WordWolf

I remember. But 1/2 the answer was already posted... vpw taught that "take unto you" meant in a sexual sense, not "take her to be your wife again, instead of divorcing her for being unfaithful, because she was not". Seems to me the most obvious reading, even in the KJV, is that the angel told him THAT, and vpw added the sexual element into this verse. (He had a habit of doing that.) He also had a "unique interpretation" of Matthew 1:25, quoted above. Although everybody knows "knew her not" to mean "didn't have sex with her', vpw claimed there was additionally an alternate meaning of the term that meant instead "didn't have sex THAT RESULTED IN A CONCEPTION with her." It was twi doctrine-and almost certainly STILL is twi doctrine- that Jesus was not Joseph's son genetically, but that while Mary was pregnant with Jesus, that the husband and wife had sex (which, obviously, could not result in a pregnancy since she was ALREADY pregnant.) lcm's witty explanation: "C'mon- Joseph was a man!" i.e. "I can believe in a virgin birth, but not a young man abstaining from sex with his young wife."

That's it. The first quote was "Scrooge's" quote to his girlfriend- which the Future glimpse showed was why she stopped working with the homeless. By then, he was making a ghostly apology for saying it, and took it back by the end. The second quote was easy to recognize- there's no subtlety when you're casting Buster Poindexter in a movie. :) And the last was after the 3rd ghost, when Bob Goldthwaite's character, recently fired, greeted him with a loaded shotgun. "Hello, wabbit!" *blam* One of you want to post the next one? Want to make it free for a few days for anyone passing through?

I was half-convinced that was a joke, but ok, Johnny. Congrats on not sinking to their level. BTW, Linder used to show up in the "who's online" list. I presume he logs in invisible now. That's what prompted the thread title, I remember. Sometimes people posted he was listed at that moment, and someone even posted a screenshot.

"I'm gonna give you a little advice Claire: 'Scrape 'em off. You wanna save somebody? Save yourself.' " "Taxi. Can you get me to the IBC building in three minutes?" "Which floor?" "I'm alive! Yes! I'm ALIVE!" *click*"Not for long."

I think that's what some of us call "being sick and tired of being sick and tired." "Confirmations and reassurances". And some people still don't have any idea why twi always said never to rely on experience, and to dismiss your own feelings if they contradict "the Word" (twi's word, anyway.) Oh, and I meant they said not to rely on YOUR experience- it was perfectly fine to rely on vpw's experience or lcm's experience on something. twi's never had a problem keeping double-standards their Standard Operating Procedure.

Actually, 'Stay alive- no matter what occurs!' would have been the giveaway. ========= Ok, I don't THINK we've done this one. "I'm gonna give you a little advice Claire: 'Scrape 'em off. You wanna save somebody? Save yourself.' "

Do you mean, all the marked and avoided people are speaking up, or that they marked and avoided twi in response? To this day, there are people in twi you will announce that to, and they will nod and say "Yes, that's what God decided. Would you like some Kool-Aid?"

This really wasn't so much a "it's the product of the times" or "it's the product of the locals", as we've already seen. This was probably more a vpw-specific thing. All accounts of Old Man Wierwille was that he was a tyrant who kept his boot on his family's neck. (vpw rebelled by hiding in the forest and shirking his chores, but never went to his face and risked a beatdown.) He also was rough with anyone OUTSIDE his family who he disagreed with. Now, how did vpw view this? Did he say "I saw this didn't work-I shall be more human with MY family, MY loved ones, the people I interact with"? No- he adopted this as his own Modus Operandi. "He was a mean man."- one of his loved ones at his funeral. vpw's view of women-by his own words- was deriding and belittling. vpw, pg-198, TW:LiL... "'Women never tell the truth.'" "There aren't going to be any women around when I get the holy spirit.'" "..turned to his wife and said, 'Honey, I'm going with VP.' She said something to him like, 'How long will you be?' And he said, 'That's none of your business.' That was it, and my opinion of him as a man went up 99 percent. His stature increased in my eyes. just from the way he handled her." I don't know how wide-spread this kind of thing was at the time. I don't know how wide-spread this kind of thing is now. I DO know it's unScriptural, and was wrong THEN, and wrong NOW, and will continue to be wrong.

Correct. I would also have accepted the cover done by the Ataris. They changed one line- "Out on the road today, saw a Dan Quayle sticker on a Cadillac." That was fast. Your turn, Raf!

If you really want to discuss this, start a thread in Doctrinal, please, and I'll meet you there.

This phrase appears ONCE in the New Testament. King James Version, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." NIV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." NASB, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." ESV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy--the Son of God." CEV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come down to you, and God's power will come over you. So your child will be called the holy Son of God." Then there's the less literal versions. The only one who mentions a "thing" is the KJV. In fact, even the NEW KJV says.... NKJV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." Last time I studied this in the Greek, I found the most literal word-for-word translation for that phrase matches the NIV and the NKV. The word "hagion" in the Stephens Text (per the Gordon Ricker-Berry Interlinear) is what the KJV renders "holy THING." That's a little odd, since the plural of this word is what's rendered "SAINTS" in the Epistles in the KJV, the "holy ones". This "thing" thing is ERROR. twi never corrected it because this ERROR supports their ERROR in Doctrine. "See? Even the angel referred to Jesus as a 'thing.'" Bull-muffins.

I'd like to examine this first. twi said Jesus was referred to as a "holy thing", and used the King James Version to support that. But twi checked a lot of things against the Greek and found they didn't match what was in the KJV..... and NEVER CHECKED "holy thing" to see if it matched....... I figured one of these days, someone would bring this up..... Ever look at the Greek on this? You would if you checked a few other versions....

Seems to me that the more people talk about debbil spurts zooming around and doing stuff, the more the people are full of balloons. I've yet to see anyone COMPETENT in the field who talked a LOT on the subject. (Not that I think the subject ITSELF is error- just most of the so-called authorities and self-appointed experts on it.) Not by coincidence, twi was LOADED with self-appointed experts on the subject, starting with the woefully-clueless vpw and all the way through most of the inner cadre, and many of the higher-ups everywhere.

Of especial concern is the effect that one of the scenes in Session One has on parents. That's when vpw makes up an imaginary woman and child in an attempt to get people to believe his "fear is negative believing and it makes things happen" doctrine. He says that this woman (like very many mothers and fathers, including much of his audience) worried about the safety of her only child, all the time. In this respect, she's just like millions of mothers who see their kids arrive safely home every day after they worried about them. Where she's different is that one day, the kid is struck by a car and killed. vpw is VERY SPECIFIC about the cause of death. Is it the driver? Is it the faulty brakes? Is it a poorly-constructed road, which produced a blind turn? Is it even the result of the child being improperly socialized? No. "YOU KNOW WHAT KILLED THAT BOY. IT WAS THE FEAR......IN THE HEART.....OF THAT MOTHER." If that mother existed, vpw was acting much as Joel's miserable comforters- blaming HER PERSONALLY for bad things that happened, despite God causing the rain to fall on the just and unjust. A number of people here have talked about themselves or their parents having been traumatized by that segment. Can you say-in good conscience-that you are ready to expose a new group of people to such a destructive, error-filled doctrine?

Any chance this is "Last of the Mohicans"?

Now THAT's the germ for an interesting story.... the Ferengi did not participate in the Dominion wars.... so the Ferengi Marauders are still around, but at the end of the war, everyone else's supplies of warships are low. Sounds like an opportunity....

Next song. "I thought I knew what love was- what did I know. Those days are gone forever-I should just let them go, but"

Correct! Off the "Now and Zen" album, a sweet set of songs, IMHO. If I'm right, it's a song quite descriptive of my mood this second, "DAZED AND CONFUSED", from Plant's days IN Led Zepellin. I always thought the line was "the soul of a woman was created for love".

"Move over mister - step on back in the crowd! 'Cause she's a whole lotta sister 'bout to drive me wild. Lotta places I've been, lotta names, lotta words, No one compares to my real gone girl."

Ok, George, just post the name...

"A what?" "Certainly you know what a 'headache' is, Doctor." "Of course. But I don't often encounter one." "What are these Ferengi up to? 'Stand by, Enterprise.' Stand by for what?" "It may be true that headaches were once quite common... but this was in the days before the brain was charted... ... before we understood the nature of pain... when we were suffering from such things as the common cold." "It's an old style starship, Constellation Class, heading this way under impulse power, sir." (The scripts all read "Constitution Class", but it was dubbed in post-production, since they decided to make a new ship class for this episode.) "Do not be alarmed. It is a gift from us...with which we honor the 'Hero of Maxia.'" "But now that vessel is yours, if you wish to have it." "We are not selling it to him?" "Call it an act of friendship." "At no cost!? Ugly. Very ugly!" "USS Stargazer. Constellation Class. Starfleet Registry NCC 2893."

Here's how I see it. The actual deeds, in any effective form, will have been wiped out. I Corinthians 3:11-15 (NASB) 11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. 14If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. So, each person's deeds will either be worth remembering, or be destroyed in the fire, depending on the specific deed. (As of the Christian's "Day of Judgement.") As to remembering specifics, I don't think we'll have gaps in our memories, but be able to contextualize them properly so they're not as troublesome as some memories some of us carry. That's how I interpret that SPECIFICALLY when reading Revelation 21:4. " 4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." That's all IMHO, of course.

Next song. "Lotta places I've been, lotta names, lotta words, No one compares to my real gone girl"

Since he made the "train" and not the "bus", this isn't "A Day in the Life." It has to be the other song with that line. Paul Schaefer's "When the Radio Is On." In all honesty, I only know that song from discussing it with you, but that was a long time ago....

"A what?" "Certainly you know what a 'headache' is, Doctor." "Of course. But I don't often encounter one." "What are these Ferengi up to? 'Stand by, Enterprise.' Stand by for what?" "It may be true that headaches were once quite common... but this was in the days before the brain was charted... ... before we understood the nature of pain... when we were suffering from such things as the common cold." "It's an old style starship, Constellation Class, heading this way under impulse power, sir." (The scripts all read "Constitution Class", but it was dubbed in post-production, since they decided to make a new ship class for this episode.) "Do not be alarmed. It is a gift from us...with which we honor the 'Hero of Maxia.'"