WordWolf

Those of you who are still in, you are STILL being monitored by the twi Thought Police....

Well, I think this is really 2 questions. A) Can a spirit (angel or God) feel emotions? B) Does God feel emotions? As to the first, I'd say it's clear a spirit CAN feel emotions. That's why satan rebelled in the first place-he felt the sin of PRIDE. Ezekiel 28:16-17. (NKJV) "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones. 17 “ Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, That they might gaze at you." That means that spirits can either feel all sorts of emotions, or only pride (or only negative emotions like pride.) I reject the second possibility as ridiculous, pending a specific case for it. I'd say angels of every type can feel all sorts of emotions. ======= B) I'd say God feels DIFFERENTLY than we do, but He feels emotions nevertheless. I have great difficulty imagining a God that would go through lengthy plans for the salvation of so many even to this day, who feels no emotions about them whatsoever. Ephesians 2:4-5 (NKJV) "But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)," I John 4:7-11. "7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another." I John 4:16. "16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." Seems pretty clear to me. And if someone has some intellectual or linguistic contortion that robs those verses of their plain meanings, that's their business. Me, I think this is remarkably simple- unless you've been taught wrong in the past and are trying to overcome wrong teaching, practical error and doctrinal error. Then it can be VERY difficult. That's how I see it, anyway.

Someone told me that one story going around is that craig was innocent- despite his admissions in direct testimony of wrongdoing in court. I imagine they're saying craig's innocent, and so's Rosa-lie....

That's the "SULTANS OF SWING", by Dire Straits. Not many posters here are familiar with them, I think.

By typing and hitting the "post" button. Bramble seems to have figured it out without difficulty. Pretty much everything I posted came from one thread or another from the GSC, and can be found here. And was said by other people, not me. And a large part of my initial post was questions. And the "undocumented" part was "the way tree", which I thought was common knowledge. Where did I get contentious, and where did my attitude come in? (Before this question, I mean.)

This is a thread about ordination...

He can and He did. In this case, He Himself chose as the instrument of His preservation, "those evil catholics." Common people not reading it is NOT how I would have handled it if asked. Why God Almighty elected to preserve it in this fashion-they're the ones that Martin Luther's texts ultimately came from- is not known to me. However, I would not seek to lecture Him on ways and means. Perhaps you should address Him directly on this one.

3) Believers with famous names/name recognition like football players, judges, etc. They were given awards they never earned (Tony Collins got a wow pin) or got recognition otherwise (like the judge whom even vpw didnt think was right for taking the stage- but ok'd him because he was famous.) As someone pointed out, they were trotted out as if they were "pfal success stories", despite them achieving their accomplishments BEFORE pfal.

[WordWolf in boldface again.] IIRC, the five "gift ministries" were not required for ordination, and helps and governments WERE included. That's fine since they're in the Epistles as well. However, one always heard about "the five gift ministries" like they were the upper tier of ordination, and the others were the lower tier. And forget ever getting a straight answer on who has what.

BTW, those 5 "gift ministries" were mentioned in the abstract, and there were "reverends" ("ministers") in twi, but it was nearly impossible to ever pin anyone down on exactly WHO was WHAT. Nobody ever seemed to have a SPECIFIC "ministry", and specific questions were met with a song-and-dance that answered NOTHING. The exception, of course, being vpw. He called HIMSELF "THE Teacher." And had other people do it. (It was right in Session 12 of the tapes.) This suggested he had that "gift ministry." And he made up the definition of an apostle as "one who brings new light to his generation. It may be old light, but to the generation he brings it to-it is new." at the same time he asserted that God told him He would teach vpw like people hadn't been taught for 20 centuries if vpw would teach others. Does that or does that NOT look like he's written the definition to match his claims of himself? And he spoke for God to these people, and defined that a prophet is "one who speaks for God", and even predicted all sorts of disasters and troubles in the news- which he got from the John Birch Society and Liberty Lobby. Isnt the prediction thing the classic definition of "prophet"? And evangelist wasn't someone who actually evangelizes- he's someone who gets the other Christians fired up enough about evangelizing that they go out and do it. Convenient how this allows him to stay home, not have to travel on "crusades" like Billy Graham, and yet coincidentally match his own definition. And he made lots of little speeches about how much he cared for "his people" and watched out for them- and arranged little demonstrations and displays of same- and in private screamed at them when things were imperfect, and raped the women. Meanwhile the shepherd gives his life for the sheep, and the word for "pastor" comes from the word for "shepherd." It's almost like vpw was embarassed by Christ's example of same, and avoided the Gospels for that reason. So, depending on how clever vpw was that week, he left people thinking that he was a minister with all 5 "gift ministries", like that made him five times the minister everyone else was.

While I'm on the subject, let's have a moment to discuss the stratified society that was/is twi, and the pecking order, and who salutes who. We had the spiritual empties-those who never took the class, or weren't born again, depending on who was teaching that night and in what year. We had people in twi but hadn't taken the foundational (pfal) class. We had people who took the foundational, but not the intermediate. We had people who took the foundational and intermediate, but not the advanced class. See, here's where my own chart breaks down. There were wows and advanced-class grads. There were coordinators of various types. There was the college division. Ok, to the twig coordinator saluted to the branch coordinator, who saluted the territory coordinator, who saluted the limb coordinator, who saluted the regional coordinator, who saluted the trunk coordinator, who saluted the bod. THAT part's easy to see. But where did the other positions-like worldwide outreach-fit in? Where did those other positions fit? What about the reverends? Recognized corp? wows that went twice? And other stuff I've never heard of?

Here's what twi used. Ephesians 4:10-12. " 10He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;" And in some twi doctrine (pfal proper), all Christians had "Christ in them" and were fantastic. HOWEVER, AFTER that, then you get into the hierarchy, and the gift ministries mentioned there- Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers- were part of the hierarchy.

Sharon answered mine- "Blitzkrieg Bop." (By the Ramones and covered since then.) Ca Dreaming may have answered hers correctly.

No, I just named your song, and posted another (hetero).

Next song. "They're forming in a straight line They're going through a tight wind The kids are losing their minds"

I'm not sure, but I think the answer to both is the same. PDF stands for "Portable Document Format." It squeezes down document files into a smaller format, a bit. Apparently, some people consider PDFs as superior for posting a document rather than as a .doc or whatever. Further, since people can make .docs look pretty, but they take up a lot of resources compared to a .txt file of identical content, trimming down their requirements is a handy thing. Then pdf readers like Adobe Acrobat can be used to read them, and blow up the page, or whatever. That's as best I can figure it.

Ok, this one's Don Henley's "Heart of the Matter". I forget whether that or "End of the Innocence" is the title-song for the album. But "End of the Innocence" is a LOT better-known.

Young Frankenstein Gene Hackman the Quick and the Dead

Just to make it official, CORRECT. It's got a lot of clever little lines.

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Yes, it was me. Raf misplaced his copy and forgot the name, and asked for one. I recommended this one, and he said it was the one he had been using previously. I've been resisting the urge to bring that up on this thread, so thanks for putting me out of my misery. :)

Scholar: one who has completed a properly-accredited set of coursework with the accompanying degrees. Non-Scholar: one who has not. It's like the difference between a surgeon and a nut with a set of surgical tools. Would you let someone perform major surgery (or minor surgery, for that matter) on you without knowing their qualifications? Would you trust your lawsuit or defense to a guy who does not have a legal degree in plain sight in his office? Entirely different question between "devilishly-influenced" and "eyes of understanding enlightened." That's a subject for Doctrinal. Since this is "about the way" and not "about the RCC" or "about the LDS",we could ask either in the Doctrinal forum at most, but neither is "about the way." Oversimplifying truth is how people get fooled. The Devil quoted Scripture to Jesus. Can't get more "True" than Scripture. Was what the Devil said, then, truth? If you want to get into this, again, Doctrinal. It still blows my mind that some people seek to excuse the capital offenses committed by-and advocated by- vpw, but can strain at a gnat as to how many people were crucified when Jesus was. The only cross that mattered on that hill was the one Jesus was on. Some of the posts certainly are. However, the staff won't stop you from posting no matter how much your posts exemplify it. They're made of finer clay.

I thought it was worth bringing up again. Some people keep forgetting how vpw was always friends with "the greatest" everythings in the world and so on. So, worth looking at, at the very least, I thought. (Perhaps you disagree. Perhaps you're right.)

Recollections from 1981-1984, anyone?

What was vpw's idea of a great Christian layman? Would you believe Howard Allen?