WordWolf

Then again, this being the dawn of the Information Age, one need not phone the Museum. Their website has some interesting information on this subject already up....

What YOU'VE proven, again, is that basic reading comprehension is eluding you. Fred Leuchter is a crackpot. He claims he's an expert in areas he's a hobbyist in, and most REASONABLE people can tell the difference. I have a LAYMAN's interest in science, but nobody's going to put me in charge of a science department at a university because I'm not a degreed scientist- an "expert". Furthermore, when he went into court, he tried to pretend he HAD the credentials that qualified him as an expert, and since he had none, his testimony was shot. Hamm doesn't have to "have a beef" with someone to acknowledge they are a FRAUD- meaning they claim to HAVE training in an area in which they LACK training. Hamm's not an expert either.But degreed, licensed experts HAVE made their own reports- and since the results are not to your liking, your verdict is "false report!" Or, more likely, being a layman, he won't get any further than the LAST layman did. Plus, it costs money to fly over there to accomplish nothing. We're supposed to take WTH's imaginary scenario seriously? It's based on WHAT- rhetoric from tinfoil-hat sources? I've never had a phone conversation like that. When I visited that museum, I didn't get the impression that the people who work there are that excitable. I bet I have more experience with them than WTH does, and I wouldn't pretend to know what they'd say on the phone one way or the other.

That's interesting. v1nce f once used the point that vpw had said, a number of times,"I'm believing for this." vpw was the one who told him, a number of times, and he passed it along to us. In case someone's getting ready to say "vpw never said it like this, he said it differently and other messed it up afterwards", I figured I'd say that FIRST. This I can agree with. And it's not hard to remember.

Here's where the quotes went. " The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." Geordi was awaiting the rendezvous with the USS Victory. He had made a model ship of the sailing SS Victory. And seguewayed into discussing Data's Sherlock Holmes hobby. "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" On the holodeck, in Holmes' office at 221-B Baker St., Geordi marvelling at the decor. "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." Data on Holmes' famous violin. "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" Dr Pulaski claiming Data can't REALLY play Holmes, since he can't feel, and supposedly can't use instinct and all the "human" processes like Holmes. Furthermore, she didn't think he could see the appeal in an ACTUAL mystery, trying to solve the clues, versus memorizing and acting from rote, solving it from a script. "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." Moriarity. "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..." Moriarity on getting information from Pulaski. "Does he have life? He's a machine -- but is that all he is?" "No. He is more." "Exactly. Is the definition of life 'cogito ergo sum'? I think, therefore I am?" "That's one possible definition." "It is the most important one and for me..the only one that matters." Moriarity on whether or not he HIMSELF can be said to be alive. "I don't know what you are talking about." "The scones are likewise a must." "Uh, it's really quite excellent." "Strange. It actually pleases me to hear you say that." "I have no idea what you're talking about." "Of course you do, Madam. The more you proclaim your ignorance, the more you attempt to mislead me, the more I am on to you -- your every silence speaks volumes." "Good, then if you know what I'm saying when I'm not saying anything, what do you need me around for? Thanks for the tea and crumpets, but I guess I'll be going." "Where? Back to here?" " Yes, would you care to join me?" Moriarity, trying to question Pulaski. She's clever enough to try to trick him into walking off the holodeck, which would have wiped him out. The "here" was his sketch of the Enterprise. Some trivia on the episode: A) They thought Holmes was public domain, and the gap between this and the other episode was longer than they wanted- since they had to secure the rights before airing the sequel. B) There's something interesting in the episode that aired. This is another episode where something leaves the holodeck-like a snowball one time. In this case, a paper note. Farrand wondered about that, and the Nitpicker answer was written up that (as they explained later) the holodeck has a holoemitter (for holographic "matter") and a replicator (for regular matter). The note was replicated, as, apparently, were the scones Pulaski ate. But when this aired, the question came up. The script (no script is final until airing) adds a short scene at the end- where Picard and Data mention the note having left the holodeck, and Picard claimed Moriarity could have, also. This probably was dropped because it contradicts how the holodeck works. For Moriarity to leave, he would have had to 1) have a body of permanent matter, not holographic matter 2) have a computer of some kind attached to the body to score his program. They currently don't have the tech to "Frankenstein" him a body from replicators. Then again, I like the solution they used in the sequel. Moriarity got what he wanted, after all, if not the WAY he wanted it. Go, George.

Yes.

STILL your turn, Tom....

" The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..." "Does he have life? He's a machine -- but is that all he is?" "No. He is more." "Exactly. Is the definition of life 'cogito ergo sum'? I think, therefore I am?" "That's one possible definition." "It is the most important one and for me..the only one that matters." "I don't know what you are talking about." "The scones are likewise a must." "Uh, it's really quite excellent." "Strange. It actually pleases me to hear you say that." "I have no idea what you're talking about." "Of course you do, Madam. The more you proclaim your ignorance, the more you attempt to mislead me, the more I am on to you -- your every silence speaks volumes." "Good, then if you know what I'm saying when I'm not saying anything, what do you need me around for? Thanks for the tea and crumpets, but I guess I'll be going." "Where? Back to here?" " Yes, would you care to join me?"

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!" "Then he marry sixteen wives." "Sixteen?" "Yes-four richer, four poorer, four better, and four worse!" "I thought she was talking about her boyfriend." "She no have time for boyfriend-she too busy getting hold of the Husbands." "How many husbands are there?" "Six." "Six?" "One of the Husbands is a girl." "One of the husbands is a girl?" "Yes. That's Murray Husband. Then there is, uh, Donny Husband.... and little Jimmy Husband, who sing 'I'm a Rong-Haired Rover from Riverpool'." "How is the old reverend gentleman?" "He's a Canon now." "Wow. My Daddy, a Canon. Well I'll be a son-of-a-gun!" "You've been at 'the front', fighting for peace." "Now I'm home, now I want a piece of what I was fighting for!" "Listen to this: *reads aloud* Define the following words: 'relax'- 'a piece of dark chocolate' lagoon- 'a French idiot' 'macadam'- 'the first Scotsman' 'What is a sausage?' 'A hamburger in tights'???"

We don't know THEY aren't done with lcm. This guy, "Stanley", HE's not done with lcm. I forget whether or not he's one of the people who heard lcm admitted to wrongdoing in a court of law and still refuses to accept the word of lcm on his own conduct.

As J1m D00p wrote concerning when vpw asked him.... ""As we relaxed and had a second drink, he asked Judy and me to describe what it was like to attend an orgy. We were taken back by the question and embarassed by it, because even though it was part of our testimony in our deliverance from sin to God's righteousness, no one had ever asked us to describe what it was like to go to an orgy. We found his curiousity shocking. But we gave him a brief description which is really all we could give him since our encounter with an orgy had been so brief. We had attended one orgy sponsored by the San Francisco Sexual Freedom League, but we were so overwhelmed by the spectacle that we had left after twenty minutes. 'You know that's all available," V.P. said. 'God put it in I Corinthians 7:1 which He said "It is good for a man not to touch a woman." If it wasn't available to have sex outside the marriage God would have said "best" instead of "good". I could not believe what I was hearing. I responded with 'I just thank God that He pulled our souls out of that pit of debauchery.' When Judy and I went to bed, I said to her, 'I don't believe what he said tonight, and I'm going to forget it. I must have misunderstood him.' " Sunesis, was it you I was quoting, who was friends with D00p and was told, by him.. "Weirwille flew out there, telling folks it was to talk with Jim about the Bible and witness or something to him. Jim told me Weirwille flew out there to LEARN from Jimmy about the free sex thinking. Weirwille said he always believed sex should be free and allowed with as many as you feel you want to be with -- but could NEVER prove it from the Bible. He was there to see if Jimmy could prove it was okay via scripture. D0*p never really could and was more of a hippie minister than a sexual pervert looking for Biblical validation."

Whenever I see someone using the twi-speak words like "churchianity", I suspect there's going to be some shallow logic in part of the discussion. "Churchianity" is meant to refer to "all Christians except twi" or occasionally "all Christians except twi-style". This supposed "Churchianity" is where vpw got Bullinger's info (Bullinger was connected with churches and Christian organizations for his adult life), Stiles' info (the book, and meeting him at that conference), and Leonard's info (Leonard was training Christians who could go back to their congregations and serve wherever they and God deemed necessary and proper). Without "churchianity", vpw would have found no Bullinger, no Stiles, no Leonard. Without them, all vpw had was the "law" of believing -which is seen in the REST of the Word-Faith movement as well, since they all ripped off Kenyon- and Lamsa's Aramaic stuff, most of which has been shown as quaint cottage ideas and errors ('stories' or 'fairytales'). That would have been about 1 session's worth of pfal if it was done, or 2 sessions if he stretched the material with a lot of jokes. I believe Christians as a whole contributed to the Bible's knowledge and application than ALL the twi people together,which probably isn't what you MEANT, but it is what you said... Weren't there when he drugged and raped young, barely-legal females, either, I take it. "affairs" is a euphemism, and an extreme one. It's like calling what Jeffrey Dahmer did "an odd diet." So, were vpw's felonies acceptable because "the class ran"?No need to answer, your posts have already suggested they WERE... And people killing children by putting them through the fire to offer to Molech, or taking money to curse God's people, or using one's authority as God's leader to abuse the women. (There IS nothing new under the sun.) Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's approved of, and just because it's in the Bible doesn't make it an "unusual doctrine" (like incorruptible seed, sons of God, etc.) Finally, the fellowship/sonship thing was largely inflated from an interesting footnote to a significant point in pfal. As for dispensationalism, a lot of Christians are not convinced it's in Scripture (possibily because there are none named IN Scripture, so if they exist, they're not that important.)

There's a congregation of Charismatic Christian werewolves in Brazil???

You have the right series, and one of the characters. If you review the first three quotes, you may get the episode.....

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!" "Then he marry sixteen wives." "Sixteen?" "Yes-four richer, four poorer, four better, and four worse!" "I thought she was talking about her boyfriend." "She no have time for boyfriend-she too busy getting hold of the Husbands." "How many husbands are there?" "Six." "Six?" "One of the Husbands is a girl." "One of the husbands is a girl?" "Yes. That's Murray Husband. Then there is, uh, Donny Husband.... and little Jimmy Husband, who sing 'I'm a Rong-Haired Rover from Riverpool'."

Baby boomers generally have more CASH than the youths.

" The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..." "Does he have life? He's a machine -- but is that all he is?" "No. He is more." "Exactly. Is the definition of life 'cogito ergo sum'? I think, therefore I am?" "That's one possible definition." "It is the most important one and for me..the only one that matters."

Seems to me that home churches are the obvious approach for vpw to use. He never believed in spending a single penny on people that couldn't be done without. If they met in living rooms, the group didn't have to pay for facilities. Mind you, setting up permanent church facilities in areas would have benefitted the Christians locally, and could have increased outreach, and served the community. However, that wasn't a good tradeoff for not getting money in his hands, as vpw saw it. Although he WAS fine with buying houses in areas, which generated income (rent) besides serving as pseudo church facilities.

It would help if you named specific doctrines, and asked about their origins. In the case of the non-Trinity stuff, it's been stated before that vpw BEGAN as a Trinitarian (there's old documents somewhere, which I've seen, where vpw sent a letter somewhere and his greeting included a reference to the Trinity. That was back when he was toying with the Ecumenical movement (possibly trolling them for recruits, possibly for other reasons.) If you want to look specifically for his Trinity positions, I'd recommend looking at discussions of Leonard's specific doctrines. Leonard's made some statements that are NOT Trinitarian, and I THINK they were in his book subtitled "the water in the bottle." Someone more familiar with Leonard will have to chime in here. (Or you can dig up the old posts on it.) vpw was introduced to Leonard's stuff sometime before 1953, and in 1953 he attended BG's class, which became "vpw's class" a few months later. vpw was quite good at passing along material from others without necessarily understanding it, so just because vpw got his specific beliefs from Leonard doesn't guarantee they were an ACCURATE reflection of Leonard. vpw's been known to flub Bullinger as well. As for vpw secretly saying God was ok with orgies, that was history as of when he went to Haight-Ashbury to the House of Acts to hijack the hippies. He told J1m D00p that at the time. ======== As for WHY twi adopted non-traditional doctrines, it's my opinion that this was one of vpw's PRIMARY approaches. Even Mrs W's accounts of twi (in her book, "Born Again to Serve") showed him trying to work with young people (as does Uncle Harry's account in TW:LiL.) He specifically TARGETTED the youths from the beginning of his career. Do you attract them by sticking to tradition? NO- if you want to maximize NUMBERS and NUMBERS matter most to you, you will look for something NEW and DIFFERENT, something shiny, to try to draw them. The natural rebellious streak will make it more likely they'll give your group a second look. If you look at ALL the sources vpw used, it's pretty obvious that the only thing he used that was standard was Young's Concordance, and everything else was taken from sources as OBSCURE as possible, or DIFFERENT as possible. "Look, I have something you've never heard before! I got it directly from God, who promised it's the first time for 2000 years Christians have heard it! This is the secret "original Christian" stuff! You can't get it anywhere else, because they don't have my special connection with God Almighty!"

It is. You probably haven't seen it recently. It is not.

(Come on, I know some of you know this episode, it's not obscure....) " The entire point of something like this is to hand-make it. Just as you have used Old England in a hobby of your own." "Look at all of the detail... and everything here has some significance?" "He purchased this in a pawn shop in Tottenham Court Road for fifty-five shillings, which he considered a very good investment." "To feel the thrill of a victory...there must be the possibility of failure. Where's the victory winning a battle you can't possibly lose?" "Like the spider, I feel the strings vibrate whenever anyone new chances into my web." "I have read her expressions -- what she has not said is as important as her words..."

"Do unto others-then run." "Relax. Do you understand 'relax'?" "Yes-a little piece of dark chocolate." "'Omelet', ja, to be, or not to be, that is the question!" "And this is the answer! *smack* Dumbkopf!" "After the meal, you will want an after-dinner mint. You will need an after-dinner 'mint' to pay for the bill! But ve, of course, haff conquered inflation. Just as ve conquered Poland. And Czechoslovakia..." "No, I'm wearing black for my poor, departed husband." "Oh... how long's he been gone? " "Ten minutes. He won't be back till 1." "Drink and sex. That's what killed your uncle - drink and sex!" "Yeah. He couldn't get either, so he shot himself." "With the way you treat me, people would think I was the cook here." "Not if they came to dinner." "How do women get ahold of your Lotharios?" "Not as often as I'd like..." "Hello? Brown Owl here. No, not brown ale, Brown Owl. Is that the Black Fox? Is that YOU, BF? Yes, well this is...BO. Of course I know Moscow. It's where the Kremlin lives." "Dagger? Oh, he poisoned her. Well, when you said he 'gave her arsenic', I thought..." "How did you choose him?" "I chose him because he represents the youth of Great Britain." "How old is he?" "58. He's a late developer." "He looks older." "Well, he worries a lot." "That's because I'm using Fairly Liquid. It contains lemon juice." "Lemon juice?" "Yes, lemon juice. That's what gives it its nice sparkle." "Sparkle?" "Yes, sparkle. That's what makes everything all lovely and fresh." "Fresh?" "Yes, fresh. Are you bloody STUPID or something???" "I think for me, the most memorable moment in films was when you played the doctor to that sick family." "'Inherit the Wind." Yes, I remember." "Opposite Margaret Lockwood's nurse . . ." "That's right. Yes, I know what you're going to say, the scene in the operating theatre." "That's the scene. You kissed her when she least expected it." "I beg your pardon?" "You kissed her when she least expected it." "Oh, I thought you said 'where'. " "What about him? He makes an Egg Foo Young, it's not 'egg', it's not 'young', it's just 'foo'!" "He should have put more men on the job!"

Short for the band name "Pressed Down, Shaken Together and Running Over". It was one of the "earlier" bands, that is, before Acts 29, mostly. IIRC, the song "Body, Soul and Spirit" was theirs and later covered by other bands.

True. Large numbers of detainees are admitted to have lost their lives as the result of being detained in that place and time. Compare that to ANY prison in the US in the 20th century. Someone will drop dead eventually, but LARGE NUMBERS? Typhus isn't exactly a common disease, either. Admitting large numbers of people died- but the METHOD of death seems to be obscured. "They weren't executed-they died of gross neglect." I also note that all the known executions at the OTHER sites isn't being challenged- it's as if the Holocaust denier he's quoting only knows the most FAMOUS site. I never sat down to study their names, for example, and even I can rattle off the name Dachau as well. Then again, Dachau was a "concentration camp" (designated specifically for imprisonment), and Auschwitz was an "extermination camp/death camp" (designated specifically for mass executions of prisoners), and neither was a "forced labour camp" (designated specifically to employ prisoners as workers). Any of them COULD kill you, but extermination camps had that as their PRIMARY purpose. The exact numbers of prisoners and executions in Auschwitz-Berkenau (aka "Auschwitz) cannot be reached precisely due to lack of the original records. (Tinfoil hats, naturally, will say the Allies had the records and destroyed them.) However, there's been different estimates using different figures, and the numbers given by that commandant were only one set, with one derivation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp "The exact number of victims at Auschwitz is impossible to fix with certainty. Since Germans destroyed a number of records, immediate efforts to count the dead depended on the testimony of witnesses and the defendants on trial at Nuremberg. While under interrogation Rudolf Höß, commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp from 1940 to 1943, said that two and a half million Jews had been killed in gas chambers and about half a million died "naturally". Later he wrote "I regard two and a half million far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive possibilities". The Auschwitz Death Book, recently uncovered in Soviet archives, is an example of logged records (pertaining only to registered inmates), but other examples of collected figures are scarce. Communist Soviet and Polish authorities maintained a figure "between 2.5 and 4 million". The figure "4,000,000" was used on the original Auschwitz memorial plaques. The plaques did not specify the ethnicities of victims. In 1983 , French scholar George Wellers was one of the first to use German data on deportations to estimate the number killed at Auschwitz, arriving at 1.613 million dead, including 1.44 million Jews and 146,000 Catholic Poles. A larger study started around the same time by Franciszek Piper used time tables of train arrivals combined with deportation records to calculate 1.1 million Jewish deaths and 140,000-150,000 ethnic Polish victims, along with 23,000 Roma & Sinti (Gypsies). This number has met with "significant, though not complete" agreement among scholars." Of course, those are just the figures for Auschwitz-Birkenau, and not ALL the death-camps.

Now that you mentioned it, vpw wore one of those ugly things for the CFS class. For the first several minutes, I couldn't hear him over such a loud outfit. Every other class, there was a suit and tie on the teacher, but this one, his idea of casual-wear. I was told it was because he wanted people to relax for that class. However, it was a significant distraction for me.

I've mentioned it before. The HOMILETICIST had no problems using imaginary people in his lessons, like the 2 men whom everyone hated who sat in a room and just believed, and reality shuffled to accomodate them, and the mother whose fear reached out and forced a driver to crash into and kill her son. Similarly, we never heard of him reaching out to that supposed drunk again, either to fix what he did wrong, or otherwise make an effort to reach him. All his effort was from the podium when teaching. Then again, it's possible that there was a real person, but his ability to care about him left once the man walked away. After all, vpw demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that people were DISPOSABLE to him at other times, in other places. It's possible he just didn't CARE to make an effort to reach him once he walked out. A human being's value lay only in his presence as an object lesson, unless he was giving money to his church.