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Hebrews 12 says nothing about forgiveness. Hebrews 12 (KJV) "1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin." Hebrews 12(NASB) "1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. 4You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" And you have no way of knowing which of us have shed blood, or went in hazard of our lives, striving against sin. (Those of us who HAVE, however, haven't strived against it to the point Jesus did.) ============== 1 Corinthians 5(KJV) " 1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." ======= 1 Corinthians 5 (NASB) " 1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife. 2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. 3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES." =============== II Timothy 4:14 (NASB) "14Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds." II Timothy 4:14 (KJV) "14Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:" I don't know about "going around and around", but Paul sure made a note of those that did harm/evil. If one considers the Bible Holy Scripture, then one should accept God Almighty wanted that noted. And immortalized as an example.

That link no more claims SOWERS is a product of the CFF organization than it claims "Positive Words", Peter Wade's group, is one. I still see no written connection, unless there's a DIFFERENT page stating so.

Hello. Many of us are still Christians. Some of us are a bit "gun-shy" about joining groups at this point, but otherwise, we're fine. Some of us are Christians who carefully joined other groups of Christians. Some of us, of course, are no longer Christians, but around here, they seem to be well-mannered. You probably noticed all this already. Enjoy your stay here.

I think I've heard it at some point, but it's not gelling yet...

*reads the preceeding posts* As you showed, she did not. The words "drugging rapists" were neither implicit nor explicit. And if you don't even feel the need to apologize to God Almighty for ANYTHING you did in twi, well, all I can say is, that says a lot.

If you're flexible on the format of the interviews- say, can conduct them by phone, instant messenger, or a private room in this site's chatroom, you might get more responses, possibly MANY more responses.

The second quote rang a bell with me immediately, as did the third. (But especially the second.) Once I put the two together, I could picture the actors and the scenes.

Thanks, Steve! Correct episode. I knew the Martok quote I ended with was the giveaway, but it's easily the best quote in an entire episode of great quotes. It's one of the few episodes I think viewers should sit down, and watch without interruption or multitasking.

If someone came forward, a former Branch Davidian, changed his last name to Koresh, and announced he was continuing the Branch Davidian legacy, there would be some interesting discussion. A LOT of people-those who know SOME of the harm wrought in the Branch Davidians BY David Koresh- would be VERY skeptical that this would be good for society. They'd say that the Branch Davidians were harmful to their own members, and subtracted from society the FIRST time. They'd not be interested in seeing it happen AGAIN. And that's without getting into claims of "slander", or "what did the NEW Koresh ever do to you" or "what makes you think the NEW Koresh doesn't have the noblest intentions" or any of that. NOW do you see why people are more than a little ready to expect this to go badly?

*looks it up* "Phantasms." Other than not having the name, I had the right episode. Ok, next one. "It is called Kal'Hyah -- the path of clarity." "You've put on weight. And your hair is going gray." "My deterioration is proceeding apace." "I thought you would be in your grave by now." "I shall endeavor to die this year if possible." "We are not accorded the luxury of choosing the women we fall in love with. Do you think Sirella is anything like the woman I thought I'd marry? She is a mercurial, arrogant, prideful woman who shares my bed far too infrequently for my taste. And yet... I love her deeply. We Klingons often tout our prowess in battle and our desire for honor and glory above all else... but how hollow is the sound of victory without someone to share it with. And Honor gives little comfort to a man alone in his home... and in his heart."

Considering God Almighty decided that Jesus' condemnations of them would be preserved for eternity in Holy Scripture (along with the death sentences for Hophni and Phinehas, to name another example by name), I think 25, 50 or 75 years is PEANUTS to 2000 or more years of documentation.....

(It was "White Rabbit.")

Correct! "This is where the fun begins!" Anakin Skywalker, in the opening fighter sequence. "That wasn't much of a rescue." This sounded like the rescue from Episode II, but it was from the rescue of the Chancellor in Episode III. "So this is how liberty dies – with thunderous applause." Senator Padme Amidala, upon hearing Chancellor Palpatine (Darth Sidious) declare he's organizing the Republic into the first Galactic Empire- to the applause of the Senate. "Good! Twice the pride, double the fall." Count Dooku, aka Darth Tyranus (played by Christopher Lee), when Anakin faces off with him again, and announces his skills have doubled since the last time they fought- when Dooku cut off Anakin's hand. Dooku's response was classic. "Execute Order 66." Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine (Darth Sidious), giving the clone troopers, the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic) the General Order to kill all Jedi. This wiped out most of the Jedi as a result. Go, George!

I don't know the episode's name-but I should. Data was having odd waking dreams, seeing mouths on crewmembers, and a straw and similar things. He even consulted a holodeck simulation of Sigmund Freud about them. (Freudian diagnoses was amazingly funny for this case-if Steve! posts the exchange, you'll get the idea.) Turned out some lifeforms slightly out of phase were parasites, and feeding off the cellular peptides of the crewmembers. (In his dream, Worf was eating "cellular peptide cake...with mint frosting".) It's also the episode where Data, concerned he was attacking crew (subconsciously trying to hit a parasite) that he asked Worf to watch Spot for him. It's a priceless scene, between the way Worf held the cat and Data's elaborate instructions, and how Worf agreed. I used to remember the name...

Next song. A videogame commercial got me thinking about this one- they used THIS song, if you can believe it. "One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small"

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"Dirty Deeds (Done Dirt Cheap)", covered by Joan Jett. I think the original was AC/DC.

*nudges thread* Whoever has quotes from any television series (they don't have to be from the same episode-just the same series) can go next.....

Little Feat, "Let it Roll". "Why should I care? Why should I care?"

"This is where the fun begins!" "That wasn't much of a rescue." "So this is how liberty dies – with thunderous applause." "Good! Twice the pride, double the fall." "Execute Order 66."

I don't consider it doctrine or anything, but I find it's a good thing to encourage some "thinking outside the box." I like the premise. Lewis also wrote a sequel, but I'm blanking on the name.

No.

With mint frosting?

I don't think those who want to "give them a pass" say that because they claim to be a Christian group. David Koresh's "Branch Davidians" and Jim Jones' "Peoples Temple" don't get defended here, and they-supposedly- were Christian groups as well. I think the "give them a pass" "stop warning people" advocates are saying that for one reason and one reason only: They have fond personal memories of twi, and all discussions of bad experiences, wrong doctrine, and so on, interfere with their ability to maintain BLOODLESS fond personal memories, and they would rather SILENCE THE ONE TELLING THE TRUTH and warning people than to adjust their thinking to say "I had many fond memories-but some people's experiences were horrific." That's how I see it. Me, I DO have some fond memories, but acknowledge that while I was making fond memories in one place, others were having horrific experiences in another place.