WordWolf

Well, this thread's gone a number of pages. Except for the fact that there's new posters who've read it and understood what's happening without difficulty, this is pretty much the same type of thread we had all the way back at the waydale forums. We have people who were direct eyewitnesses of things that happened, who have said "I was in the room when this happened", and we have people determined to do everything they can to attempt to silence or discredit their testimony, despite not being where and when it happened, and using every tool, starting with calling them liars without having the courage to use the word "liar", to claiming their unchanging testimony has changed, to claiming ulterior motives to those who've come forth, to claiming to be able to read their minds as to details and what they did and didn't do, and so on. Anything they personally didn't see didn't happen, especially if it was something unpleasant. And anyone saying so must produce ludicrous amounts of evidence to back up things they were witnesses of....all to silence unpleasant information. Truth is truth, even when it is UNPLEASANT truth. And love is often easy to see in progress. And those who CLAIM to love while doing otherwise, well, is it that hard to tell?

I misunderstood you. Please accept my apology.

Jeff Sjo may be new here, but he's making up for lost time on the Gems list.... I don't say this every day....I am impressed.

In the version I heard, the door was opened by a 12-year old boy. He's wearing a fedora, and a towel is tied around his neck like a cape. He has a cigar in his mouth, a snifter of brandy in his left hand, and a tv remote control in his right. (This kid was really maximizing his time...)

How true! Several posters said this is what they were told PERSONALLY. That is a fact. WD claims they are lying. That is an opinion. This is not difficult for most people to track.

Wayne Gretsky's in this movie????

Thanks for the link. For those wondering, I scanned the link, and it came up clean. (Can't be too careful nowadays...) I downloaded the zip file and extracted it, too. Amazing how much text can fit when it's left as a simple txt file rather than bloated into a doc or something.

Funny thing- I know a song that begins ALMOST with this line, so it's probably a completely DIFFERENT song.

I've posted-and post-on boards with LOTS of Trinitarians who are loving. Except when there's certain doctrinal discussions, things tend to go very smoothly- and I've yet to see any board where SOMETHING wasn't controversial.

Mr Hammeroni did as well. I agreed with Ham... Nobody was "ugly" with you. Mild sarcasm, at best, is what I said, which is what you quoted. It RESPONDED to what you ALREADY posted, and had nothing to do with your imaginary "baiting". Someone gave personal testimony. You said "liar." We contested your response. That's not "baiting." The claim, however, looks like someone ELSE was given bad doctrine from twi, suffered by trying to carry it out, and YOU'RE claiming to be the suffering one because you heard later that some people were taught some stuff you didn't like or agree with. How about a drop of sympathy for the ones who actually had to try to LIVE it? This may come as a shock, but the people who are SPEAKING UP about twi are here. Those who wish to remain silent, or refuse to remember, or insist it was all sweetness and light, DON'T come here. And "here", we have people from all over the country (and countries), and across twi's decades, including recent evacuees. Different people, who were in different places at different times, have come forth and said it was taught to them. The logical approach is to admit they probably WERE taught that-even if you weren't. Nero replied again: As did Watered Garden. As did rascal. Your continuing to dismiss accounts of different people from different places and different times as all being part of some singular imaginary "Greasespot region" was responded to by Tom, and I think he has the right of it.

Oh, WD, want to change the subject and draw some heat off of John? Ok, I'll bite. Don't pretend to be an injured party, it's a poor fit. Here's a quick recap to what happened: rascal said YOU used the OLD posting style-from all the way back to waydale, even, to say Which was used, as of old, to take someone's personal testimony, and, instead of saying "I wasn't in the room when it was taught," you said "I wasn't taught this-therefore it wasn't taught and you're a liar". OLD posting style. Don't pretend it's not what you were saying. I replied to YOUR post with That was a reminder that-as has come up a lot-different people were told different things in twi, and not everyone's experience was identical. Just as some things you were taught were supposedly close to perfect, others have reported things they were taught that were far from perfect. There's room for both of you to tell the truth and say different things. Your reply? Repeating you're calling it a lie-without saying the WORD "lie", of course... potato spoke up, as someone ELSE who heard this.... And rascal replied As did Nero.

It's one of my favourites! Yes, let's see who else chimes in.

Ah, I see. However, I DID post a first line this time... :)

This was an improvement. This was NOT an improvement.Microsoft frequently fixes security problems very, very late. IE 7 has better security than 6.0, and has more functionality for websites, some of which won't render as well under 6.0 as they do under 7.0. Up to you as to whether you want to upgrade or not, but why aren't you using Firefox? http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ Ah, you're just using the Windows internal firewall? You're trusting MICROSOFT for your system security? :blink:

Actually, ces HAD a messageboard, but they SHUT IT DOWN. It was upon request of ces-people that this subforum's info arrived. So, if ces people go anywhere to have OPEN COMMUNICATION, it seems the GSC is the only game in town!

Robin Williams Good Morning, Vietnam Robert Wuhl

Is this "South Park"?

I'm supposing waysider was right. Although we're not RESTRICTED to OPENING lines to songs, a few of those are rather recognizable: "Please allow me to introduce myself- I'm a man of wealth and taste."

Of course, if it's not in writing, nobody was ever told it, no matter how many GSC'ers insist they were told EXACTLY THAT by corps, LC and so on.

She's done stand-up, and "Mystery Men", and a few other things. What's that one she called something like "Cyrano"? Oh, right! the Truth about Cats and Dogs Uma Thurman Batman & Robin

A number of places, this came up here and there, usually NOT during the teachings, but during other activities and "down-time." Usually, it came up TO A WOMAN, since it was about what they expected HER to do. Since you're a guy, it's less likely you would get this lecture. The lecture you would get would be about making sure your wife knew who was boss, and about making all the decisions. Oh, that's right, I forgot.... if it wasn't in a class or in print, it never happened in twi, how silly of me.... <_<

I think we could have gotten it just from the first line you posted...

Yes, that's the episode called "the Wire." I was just about to post some easier-to-identify quotes. Bashir's all over this episode as he tries to fix Garak. The problem was, Garak had been using the thing as a sort of narcotic, since he hated living on the station. Eventually, he left it on, and when it started to break down and it was shut off, his body was dependent upon its effects. Garak also spun Bashir a number of stories of what he did that got him fired from the Obsidian Order- he killed innocents, no-he let innocents go, no-he had a falling out with his friend Elim, and Elim framed him before he finished framing Elim, and so on..... ...then Bashir finds out Elim's Garak's first name! Go, George.

For those who missed it the first time, I thought I'd bring this one back.