WordWolf

Well, the people DO bear SOME responsibility. They went from ONE group that set themselves up as Lords Over God's Heritage, and ignored the warnings from those who said it would happen again sooner or later (like rascal and WordWolf), and got involved with a group of ex-LOGH types who started out supposedly open and honest in all dealings, and slowly, slowly set themselves up as messenger/leaders whose "suggestions" are tantamount to commands, whom disagreeing with is disagreeing with GOD ALMIGHTY, and eventually moved to pushing programs that misuse and mistreat people, and then make it policy that those at the top can slander anyone so long as it's called "prophecy", (plus whatever happens I don't know about). thus resulting in misusing and mistreating many people as a POLICY (while treating SOME nice, which helps obfuscate the mistreatments with counter-examples), and becoming OBVIOUSLY UNFIT LEADERS. The rank-and-file chose to be gullible after being warned the first time. The rank-and-file chose to suppose their "leaders" could be trusted. The rank-and-file chose to trust those in power. The rank-and-file, therefore, are partly to blame, in that they've acted partly as ENABLERS. If the rank-and-file had risen up to condemn Momentus, it would have been stopped (instead of just being recommended quietly). If the rank-and-file had risen up to condemn this "spiders-up-the-nose" so-called prophecying, these messages supposedly from God but appear to be from elsewhere, it would have been stopped. Instead, the rank-and-file have given over trust and power to those clearly unworthy of either. Therefore, it is up to the rank-and-file to WAKE UP, and REQUIRE ACCOUNTABILITY of those who have already demonstrated gross incompetence, and deny money, endorsement and support until accountability has been enacted, and to leave and find some other worthy endeavour if that is not enacted.

Seems pretty basic to me. And so many people seem quick to change the subject when this comes up, apparently to excuse an absence of humility to people claiming to represent God. Ok, he's swift to slap categorical labels on those of us who disagree with him, swift to accept KAG's a prophetess and endorse her pronouncements CATEGORICALLY, and slow to read anything that disagrees with any of his positions, regardless of which position it is. And people are still paying him to do this. Amazing. I'd ask "how do I get a piece of this easy money?" but my conscience won't even let me say it as a joke. I don't know how his allows him to actually DO it. Unless it's dulled down, asleep at the switch, too jaded to register real issues.

Hey, if what's best for you is moving on, then hey, move on and I'm happy for you! If it's not, then we'll see you soon. ;) Either way, you do what works for you.

Ok, without me influencing the discussion, what do you think is the deal with the scar? JKR said the lightning bolt was because that looks cool, and that the shape was not the most important thing about it. So, what's the deal with the scar itself?

Maybe if you included "How did you get beer?" "I got beer." someone might remember.

That's why I included a bunch of links for those who wanted to look over some documentation. I wouldn't have included the wiki information if I didn't own a FEW books that made the same points.

"Before I forget, here's the immunological data you asked for." "How sweet of you to put this together for me so quickly... I think I'll go look it over right now." "Wasn't she the valedictorian?" "That's right..." "And you were... salutatorian?" "Second in my class..." "If I hadn't mistaken a pre-ganglionic fiber --" "For a post-ganglionic nerve, I know." "I would've been valedictorian." "Oh, well..." "With all due respect, Major... you're beginning to sound like a Romulan." "A Romulan?" "There's no piece of technology in existence that they don't claim they invented before everyone else..." "I'm expecting a lumber shipment from Bajor this afternoon." "Okay... " "Which reminds me... I'll also need a saber saw." "A saber saw? " "You know... to cut wood." "Why not use a laser cutter? " "A computer model could do that... why go to all the trouble?" "Why? Because it'll be fun!" "Listen..." "I don't hear anything..." "Exactly... not even the hum of an engine... It's almost like being on the deck of an old sailing ship... except the stars aren't just up in the sky, they're all around us..." "Bring me my bow, of burn - ing gold... Bring me my ar - rows of de - sire... Bring me my spear! O clouds ? un-fold... Bring me my cha - ri-ots of fire! I will not cease, from men-tal fight... Nor shall my sword sleep in hand... Till we have built, Je-ru - sa - lem... In Eng-land's green and plea-sant land..." "That was beautiful, Chief... just beautiful. You know what we should do... ?" "What?" "Go to Quark's... and sing it for everyone there... " "Maybe we should switch to synthale... " Trivia note: Colm Meaney ("Chief Miles O'Brien") suggested this song after the producers were unable to get the rights to "Louie, Louie", "Rocket Man" or "Space Oddity".

I can recall it, and have the search skills. I believe what you're looking for has been posted in this post linked here... http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=202209 Do not consider this an endorsement of sadomasochistic equine necrophilic obsessions. I do not wish to flog this dead horse any further. (Nor is this a statement that someone gets a free pass if they try. They will not.)

"Before I forget, here's the immunological data you asked for." "How sweet of you to put this together for me so quickly... I think I'll go look it over right now." "Wasn't she the valedictorian?" "That's right..." "And you were... salutatorian?" "Second in my class..." "If I hadn't mistaken a pre-ganglionic fiber --" "For a post-ganglionic nerve, I know." "I would've been valedictorian." "Oh, well..." "With all due respect, Major... you're beginning to sound like a Romulan." "A Romulan?" "There's no piece of technology in existence that they don't claim they invented before everyone else..." "Listen..." "I don't hear anything..." "Exactly... not even the hum of an engine..."

I'll suppose I was correct, since there was no response. So, next episode.... "Before I forget, here's the immunological data you asked for." "How sweet of you to put this together for me so quickly... I think I'll go look it over right now."

"Mr. President, my son is being held captive in Iraq, and I need you to save him. Now I've given money to the republicans for years, and never asked for anything in return." "You asked to be Secretary of Balloon-Doggies." "I didn't ASK to be Secretary of Balloon-Doggies, the balloon-doggies DEMANDED it!" That was from the episode where the critic was missing in the Middle East. I loved it because the cab-driver spoke plain English- because he was in the cab-driver exchange program. That program ensures no cab-driver speaks the native language of the country he's driving in. "Whenever he sings to me, I melt like butter on a bagel. God, I've been in New York too long." Alice, on her philandering, cheating ex, who was a good singer. " God love her, Mom, I couldn't change her mind. You should be proud she has your will." "She may have my will, but she doesn't have my gun! " Jay Sherman's sister was refusing a debutante "coming-out." Mom finally threatened to shoot her horse if she said 'no.' "...Tim Allen gives that same likeable performance we've always love. Once again proving Disney Pictures have the magical touch that may not win awards but keep America smiling. How's that?" "You're Satan aren't you?" "You've won another round Siskel. But we shall meet again!" That was really memorable. Siskel and Ebert got in an argument and temporarily split up, and were both looking for new partners. Siskel was interviewing one perfectly normal-looking applicant, who was just a bit too antiseptic. Siskel casually rattled off the ID. "You're Satan, aren't you?" And the applicant burst into flames-he really WAS Satan. And left. Go, Raf.

Correct!

[Me, I'd say that the doctors who spent a bunch of years in school to learn about the body, then specialized in trauma and recovery, then spent years putting that training into practice, and having late 20th-century diagnostic tools at their fingertips, and using that skill and those resources to diagnose and triage the injured man, I'd say THEY could say. Some people have suffered severe trauma and blood loss, and doctors have been able to preserve their lives and eventually they make a full, if slow, recovery. That certainly doesn't happen as the result of dismissing some of the more effective methods of preserving life. When a professional speaks on his profession, I tend to think he knows what he's talking about.] [To use your own question, who's to say a transfusion would have beenunable to save him? The answer, as I've said, is "the doctors". However, they did NOT just say "well, a transfusion would have made no difference here", and I know that because you would have trumpeted that to the sky.] [Thousands of people each year die from being hit by cars. Do we ban cars? No, we just try to make them SAFER. On the other hand, millions of people's lives have been saved solely due to blood transfusions. Did they thwart God's will by surviving? All of life involves risk. The smart person does what they can to minimize risk, and maximize benefits. So, faced with dying if one does not get a transfusion, and hearing "but there's a chance the transfusion will kill you anyway"-as if that was the announcement- a smart person would say "then give me the transfusion and we'll plan for survival." And the medical situation HARDLY is as bleak for people who get transfusions as you paint.]

"Anglican." The Church of England is shortened to "C. of E.". That's the group that split off from the Roman Catholic Church because one king wanted a divorce and the RCC wouldn't give it to him, so he made his own church just like the RCC except for the divorce. That's called "Anglican", and if you're in the USA, it's called an "Episcopalian" church. All the same church.

"Mr. President, my son is being held captive in Iraq, and I need you to save him. Now I've given money to the republicans for years, and never asked for anything in return." "You asked to be Secretary of Balloon-Doggies." "I didn't ASK to be Secretary of Balloon-Doggies, the balloon-doggies DEMANDED it!" "Whenever he sings to me, I melt like butter on a bagel. God, I've been in New York too long." " God love her, Mom, I couldn't change her mind. You should be proud she has your will." "She may have my will, but she doesn't have my gun! " "...Tim Allen gives that same likeable performance we've always love. Once again proving Disney Pictures have the magical touch that may not win awards but keep America smiling. How's that?" "You're Satan aren't you?" "You've won another round Siskel. But we shall meet again!"

My favourite Tick quotes come from when Arthur and Tick were trying to choose a battlecry. Arthur: "How about 'not in the face, not in the face'? We say that anyway." But Tick selected "SPOON!" and used it in a number of episodes.

Actually, the 1970s was the LAST time they set a date for the Apocalypse and were wrong. Dates were set in the 1800s, and a few in the 1910's. Eventually, those dates were retroactively assigned new meanings, since obviously they weren't the Apocalypse. Don't worry, you'll live to see it again. The one in the 1970s will likewise be renamed eventually. As to arbitrarily picking dates for the last days, I personally think that Europeans who lived through the Black Death a millenium ago had a MUCH stronger case for the end of the world than anyone in the 20th century had. A handful of nations in yet another war? Wasn't even the first REAL World War- it had as much involvement as the Napoleonic Wars, so that should be the REAL World War I.

[DUUUHHHH. But it says that defilement of a man has nothing to do with anything that enters him- and that means "regardless of the method of entry." The words "regardless of the method of entry" aren't there, but that is the plain English meaning of what it says when the general word "enters" is used, as opposed to specifying "eaten" or the like. Therefore, that which enters a man can't defile him if he eats it, or is transfused with it, or he inhales it, or he gets a skin patch, or it's administered through a suppository. That's because it "entered" him, and Jesus categorically dismissed all methods of entry unilaterally as methods of defilement. Now, I can take HIS word for it, or I can take YOUR word for it. This is not a tough decision.] [Especially the ones Jesus said don't apply SPECIFICALLY.] [Your quotation left something out. Why do your verses run incomplete? You left out abstaining from "things strangled." Ok, so if your understanding is correct, Jesus said it's ok, and Acts said it's not ok. Here are the possibilities. A) the Bible is contradictory, unreliable, and devoid of authority. Therefore, the "no transfusion" thing is devoid of authority. B) the Gospel reference is misunderstood. Well, Jesus went on at length explaining. He covered anything entering the body. Scratch that possibility. C) the Acts reference is misunderstood. What makes this obvious is that the Epistles later go into why it's good for some people to not eat, and why it's good for some people to eat- when it's the same food both times. The emphasis is not on the "blood", but on "things offered to idols"- the strangled offerings and blood offered to idols. They really weren't supposed to participate in pagan worship ceremonies anymore, so lay off the pagan ceremonies, the oxen, the garlands, the orgies, the offerings of things strangled, and the offerings of blood. So, the rules didn't change in Acts, after Jesus spoke.] [Literally or symbolically, it was his blood. Jesus knew the rules.Good thing eating could no longer defile a man, according to no less an authority than Jesus Christ.] [sounds like an ironclad case to shut up about food and drink- which, according to you, somehow includes transfusions, since that supposedly was what was included in the OLD rules that included food and drink.] [You seem reluctant to actually post the relevant verses...]starbird x x x Romans 14 The Weak and the Strong 1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. 22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. =========== Romans 14 Principles of Conscience 1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2©One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5(I)One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For (Q)we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11For it is written, "®AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." 12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way. 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. 16Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19So thenwe pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. 2-Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. 21It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. 22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin. ================= Romans 14 New International Version (NIV) Romans 14 The Weak and the Strong 1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' " 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. 22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society New American Standard Bible (NASB) Romans 14 Principles of Conscience 1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2©One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to (F)judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11For it is written, "®AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." 12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way. 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. 16Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. 20Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. 21It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. 22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he whodoes not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin. =================== New King James Version (NKJV) Romans 14 The Law of Liberty 1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and roseand lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.11 For it is written: “ As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” 12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way. 14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For he who serves Christ in these thingsis acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.22 Do you have faith?Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin. ================= [There you have it in 3 different versions. "I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is NOTHING UNCLEAN OF ITSELF." Looks like attempts to twist the verses to get them to reverse and disallow something taken into the body are a failure.]

If that's not "THE TICK", I've no idea what it could be.

I believe I have the artists, but I can't cudgel up the song title yet.

Relevant verses? 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 New American Standard Bible (NASB) "32and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints." New King James Version (NKJV) "32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. " New International Version (NIV) "32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints," The prophet (the one who speaks for God) remains in control, and is not possessed, under the control of, slain by, nor otherwise the puppet of, The Spirit. If a bunch of people make a ruckus of a church meeting, that's not God's fault- he's not a God of confusion or disorder. I Corinthians 14:40. New American Standard Bible (NASB) "40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner." New King James Version (NKJV) "40 Let all things be done decently and in order." New International Version (NIV) "40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way." Having a meeting devolve into a session where people are barking, laughing, swinging their arms around, running around the room, throwing themselves on the floor, or slamming their head into the wall (I've heard examples of each) is not an orderly manner, and is neither fitting nor proper.

Are you saying you are unable to burn DVDs without Windows Vista?

By definition, that means you have no "abundance". According to twi's pamphlet "Christians Should be Prosperous" (which was often assigned to read as homework when beginning pfal), you're supposed to be prospering if you're giving them money. If you're giving them money and you are not prospering, then their doctrine does not work. As the mathematicians would write that, ~Q -> ~P.

A) You did not "jump too soon." Although there's a few people who still insist that their experiences in twi were the greatest things since sliced bread, nearly everybody who was ever exposed to it is happy to be out. B) Yes, the Belizean BRC people are an offshoot who is using the original materials from vpw. Here's a quick thumbnail of the life of vpw. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=218978 Specifically, they're using his taped pfal class, now converted to DVDs. C) Whether or not she's connected with the current twi, or some nostalgic offshoot that still adores vpw, she's NOT involved in something psychologically healthy, ESPECIALLY if it's still lauding vpw to the skies. (The man plagiarized while claiming to produce books based on a connection with God, drugged and raped women, set up a structure to cover his tracks when he drugged and raped women, often showed a toxic personality when not in public, chainsmoked and drank alcohol DAILY while complaining youths didn't know how to practice self-control, and sometimes taught harmful errors. He was well below the minimum standard for ANY kind of leader, let alone one purported to represent God.) D) Both twi and some groups that spun off from twi use leaders that were trained to command and bark orders and not tolerate free thinking and disagreement. Both twi and some offshoots see "crushing dissent" and "humiliating dissenters" as perfectly acceptable practices, especially once a veneer of godliness has been added to it. So, she won't be allowed to think, and when she gets sick and tired of being sick and tired, and tries to leave, they'll try to take her down emotionally and/or psychologically. In twi, it was common to try to convince people that they or their loved ones would drop dead if they left- they'd be a "greasespot by midnight". So, anticipate this. The practices are predictable, ungodly, and tiresome. But then, this hardly qualifies as news to many people. Feel free to send pm's to me or anyone else you think is making sense here. (The worst they can do is say "No, I don't want to talk to you.") Feel free to make up your own mind. If you don't think I or anyone else makes sense, hey, your conclusions. Feel free to reassess your conclusions if later events seem to support our claims.