WordWolf

I remember that now, they were the Jablonskis. According to Bud, the smart Kelly was frigid, too. I thought most people didn't pick up how funny that was. (Well, I thought it was funny. Whatever.)

I'd like to have a "new" person post one, not one of the usual 3-4 suspects. If not, I can post one, but let's see someone new take it!

Just bringing this up for the new folks. If someone's having trouble finding a new avatar, we might even be able to help out...

It's easy to look into SOME of the plagiarism that appears in that book. It's a combination of 2 of Bullinger's books: "The Rich Man and Lazarus: An Intermediate State?" and "Saul and the Witch at Endor: Did the Dead Rise at Her Bidding?" Note that the question format was stolen also. Now, the former of those books appears here in its entirety: http://philologos.org/__eb-rml/ (That site also has it available as a PDF.)

Uptown, forgive me if I remain cynical that this will result in any changes other than cosmetic at CES/STFI. Too much work and too much humility needed to truly revamp the group-they'll need to gut much of the current focus, and that's going to take admitting their foci were completely wrong. I think they're going to keep their baggage, make no real changes, announce an exploratory committee to examine some stuff and be very vague about what they're doing, maybe announce that a few times, and that's the last real action you're going to see on that. Ever. CES/STFI is free to prove me wrong on that-and I hope they will. However, I'm thinking about a leopard and spots here.

I used to have to log in twice when logging in-consistently, every single time- but I didn't get logged out otherwise. I AM mindful of being "timed out", but it hasn't happened yet. I just discovered that if I wait for the log in and ignore the link to click when waiting, it finishes and I don't have to repeat it. I hope this works consistently.

Neo, Hello. :) This is some rough, harsh stuff to go over. You might want to go slow, and take some time to digest it. There's no hurry, and you can go at any pace you can adjust to. You don't have to impress anyone by accepting it fast, or not having emotions about it, or any other action. You don't even have to impress yourself by showing off, either. :) We can pick up any discussion of same months from now, whenever you've read everything and digested it. We'll be here.

Bingo. We've seen a sermon while hearing one, on this thread. 20 points for ex10. You win the internet.

[so strong-convictions=possessed. What's next, witch-hunts? Gonna check if someone has fur inside their skin to prove they turn into a wolf? Check for moles as proof of a bargain with the devil?] [Now you can read his mind. Wowzer.I might have said something like "he might be more ready to consider that maybe Jesus isn't (not wasn't) God the Creator of Heaven and Earth." But you know he partly doesn't believe it, somewhere in his head. Amazing. If you can do that face-to-face, you'd clean up on Jeopardy!, Millionaire, and Weakest Link.] [i appreciate your candor. Strong convictions means "possessed", and "emotional against vp" means "bad judgement". Evidence, apparently, is irrelevant. Me, I would think that a laundry list of the crimes of a criminal would be WORTH some emotion, but I don't speak for everyone.] [someone said it was all "written off as 'deception''? Who claimed that one. Most claim its contents are SUSPECT because they were assembled and presented deceptively. A few people discount all Christian endeavours, and thus pfal gets dismissed with all other Christians, but that's hardly the popular position here. Who's been posting this, John?]

[WordWolf in boldface and brackets again.]

Ok, next movie. "What do you read, my lord?" "Words. Words. Words." "What is the matter?" "Between who?" "I mean, the matter that you read" "I see a cherub that sees them."

Hang on, I'll need to do a little quote-seeking first.....

That might sound like an exaggeration. However, A) RTHST was entirely a cut-and-paste of content from other authors- primarily Stiles and Bullinger. The driest section, I'm sure you can recognize, was the contents of Bullinger's book now known as "Word Studies on the Holy Spirit", the 385 references to "spirit" in the New Testament. B) Some of Bullinger's books were pretty small. Take all the content of ADAN, remove the content of "the Rich Man and Lazarus..." by Bullinger, and remove the content of "Saul and the Witch at Endor", by Bullinger, neither of which is cited in ADAN, and what you get is the cover, the intro and the acknowledgements page. I could go on (like mention the Orange Book's contents), but everyone who is able to get the point has already gotten the point. He took large amounts of material from books, sometimes their entire contents, and put them into "his" books, sometimes making up their entire contents. That's what I said, the evidence supports it, and that's what he did. And it was a crime each time, because he didn't cite his sources when he did that. ====== BTW, you were fine with him demoting parts of Genesis, then? You were conspicuously silent on that while trying to deny aspects of vpw's plagiarism.... Some attempts to the contrary, THIS is what this thread is about. Amazing how there's been multiple attempts to change the subject- accusing Moses of plagiarism, calling "vpw's books" "the word of God", denying the extent of his plagiarism....

Well, since it's on the tapes from ROA '79, and vpw said, proudly, "It Is Available", I consider that as authoritative as vpw putting it in writing. Perhaps HE was mistaken. Perhaps he didn't know that the policies had changed at least 3 years ago. If so, he suddenly seems to know a LOT less than he usually did....

Fascinating. See, if Oakspear or George Aar said this, I wouldnt bat an eye. It is consistent with their general positions- that the Bible is not THE Divine Book, direct from God. However, one who claims it IS is now suddenly trying to downgrade, to demote, parts of Holy Scripture. Is he doing this because he no longer believes it is The Word of God? No, it seems he's demoting part of the Book of Genesis in an attempt to absolve the plagiarizing fraud, vpw, of wrongdoing when he knowingly took the books of others, moved some words around, and put his name on the cover, pretending they never wrote THEIR books. And while we're at it, "vpw's books" (the works of others rephrased or reprinted with vpw's name on them) have now become "the word of God." Am I misunderstanding it? You tell me. Looks like "vpw's" books have been pronounced "the word of God" when I wasn't looking.

That's funny- you were told it was available. When you asked, you were specifically told it was no longer available. And yet, from the mainstage at ROA '79, vpw himself said-3 years after YOU were told it WASN'T- he said it WAS. (Even if the policy changed 20 minutes before your letter was received, that's still 3 years' difference.) Seems like crowds were told it WAS, but anyone who ASKED was told it WASN'T.

Was something supposed to happen?

For next time, you can do what I did for Pete's Dragon. http://www.google.com enter into the search "firewall" "movie" "quotes" and hit return. The first page should have a bunch of quotes from the movie on at least 1 page. In this case, the first result DOES. In my case, I pulled one quote off the page, and one from my memory from when I saw the movie long ago. Sometimes you can even get the entire SCRIPT.

Now we're showing 28.

The Most Right Reverend G. Gordon Godfrey says he wants to talk to you about a franchise operation....

Maybe it's a screen error. Before we crossed 200 users, we'd almost certainly crash the server. If not, page downloads would slow to a crawl. I'm seeing 37 users right now. ===== And NOW I'm seeing 317, but the numbers of guests, anonymous users and users totals 37. MUST be a screen error.

I suspect it's at least 5% when it comes to word-for-word plagiarism. Documentation of his plagiarism abounds, and some of it's linked up the page. However, as some people are fond of forgetting, if you move some of the words around, it is STILL PLAGIARISM. Plagiarism can be word-for-word, paragraph-for-paragraph, chapter-for-chapter, concept-for-concept, book-for-book. Paragraph for paragraph is when the plagiarist takes the original work, restates each paragraph in his own words, and pretends it's his own work by leaving off any citations, hoping to deceive and defraud the listener. Chapter-for-chapter is when he does that with the chapters, so you have 2 books that handle the same subjects in the same order, using the same concepts and sources, with the wordings moved around a bit. It's still fraud and still a crime. (Same for concept and book.) ========== As for "what was the intent of the scam artist when he attempted to defraud the readers", there are only 2 possibilities: A) He had no idea he was committing a crime, and so there's no malice. This would now require he have not made it thru a competent high school, no college, and no grad school, and have no editor. vpw obviously does not fall in this category. He heard all about plagiarism in high school, college AND grad school, and if his doctorate was actually earned, he heard it there too. (Princeton Theological Seminary, where he earned his Masters, has never glossed over this crime-it's a respectable learning institution.) B) He knew he was committing a crime, and chose to do so anyway. What possible reasons could he have? Well, there's only one, really- he intended to deceive his audience as to what was his own work, to artificially inflate his own talent, to cheat the REAL authors of their proper credit. It helped him promote the exclusivity of "his" books and classes- by denying there is any other source than himself for the material. Of course, INTENT of a premeditated crime really is not much of an issue- they considered the situation and elected to commit a crime. This is hardly along the lines of "I stole food to feed my starving family"- it's really "I stole to make a product to sell, and to inflate my image".

Right. "Lower Decks." I really liked this episode, because it gave a rare look at some of the JUNIOR officers on the ship, of whom. there's hundreds. It also mentions that one of the cadets from Nova Squadron's disaster in "the First Duty", Ensign Sito (Sito Jaxa, a Bajoran) graduated and served on the Enterprise at Picard's request. (We'll never hear of Locarno again, because he's played by the actor who plays Tom Paris- and Locarno was rejected as the character he was to play in Voyager. One of the 5 was Josh Alpert, who died, one was Wesley Crusher, one was Locarno, one was Sito Jaxa. Hm. I wonder if they ever wrote about the 5th one.) Worf was an officer who appreciated Ensign Sito's performance, and she was a student in some of his martial arts classes. One of the best scenes, IMHO, was when they were playing poker, and the senior staff was playing poker, and the camera cut back and forth between the games and conversations. Your turn, George.