Penguin said "As long as twi still teaches that they are the only true household of God, they continue the lie that they are the only ones with the truth. I have many friends who will not leave twi even though they are miserable because they think twi is only place with the truth." Of course, we're supposed to discard Penguin's eyewitness account for the opinion of Oldiesman who hasn't attended a meeting in a decade because Oldiesman wants to believe he's correct. We're also supposed to discard the fact that the two statements- Shaz and WordWolf's statements- don't contradict each other unless one is busy trying to whitewash twi and excuse them from puffing up themselves and slamming other Christians.

In case anyone here is as deficient as Oldies in reading comprehension, I'll recap a few of the last few posts. (Those with short memories may appreciate this as well.) ======================= Shazdancer said QUOTE(shazdancer @ Jul 6 2006, 08:07 PM) * "Oldies, We're not saying Wierwille thought we were the only ones with any of the truth, we're saying that Wierwille declared TWI to be the MOST accurate." Oldies replied "Shaz, that's not what Wordwolf said." WordWolf's actual answer-which was a reporting of twi's opinion-not his own- was "The TWI answer, ALWAYS and still to this day, is that different groups have SOME of the truth, but fail in OTHERS. So, twi spin is STILL "nobody else has ENOUGH of the truth to effectively have "Truth." Oldies apparently missed where my answer and Shaz's answer aligned. That my answer was factually correct was borne out by Penguin, who addressed the current teachings as follows: "As long as twi still teaches that they are the only true household of God, they continue the lie that they are the only ones with the truth. I have many friends who will not leave twi even though they are miserable because they think twi is only place with the truth." It can seem baffling that Oldies seems to be dedicated to denying this was EVER taught, but Physicists are used to observing things that seem to make no sense to them, and I expect we can adjust our expectations accordingly.

Hello, Twinky. You might have missed this post...

Hello. My general advice to new arrivals is here: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=7913 As for specific advice, for now, I'd just recommend reading and thinking. HASTY judgements lead to mistakes that can be avoided. As to glorifying God, God knows the difference between doing your best when better can be done, and deliberately doing wrong things with a disguise of rightness. So, don't sweat anything you've done so far. Just consider God's love, mercy and compassion from here on. As someone said once, 'In the end, only kindness matters.' That's not everything, but it matters a LOT more than the correct usage of any Greek word I've ever studied. Learn more, and carefully decide what to do later.

Correct! Neil Diamond song (did he ever perform it or just write it?) performed (covered?) by the Monkees, and again by Smash Mouth for Shrek's soundtrack. They did 2 versions of the video- one with the Monkees style with a campy chase scene, the other with characters from Shrek in it. Hm. This new one, I think we may have done this one in the last few months.

The TWI answer, ALWAYS and still to this day, is that different groups have SOME of the truth, but fail in OTHERS. They have a little truth-but IF ONLY they didn't have that error that invalidated their teachings! No trinitarian has a brain in their skull! Non-trinitarians are few and are idolators of different types. So, twi spin is STILL "nobody else has ENOUGH of the truth to effectively have "Truth." You have eyewitnesses, but some of us don't count eyewitness testimony....

Fine, I'll put Chas out of her misery. This is "NO MYTH" by Michael Penn. You know his brother, Sean Penn. I really liked this song when it came out, too. I've got the cassingle somewhere. And considered putting it up on this thread. :) ========== Here's a different song. "When I needed sunshine, I got rain"

I think all 3 options were at least partially true, all at the same time. Remember, when he was dying, he wondered aloud what he had done that his believing wasn't saving his life. I think he had convinced himself it should have AND that he'd never sinned.

It was true before, AND it's true NOW. Take a look at what little you can access from current members on their twi-only forums. They STILL teach they are the ONLY ones with the truth, and if people leave twi, they leave the truth. I'm unsure how many of them still say what some leaders said back in the 90s to people leaving, about horrible accidents befalling family members of people who leave, and asking them which family members they want to be the next to die. So, they were the sole carriers of The Truth, still are, and leaving was (and may still be) punished by injuries and/or death. We have audiofiles if you've conveniently forgotten this one. Didn't get caught, he didn't plagiarize it.Old policy in wayworld- you didn't see it, it didn't happen. (Some posters STILL say this.) EVERYBODY could recite the 1942 Promise- that vpw was told supposedly by God Almighty. However, two sentences buried in the middle of a book that SOME of the twi people owned and fewer READ is hardly the equal to this. The actual books he plagiarized claim-his own words- that he threw out all the works of others. This was a total lie, since the entire contents WERE from others. We discussed this, and exact quotes were provided. I suppose when he says something that doesn't fit with your theories it means nothing to you. Just ignore the parts that don't fit. Even if it's in the introduction to the Orange Book or the White Book. Nice try snowing the new arrivals, though. They missed previous discussions and entire threads like this: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ources&st=0 "vpw on the sources of his books."

I've never, not once, come across an ad where Mc Donalds claimed the ONLY place to get a hamburger, nor that they claimed to have invented them, or are the only place to make them since they were invented centuries ago in Hamburg. TWI STILL teaches they are the ONLY ones with the truth, and vpw quite boldly declared that the material he took from other Christians-Leonard, Bullinger, Stiles, Kenyon- and assembled into a class without adding to it- was the sole source of information, given by God Himself, and not taught since the first century Christians. Forget already? He claimed God told him that He would teach vpw God's Word like it hadn't been taught since the First Century, if vpw would teach it to others. He compiled the material in 1953 and years following, and began making the claim in the early 1970s.

A brief look at vpw and I Timothy 3:2ff. "The overseer must be above reproach". As has been pointed out, this means that-although people can make an accusation- the accusations must not be TRUE. vpw committed many criminal acts during "his ministry", and many acts not criminal but blatantly unChristian, and covered his tracks on both. (Unless you count "misuse of authority and neglect of fiduciary responsibility", which I believe are covered in the criminal laws/courts of the US.) To this day, many accusations on vpw have been exposed, and have been true. (Eyewitnesses and victims have come forward independently of each other.) "the husband of one wife". How much of a "husband" was he to her? Given his repeated rapes, druggings then rapes, and molestations of carefully-chosen, trusting females over the years, I'd call his responsibilities as a husband a failure- and that's only addressing one level of it. "temperate" Don't make me laugh. The man could go into a screaming fit whenever things weren't EXACTLY the way he wanted them. He threw people out of the corps for not taking notes when he was talking. lcm documented plenty of examples of what vpw was like when the cameras were NOT rolling in his book "vp and me." "self-controlled" Skipping his violent tirades, he chain-smoked and was an alcoholic as long as people knew him-and he had access to excellent healthcare, and still DIED as a result of addictions to alcohol and tobacco. Meanwhile- he told the corps not to smoke or drink at various times. "respectable, hospitable" Need I flog the dead horse any further? "able to teach" Ok. He could teach. Bravo. That's one quality where he's finally the equal of my kindergarten teacher- who WAS temperate and self-controlled. "not given to drunkenness" vpw was either OFTEN smashed or USUALLY smashed. Some people have commented on meeting him when he had killer alcohol breath. Others on being told to by SEVERAL bottles of Drambuie when told he was coming for a SHORT visit. (We all know it was Drambuie. Amazing how often this came up.) The man drank more in most WEEKS than I drink in a YEAR. He always had mints handy when he was teaching, and setup crews had directions on their setup. They cover alcoholic breath nicely, sometimes. He often sat a "coffee" cup next to him when on the pulpit. I wonder what the percentages were of coffee in that cup- setup crews knew it wasn't 100%.... Some of his behaviour has been "excused" on the basis of his being a compulsive drunk at the time- as if being a drunk alcoholic raving about was ok for a Christian leader. "not violent but gentle" I refer you back to the screaming tirades staff and corps got to see, on little or no pretext. "not quarrelsome" I'm skipping the dead horse again-but posters here have given examples when vpw had to be stopped from throwing the first punch in a FISTFIGHT when meeting Christian nonmember relatives of twi members. "not a lover of money". Need I address this one at all? Ask me and I will, but I think EVERYBODY here's seen enough diatribes on the subject.

They could "strain a gnat and swallow a camel" better than just about ANYBODY... Maybe THAT's the one thing that was hidden for 20 centuries before vpw revived it.

Hiway29 on why nametags became holy badges in twi... "No matter how much you were TOLD you were 'more than a conqueror' in twig, the REALITY was intense judgement and pressure to do more for God, and to have EVERY IMPERFECTION pointed out as if you were an AFFRONT to God and the Ministry."

Sorry. You need to read up. You do not know where most of the credit is due. I shall clarify. Incorrect.Leonard knew it FIRST. And taught it FIRST. And taught it to vpw. And 3 months later, vpw began "his" new class, which was 100% Leonard's class. vpw called Leonard's class with vpw's name "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." (Later iterations of it added Stiles and Bullinger to Leonard's class with vpw's name on it.) "vpw"s class had a textbook called "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." It was Stiles' book with vpw's name on it. (Later iterations of it added Bullinger to Stiles' book with vpw's name on it.) The first version of both was 1953. Incorrect. Leonard taught it all first, as did Stiles. vpw added Bullinger to Leonard's class and Stiles' book. A handful of verses, hardly revolutionary. We owe more to Kenyon's stuff which vpwtaught minus Kenyon's name than we do to Lamsa- entire chapters of the "Studies In Abundant Living" came straight from Kenyon. But he did get "I don't have to back up my teachings" and "I have a special connection to God" from Lamsa. Correct on figures of speech, number in scripture, basic keys to understanding the Bible, and witness of the stars ALL being STRAIGHT out of Bullinger. If you take Leonard's class, Stiles' book, and add Bullinger's books on the Holy Spirit to Stiles' book, and Bullinger's book "How to Enjoy the Bible" to Leonard's class, you get the pfal class, minus a few minor tweaks from books to class or class to books, and minus the Kenyon additions to the Studies in Abundant Living. The Red Thread is an Oral Roberts thing, IIRC. vpw didn't add the practical to Bullinger. vpw started with Leonard's class-which is MORE practical than vpw's class even to this very day. vpw took Leonard's class and added Bullinger TO that class. Here, it's only because vpw and other HID what is plain-and we want it plain again. We actually agree on that-and how the important stuff on God is NOT esoteric and hidden.

I came across a post a while back where someone said the "historian" had a lot of trouble doing a tour of the "historical center" after doing some digging. The implication was that she put all the pieces together about this. No idea who the historian was.

Correct! The most recent cover of this song was by Smash Mouth. It appeared on "Astro Lounge" along with "All-Star" (off of "Mystery Men") and was itself off of the movie "Can't Hardly Wait". It's easier to remember when you see Jennifer Love Hewitt clowning around in the video. The original release of the song was in the late 60s by Question Mark and the Mysterians. Their hit "96 Tears" had just put them in the spotlight, and their very trademark keyboard-work makes it easy to recognize the artist for one based on the riffs of the other. Do you know the record company tried to convince this artist to change the title to "Romeo in Black Jeans?" I can't figure out the reason- it's a knot I have yet to untie. But I'll let someone else take first crack at the song.

First of all, as of 1986, there IS no Earth-S. Everything's on a unified earth. Second, I was introduced to Kid Eternity and Mr Keeper back when there was the Shazam! tv show, and the comic started touring in a winnebago to match it. Whatever his history was BEFORE that, I wasn't there. Third, last I personally saw him, Mordru had punched his ticket and I figured we'd never see him again. Fourth, last I heard, he's just been moved to VERTIGO, which is the one independent line of hard-to-explain comics and stuff like that. I forget if he was just "traded" back for Boston Brand-"Deadman"- or if that was someone else.