WordWolf

I thought that was worth repeating. This was worth repeating, also...

[sounds like you're calling the speaker "evil" for exposing a liar and a thief. Or did you mean that differently? That's fascinating- all the prophets of old would likewise be considered "evil" for performing their assigned function. Many people in power claimed that, and inflicted suffering on them for that. Remember what they did to Jeremiah? And he wasn't one of the one who was killed outright for speaking up for God. You place yourself in the same camp as their afflicters when you claim those who speak up are automatically "evil." (I suppose the lookout on the Titanic-who spotted an iceberg- he was also "speaking evil" or some other renamed foolishness.) vpw performed direct evil. He lied, he plagiarized, he stole, he deceived, he raped, he drugged, he exposed himself to females, he played a pornographic bestiality video for some of the corps, he screamed at people who failed to prostrate themselves sufficiently for him, and other things. All of those have been documented, in detail. By eyewitnesses and victims, and sometimes official documents of twi. They're NOT hard to find.] [And vpw was firmly wound in it, and saw to it that others were caught as well.] [ultimately, yes. This does not dismiss the functions of RIGHT ACTION and ABSTAINING from even the APPEARANCE of evil, let alone the PERFORMANCE of evil.] [And all the OTHER truths are those you care NOTHING about- like the ongoing performance of evil-so long as you approve of the performer's doctrine and delivery- and it's not YOU or YOURS that are being victimized. I bet your pious posturing tune would change in an INSTANT if one of those so-called servants of God drugged and raped your wife or daughter. Would it be "Oh, turn to Jesus, sweet one, he will deliver you from your suffering?" NO- it would be "He did WHAT? I'll take care of this-where'd I leave my pistol and baseball bat?" And if your response would NOT be outrage, then SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU for having such a callous, atrophied heart that you can't see the need to avenge the suffering of the innocent.]

"I recall discussing VPW with John Lynn 15 or so years ago, and John wanting me to see how much "evil" was involved in the Way. He didn't think I was seeing it for some reason. I did, but I still don't care to focus on that crap." [in other words, John Lynn himself was well aware of the evils in twi (and is now oblivious to evils in ces/stfi even when specifics are brought to him by people who know better), and you consider the evils done by vpw himself, lcm and the trained cadre under vpw as INSIGNIFICANT. Women were raped, women were drugged, THEN raped, children were beaten 1/2 to unconsciousness, some developing long-term psychological damage, some children were molested and twi'ers did a breakin to steal evidence against the "minister" who did it, and relocated him-more than once, one man blew his brains out because lcm insisted on repeatedly having sex with that man's wife, vast coverups of all the above were done, women were raped as the result of mandatory hitchhiking to LEAD-and vpw himself blew off the accounts and did nothing to change the program, one corps participant was crippled from injuries caused by an accident in an unsafe vehicle used by the corps- then was kicked out of the corps and committed suicide, people leaving twi were told it would be better if they just killed themselves, the corps were treated like slave labour for life-by vpw himself, and the doctrine of "the lockbox"-all these things were PERMISSABLE for the top echelon and anyone else should remain silent- besides other evils that escape me at the moment- and you considered all of that INSIGNIFICANT.][ "All that evil is fairly minimal when compared to the tremendous Truth that was held forth by Dr W. Likewise John L." [First of all, lives were ENDED, lives were LOST, lives were RUINED, and you consider those "fairly minimal." I thank God you are not in charge of determining the value of MY OWN LIFE. I consider each person worth more than that- even when they utter such callous, despicable things. To you, lives are EXPENDABLE so long as the organization and its programs are reflecting the doctrines you want. That's what you just said. Second of all, you appear remarkably ill-informed as to the proven doctrinal errors in twi at the pen of vpw, and the practical errors he did and taught were perfectly acceptable (if you were in the inner cadre) and are remarkably ill-informed to the degree that the entire package of twi- excepting the permissiveness and policies I objected to- were all ripped off from other Christians. The entire pfal class was taken straight from the works of other Christians- Leonard, Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger- with vpw's name added and their names removed. All the early twi books were taken directly from the books of other Christians- with vpw's name added and their names removed. All the later twi books were the work of twi research people- with vpw's name added and their names never mentioned- and not even mentioned by category (as in "the research dept worked on this".) Third of all, you seem determined to make THE SAME MISTAKE and give John L a free pass. People's lives were ruined? Some had breakdowns? Some were destroyed by Momentus, "personal prophecies", and ridicule from the pulpit? Oh, that's not important- he's teaching the Doctrine I respect! Ignore the lost and damaged lives. In conclusion, you're reflecting a position of "I got mine-who cares if you suffer?" All the pious posting on the internet can't wipe away a callous heart, nor excuse it.] "it's the same old story, the same old spiritual battle," [it is indeed. Lives are STILL being sacrificed at the whims of leadership, and other lives are GLOSSING THAT OVER. I consider that SPIRITUAL DARKNESS. You may consider that something else- like "excusable" or "crap" or "minimal". Jesus cares about ALL Christians- not just the leaders- and would NEVER allow the one lost sheep to be cast aside. He makes sure the lost sheep is found. How do you think he'd address the attitude that suffering Christians are "minimal"?]

"You can't keep playing Parises Squares like you're twenty-one years old. One of these days you're going to fall and break your neck... and I won't be able to heal that so easily." "Actually... I wasn't playing Parises Squares..." "Mmm... Worf's calisthenic program again..." "No..." "Oh? What were you doing?" "I was trying to feed Spot." "Data's cat?" "I told Data I'd feed it while he was away. All I remember is setting down the food... and then a hissing ball of fur came out of nowhere. I hate cats." "So just as I'm leaving the reception, a Ktarian walks up to me and says... '...So Diane... I understand you're an empath. I'm a very...sensitive man myself. I'm doing a thesis on interspecies mating rituals. Would you care to join me in some empirical research?" "Don't tell me -- Doctor Mizan." "That's right." "He's notorious. But he really is an expert on interspecies mating practices." "Did you help him with his research, Counselor?" "Absolutely not." "But I thought that topic interested you." "Yes... but..." "I'll explain it to you later, Data." "It wasn't any better at the physiognomy workshop. Doctor Vassbinder gave an hour long dissertation on the ionization effect of warp nacelles -- before he realized the topic was supposed to be psychology." "Why didn't somebody tell him?" "There was never an opportunity, never a pause. He just kept talk-ing like he was speak-ing in one in-credibly long, run-on sen-tence... .....It was almost hypnotic." "Geordi -- I believe I have an explanation. According to the plasma conversion sensor, the starboard engine has been in continuous operation for over forty-seven days." "Forty-seven days? Let's take a look at that sensor -- it must be malfunctioning." "I'll check the fuel consumption logs..."

"Is anyone else having problems concentrating on this? I just can't seem to concentrate." "Maybe we should send you to a concentration camp." "Maury, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection!" " Don't worry. There are no stupid answers, just stupid people. " "Do your impersonation of David Caruso's career!" "You know what? I've learned something today..." "Well, that about does it. If you have any questions, I'll leave information packets up front." "Oh that's good, we need some more toilet paper." Respect my authorit-ay!" "But, I'm a psychic." "No, dude. You're a douche." "I'm not a douche. What if I really believed dead people talk to me?" "Then, you're a STUPID douche." "Umm, Mom..." "Yes, honey?" "Um, can I got to the Special Olympics and beat all the special children?" "No, honey, I believe that is for special children." "You mean, I'm not special? I thought you said I was special!" "Okay, children. Let's all gather around and bob for stupid apples now. You go first, Bebe. That's good. Just use those mouth muscles like the girls in Beijing." "TIMAH! And the Lords of the Underworld!" "But, ladies and gentlemen of this SUPPOSED jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!" "Dammit!" "What?" "He's using the Chewbacca Defense!" "Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this SUPPOSED jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests." "But what if when I'm putting on the nose, the snowman comes to life and tries to kill me?!" "Tweek, when has that ever happened except for that one time?" "We have to return the 'Lord of the Rings' to the Two Towers." "You want some Cheesy Poofs, too?" "Yeah, I want Cheesy Poofs!" "You know who I am, don't you?" "Well, you ain't Fiona Apple, and if you ain't Fiona Apple, I don't give a rat's a@$$." "Step one: Steal underpants, Step two: (silence), Step Three: Profit!!!"

*looks it up* Correct! Your turn.

The last one wasn't Deanna doing an impersonation, it was Picard.

You are trying far too hard....

"Is anyone else having problems concentrating on this? I just can't seem to concentrate." "Maybe we should send you to a concentration camp." "Maury, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection!" " Don't worry. There are no stupid answers, just stupid people. " "Do your impersonation of David Caruso's career!" "You know what? I've learned something today..." "Well, that about does it. If you have any questions, I'll leave information packets up front." "Oh that's good, we need some more toilet paper." Respect my authorit-ay!" "But, I'm a psychic." "No, dude. You're a douche." "I'm not a douche. What if I really believed dead people talk to me?" "Then, you're a STUPID douche." "Umm, Mom..." "Yes, honey?" "Um, can I got to the Special Olympics and beat all the special children?" "No, honey, I believe that is for special children." "You mean, I'm not special? I thought you said I was special!" "Okay, children. Let's all gather around and bob for stupid apples now. You go first, Bebe. That's good. Just use those mouth muscles like the girls in Beijing." "TIMAH! And the Lords of the Underworld!"

"You can't keep playing Parises Squares like you're twenty-one years old. One of these days you're going to fall and break your neck... and I won't be able to heal that so easily." "Actually... I wasn't playing Parises Squares..." "Mmm... Worf's calisthenic program again..." "No..." "Oh? What were you doing?" "I was trying to feed Spot." "Data's cat?" "I told Data I'd feed it while he was away. All I remember is setting down the food... and then a hissing ball of fur came out of nowhere. I hate cats." "So just as I'm leaving the reception, a Ktarian walks up to me and says... '...So Diane... I understand you're an empath. I'm a very...sensitive man myself. I'm doing a thesis on interspecies mating rituals. Would you care to join me in some empirical research?" "Don't tell me -- Doctor Mizan." "That's right." "He's notorious. But he really is an expert on interspecies mating practices." "Did you help him with his research, Counselor?" "Absolutely not." "But I thought that topic interested you." "Yes... but..." "I'll explain it to you later, Data." "It wasn't any better at the physiognomy workshop. Doctor Vassbinder gave an hour long dissertation on the ionization effect of warp nacelles -- before he realized the topic was supposed to be psychology." "Why didn't somebody tell him?" "There was never an opportunity, never a pause. He just kept talk-ing like he was speak-ing in one in-credibly long, run-on sen-tence... .....It was almost hypnotic."

[bravo. I'm overjoyed for you. I never said NOBODY benefitted from this program-or at least THINKS they did. My comment was a PARAPHRASE- that people have been saying that this program is ABOVE REPROACH, and that any complaints are entirely due to the participants and not the program. THAT's where your posts-and others-have gone. To claim NOW that you're saying that some normal people even CAN be harmed by this program would represent a CHANGE in your posts-and I don't even see you saying that NOW. Are you aware that some perfectly-healthy people have been strongarmed into taking this program, and have been harmed by it? Or is your position that those who have been harmed were already damaged, and the program is STILL fine?]

I can't name the artist, so if this one depended on me, the odds would be very slim I could give the correct answer....

I disagree with you about regrets at the Bema, but if you want to discuss it, we can open a thread in the Doctrinal forum and not derail this one. I agree with you here. It's up to God, and to the individual Christians in question.

You're right. (I got this one last time we saw it on this thread.) Any chance you can post the next one, or should I just take it or something?

Silence of the Lambs Anthony Hopkins the Mask of Zorro

Ok, let's see.... "Is anyone else having problems concentrating on this? I just can't seem to concentrate." "Maybe we should send you to a concentration camp." "Maury, I am out of control. Yeah, I use drugs. I can do what I waunt, biatch! Yeah, I have sex, and I don't use protection!" " Don't worry. There are no stupid answers, just stupid people. " "Do your impersonation of David Caruso's career!" "You know what? I've learned something today..." "Well, that about does it. If you have any questions, I'll leave information packets up front." "Oh that's good, we need some more toilet paper."

"You can't keep playing Parises Squares like you're twenty-one years old. One of these days you're going to fall and break your neck... and I won't be able to heal that so easily." "Actually... I wasn't playing Parises Squares..." "Mmm... Worf's calisthenic program again..." "No..." "Oh? What were you doing?" "I was trying to feed Spot." "Data's cat?" "I told Data I'd feed it while he was away. All I remember is setting down the food... and then a hissing ball of fur came out of nowhere. I hate cats." "So just as I'm leaving the reception, a Ktarian walks up to me and says... '...So Diane... I understand you're an empath. I'm a very...sensitive man myself. I'm doing a thesis on interspecies mating rituals. Would you care to join me in some empirical research?" "Don't tell me -- Doctor Mizan." "That's right." "He's notorious. But he really is an expert on interspecies mating practices." "Did you help him with his research, Counselor?" "Absolutely not." "But I thought that topic interested you." "Yes... but..." "I'll explain it to you later, Data."

Adrian Paul Highlander: Endgame Christopher Lambert

A) JKR's mentioned that one of her favourite writers is Nesbitt. Nesbitt's specialty is rewriting fairy tales. Like the Frog Prince. JKR mentioned that she liked Book 6, but not all the fans would- which suggested to me that it might be a bit of "this is what I wanted to write, period", and further might have been her own attempt to rewrite a fairy tale. Trevor always seems to disappear or be around interesting places and events. Apparently, it's all been a series of coincidences, but there's been speculation- like Trevor being used as some sort of spying apparatus by Uncle Algie. (Uncle Algie, if you recall, gave him the toad, and also was the guy who would have "accidentally" killed Trevor if Trevor's own magickal nature hadn't saved him.) What got me thinking of this was looking at a list of all the possible suspects for the Half-Blood Prince- and the giant squid got a vote as well. When I saw Trevor's name, I wondered to myself, "A Frog Prince?" and the rest of it came in a flash of inspiration. It was WRONG, but it was an INTERESTING wrong. My own speculation also expected JKR to use the HBP to tie in one of the other races of beings into the war- merfolk, goblins, etc. Since she didn't, I'm almost disappointed. Ok, other news. I considered that a red herring. Harry was asking the wrong question, and thus went to the wrong person. Harry presumed everyone was right, and Sirius was killed by the Veil/Arch. Thus, he wanted to know if Sirius could become a ghost. Nearly-Headless Nick can tell him of ghosts, but of nothing else concerning death-by his own admission, since he was afraid to move on to whatever he should have moved on to. Nick has heard that Sirius was killed, which Nick takes to be true. Nick can confirm Sirius would not become a ghost, but has no ability to confirm the death report. Notice how Nick can't tell us what might be faced by someone who reached any Netherworld.... could be another coincidence, could be very convenient, and planned...

[i wonder if this is an INTENTIONAL error- as in "I'm looking for excuses to dismiss criticism, so I shall pretend that critics have ever objected to someone having even a single positive experience with Momentus when they have expressed no such thing"; or a psychological BLIND-SPOT- as in "I can't see why anyone would care so much about Momentus and still not like Momentus- they must object to people benefitting from it if they don't like Momentus..." I can't tell from here. Either way, it's ERROR- but one is accidental and one is intentional.] [Any training is bound to have someone who doesn't like it. That's a non-issue, and pretending it is not is just another smokescreen- whether intentional or accidental. There's a big difference between "I don't like the way they do this" and "people were being pressured to enter, those running it refused to explain what to expect, and some of those who took it suffered long-term psychological damage, and a LOT of those who didn't demonstrated negative personality traits". Seems a LOT of the people who graduated this "program" and didn't just collapse decide this thing is right next to the hand of God, and all criticism is bogus, and all objections must be shouted down, and even questioning it is forbidden. Oh, heck, who's surprised? We've seen it demonstrated right on this thread. People have popped in out of nowhere to attack any dissent, and NOT with reasoned discussion, most of them....]

Well, it was ok for vpw to go shopping for pornography to show students in the CFS class. vpw was ok to do anything because he was "spiritually mature". It was ok for vpw to show pornography to students in the CFS class. It was ok for vpw to show some students a film on bestiality, and describe it to the others. So, in the vpw era, it was hardly condemned in loud voices. Before 1990, I am unable to find any answers on it one way or the other. After 1990, I'd bet there isn't one either.

[ A) He was talking about HIS BOSS. READ the posts again. He was NOT addressing YOU- unless you're actually his boss at work, who's now posting here. B) Why does it bother you so LITTLE that some people got railroaded into a program that did severe damage to them? Is it because you buy the "only the strong benefit from this class- and only the weak suffer damage from it. REAL Christians benefit from this program" stuff? Maybe you should consult with your conscience as to whether you should be feeling something about the victims-even if you're NOT feeling anything other than APATHY for them. Just a thought.]

Quick Change Tony Shaloub Men in Black II

Is that from "Maverick"? The movie made a nod to that-with Maverick misquoting his dad all through the movie....

The only catch is that I'm speculating some things we haven't seen yet- a Netherworld in HP that can be entered like in mythology, and portals, even if they're almost-impossible to use. Considering how obscure she went to include the Hand of Glory, though, this isn't a big jump.