WordWolf

"You will unite or you will fall." "All shall love me and despair!" "I suppose you think that was terribly clever." "Fly, you fools." "If anyone was to ask for my opinion, which I note they're not, I'd say we were taking the long way around." " Throw yourself in next time, and rid us of your stupidity."

I'll answer this right after I get tired molesting this atomic pile over here.....

As to the original question asked here, I must say "No." I did once speak in tongues for a fellow who was Jewish. He found the particular cadences of the tongue I spoke in (which, like everything else about me, was unique and idiosyncratic) to remind him of certain worship that they did, basically chanting verses from the Torah. He demonstrated, and yes, they sounded like the same cadences (pacing, spaces, stressed syllables) but with completely different words, perhaps like comparing one Romance language with another. The things that convinced me more were instances involving "prophecy" or "interpretation." I'll say that much, but I've said before I'm not posting the specifics in cyberspace on them. They were more convincing FOR ME.

"You will unite or you will fall." "All shall love me and despair!"

If you mean "am I naive to just accept everything twi said about the Bible?" If that's what you mean, then, yes, you ARE naive. If you mean "Am I naive because I believe the Bible is God's Word?" That's a cornerstone (depending on how it's meant) of Christianity. Many survivors of twi read the Bible, think for themselves, and trust God. Sometimes they agree with something vpw said, ("Mary is the mother of Jesus"), and sometimes they don't ("what you believe, you receive.") Generally, you can find a Christian of nearly every opinion SOMEWHERE on this site. (Including the ones who think vpw was a nice guy.) If you believe the Bible, do like the Bereans. When they were taught, they searched the Scriptures daily, to see if what they were taught lined up with the Bible. Oh, and sometimes we can disagree but still respect each other, and sometimes we can overlook minor doctrinal differences in favor of the big picture. (Don't pretend they don't exist-just don't fixate on them, is all.)

Ok, time to move this along. This is "Iron Man", which is STILL in theaters in the US. I was referring to their song "I Am Iron Man".... If you saw the movie, this would probably have been a giveaway... This line appeared in most of the commercials.

I wanted this one for the other thread, but I couldn't find enough quotes.

That's it. "Paradise Lost." Some of the writers were disappointed the episode budget was too small-it meant they didn't have enough extras to get across the impression there were Starfleet all OVER the place. The preceeding episode was Grandpa Joe refusing blood-screenings, and nobody taking the threat seriously. Then there's a blackout, and Starfleet drops Security officers everywhere, and everyone's cooperating. That's where this episode begins. However, the blackout was engineered by Admiral Leyton, who did it to get people to agree with him. He had Red Squad do the blackout-which is why they weren't scared of what it meant. Also, the previous episode showed the Wormhole opening and closing, as if cloaked ships were passing through it. But that was design as well-and the Defiant was bringing the saboteur-who confessed-to Earth. Layton was willing to have the Lakota destroy the Defiant (if it could) to stop that. THIS script on that idea made sense, IMHO. There was at least one other where it didn't...

"Paradise has never seemed so...well-armed." "Are you sure re-opening the restaurant is a good idea?" "Jake, it's been four days since the power outage... have you seen any Dominion invasion fleet?" "No." "Neither have I." Besides, at my age, I don't have time to waste sitting at home being bored." "There's hardly anyone out on the street. You're not going to have any customers." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "All I see are security officers." "And I bet not one of them's had a good meal in four days. Now do your grandfather a favor... and start chopping the okra." "That's strange. During the blackout, Starfleet mobilized hundreds of units. Why would they have demobilized Red Squad?" "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess." "Is this a secure line?" "It is at my end." "One moment. Sorry, Captain. But I think you'll agree, this is a time for caution." "Absolutely." "Does Admiral Leyton know about this report?" "He hasn't mentioned it to me." "Listen to me, Captain. I want that record erased before anyone else sees it. Is that understood?" "I'll take care of it immediately." "Good. That report could cause us a lot of trouble. I'm glad you spotted it." "So am I. I'd hate to see the members of Red Squad get into any trouble." "Are you sure this cadet is telling the truth?" "He admitted to committing acts of treason against the Federation. If he was going to lie, I think he would've come up with a better story." "You weren't so happy about being tested a few days ago." "That was before the changelings sabotaged the power grid." "I'm afraid I owe you an apology, Ben." "The way I see it, you owe a lot of people an apology." "I wish I could've told you the truth from the beginning. But somehow I suspected we wouldn't see eye-to-eye on this thing." "You're willing to destroy paradise in order to save it." "It looks like Leyton's been a busy man. He's personally reassigned over four hundred officers in the past three weeks." "Do you recognize any of these names?" "A lot of them. Daneeka, McWatt, Snowden, Orr, Moodus, they were all officers on the Okinawa when I was Leyton's X.O. As far as I can tell, every officer on this list served under Leyton at one time or another." "I've sent the Lakota to intercept the Defiant. " "Do you really think one Starfleet ship will fire on another?" "I wish I'd taught you more about the importance of loyalty." "You want to talk to me about loyalty? After you broke your oath to the Federation, lied to the people of Earth, and ordered one of our starships to fire on another? You don't have the right."

1 Timothy 3 "1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil." I Timothy 3 " 1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil."

"Paradise has never seemed so...well-armed." "There's hardly anyone out on the street. You're not going to have any customers." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "All I see are security officers." "And I bet not one of them's had a good meal in four days." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess." "Is this a secure line?" "It is at my end." "One moment. Sorry, Captain. But I think you'll agree, this is a time for caution." "Absolutely." "Does Admiral Leyton know about this report?" "He hasn't mentioned it to me." "Listen to me, Captain. I want that record erased before anyone else sees it. Is that understood?" "I'll take care of it immediately." "Good. That report could cause us a lot of trouble. I'm glad you spotted it." "So am I. I'd hate to see the members of Red Squad get into any trouble." "Are you sure this cadet is telling the truth?" "He admitted to committing acts of treason against the Federation. If he was going to lie, I think he would've come up with a better story." "I'm afraid I owe you an apology, Ben." "The way I see it, you owe a lot of people an apology." "I wish I could've told you the truth from the beginning. But somehow I suspected we wouldn't see eye-to-eye on this thing." "You're willing to destroy paradise in order to save it." "It looks like Leyton's been a busy man. He's personally reassigned over four hundred officers in the past three weeks." "Do you recognize any of these names?" "A lot of them. Daneeka, McWatt, Snowden, Orr, Moodus, they were all officers on the Okinawa when I was Leyton's X.O. As far as I can tell, every officer on this list served under Leyton at one time or another." "I've sent the Lakota to intercept the Defiant. " "Do you really think one Starfleet ship will fire on another?" "I wish I'd taught you more about the importance of loyalty." "You want to talk to me about loyalty? After you broke your oath to the Federation, lied to the people of Earth, and ordered one of our starships to fire on another? You don't have the right."

Close enough! The artist is correct- Meat Loaf. (Gordon Aday, but his driver's license says "Meat Loaf", I hear.) The title is "Paradise by the Dashboard Light." What a team on this one! Meat Loaf on vocals, Jim Steinman's lyrics, of course. Todd Rundgren on guitar, Max Weinberg on drums, Edgar Winter on saxophone. And, of course, featuring Scooter (Phil Rizzuto) as the radio announcer. Here's a link to the lyrics, for the curious: http://www.qgm.com/meatloaf/lyrics/paradise.html Here's the video of the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ns8t9iQck BTW, Phil Rizzuto didn't seem to get the hang of how they wanted him to read. He was in the studio, and just reading the script matter-of-factly. They were there trying to explain, doing visuals by running and sliding into base, and finally, he said "Oh-you want me to read this like it's a play-by-play at a game." Of course-why ELSE would they call in a SPORTS ANNOUNCER in a ROCK SONG! :) Glad we could get this thread moving again...

*sprays George with a fire extinguisher*

"Ok, here we go, we got a real pressure cooker going here, two down, nobody on, no score, bottom of the ninth, there's the wind-up and there it is, a line shot up the middle, look at him go. This boy can really fly! He's rounding first and really turning it on now, he's not letting up at all, he's gonna try for second; the ball is bobbled out in center, and here comes the throw, and what a throw! He's gonna slide in head first, here he comes, he's out! No, wait, safe--safe at second base, this kid really makes things happen out there. Batter steps up to the plate, here's the pitch--he's going, and what a jump he's got, he's trying for third, here's the throw, it's in the dirt--safe at third! Holy cow, stolen base! He's taking a pretty big lead out there, almost daring him to try and pick him off. The pitcher glances over, winds up, and it's bunted, bunted down the third base line, the suicide squeeze is on! Here he comes, squeeze play, it's gonna be close, here's the throw, there's the play at the plate, holy cow, I think he's gonna make it....."

"Paradise has never seemed so...well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess." "Is this a secure line?" "It is at my end." "One moment. Sorry, Captain. But I think you'll agree, this is a time for caution." "Absolutely." "Does Admiral Leyton know about this report?" "He hasn't mentioned it to me." "Listen to me, Captain. I want that record erased before anyone else sees it. Is that understood?" "I'll take care of it immediately." "Good. That report could cause us a lot of trouble. I'm glad you spotted it." "So am I. I'd hate to see the members of Red Squad get into any trouble." "Are you sure this cadet is telling the truth?" "He admitted to committing acts of treason against the Federation. If he was going to lie, I think he would've come up with a better story." "I'm afraid I owe you an apology, Ben." "The way I see it, you owe a lot of people an apology." "I wish I could've told you the truth from the beginning. But somehow I suspected we wouldn't see eye-to-eye on this thing."

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess." "Is this a secure line?" "It is at my end." "One moment. Sorry, Captain. But I think you'll agree, this is a time for caution." "Absolutely." "Does Admiral Leyton know about this report?" "He hasn't mentioned it to me." "Listen to me, Captain. I want that record erased before anyone else sees it. Is that understood?" "I'll take care of it immediately." "Good. That report could cause us a lot of trouble. I'm glad you spotted it." "So am I. I'd hate to see the members of Red Squad get into any trouble."

It seems you think this is "the Valiant." It is not.....

I don't know what she did, but I know Walter taught a class, "Fundamentals of Biblical Research." It was available on Beta, audiocassette, and VHS. (I don't have the Beta version, but I have the others.)

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess."

*continues blasting Black Sabbath and ignoring the round*

Walter did both. I took both. lcm later had "Dealing with the Adversary" redone in some short-lived form called "Our Spiritual Contest". This was in keeping with his "Athletes of the Spirit" paradigm he was pushing. I never heard much about it. (I don't know who taught it.) Sometime later, he came out with his own "Defeating the Adversary" class. Oh, and "Fundamentals of Biblical Research"-that was Walter.

It wouldn't surprise me. In honesty, lcm didn't report that these were specific ideas that vpw had that Harry put the skids under, just that they were ideas vpw had for the property. The accounts of Harry stopping vpw from off-the-wall ideas were separate from this. When I hear ideas like these, I think they're TYPICAL of the types of ideas Harry put a stop to. The one about the houses wasn't dependent upon Gunnison, however. Then again, Harry never stopped that idea, it just never took off. Few people wanted to donate a house to twi.

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside."

You're kidding. Ok, give me a minute...

I won't argue that, but there's a certain practicality to require some proof the student's retained some information if they're supposedly preparing to take a class that's supposed to be "Advanced." So, it's a checklist to see if he's indoctrinated himself sufficiently that they can cover new material and not just recap the old stuff. IMHO, it became largely redundant once pfal classes were being rerun each season in many areas. Just sitting through the taped class ensured-by osmosis if by no other reason- that the material was largely covered. After all, what's in the books was mostly what was in the class. (In case anyone's curious, I did my Home Studies inside of 2 weeks when I was preparing for the Advanced class.)