WordWolf

Or "Hope Floats", maybe? (And Tom was teasing.)

Think about it for a moment. I'm pretty confident that the same thread with the same title would get more people opening it to read if it was from you than from me. From me, it's a little predictable. From you, more people will be curious to see where it's going, which I think would lead to more participation.

John, are you interested in making a new thread, opening discussion on that? Not everyone who'd respond is reading this one. If you are, I'd recommend opening it in Open, the general category. I'd start it, but it's your suggestion, and I'd really just cut-and-paste what you just said. I don't know what would result, but I think opening a discussion on this would be a good idea.

If this was a court of law, that "burdon" WOULD be on all the posters. However, it is NOT a court of law, and, WD's impressions notwithstanding, people can-and are EXPECTED TO, PAW SAID SO- COME FORTH AND GIVE PERSONAL TESTIMONY, AS EYEWITNESS OR VICTIM, AND SAY "THIS HAPPENED TO ME, TWI DID THIS, VPW DID THIS, LCM DID THIS. They are NOT required to produce DNA samples nor videotaped evidence of same. Attempts to say otherwise are attempts to hide from what happened- or to SILENCE those who suffered. "...I have tried to keep memory alive, I have tried to fight those who would forget. Because if we forget, we are guilty, we are accomplices... I swore never to be silent whenever, wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation... Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." -Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech, December 10, 1986.

On women being raped, molested and/or coerced... "Just because you are coerced does not mean you have to comply That is a personal choice that each must be accountable for." http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=391443

Now you can read their minds, and know the SOLE reason they could elect not to go to trial is that they thought they could not win their case? Do you know what it's like to be dragged through a lengthy court-case, with the defense's attorneys calling the victim a whore and a liar? It's even worse than here when some posters keep suggesting that of the victims. "Just because you are coerced does not mean you have to comply." That's a remarkable statement that is both true and false. Technically, one is able to choose- however, in any practical sense, the choice is limited. During the days of slavery in the American South, a slave was coerced to work as a slave. That did not mean he has to comply. He can choose to try to escape, or elect to refuse to work. This will mean a whipping, and he may be scarred for life, and repeats could end with a crippling injury or a death, but he does not HAVE to comply. Being honest with the data would include NOT EXTRAPOLATING FROM NONREPRESENTATIVE DATA. It's easy to pull a nonrepresentative sample, and extrapolate to the general population. If one polled the chatroom at the right moment, one could extrapolate that 80% of the membership of twi was raped or molested by vpw, lcm or someone vpw taught to rape and molest. It's dishonest, but one could pretend it's not. Equally, it's dishonest to take the results of a poll where A FEW GSCers in the HISTORY of GSC have responded, and claim it represents THE ENTIRETY of GSCers in the HISTORY of GSC. In that timeframe, I'd say about 100 posters have been posting. So, 7 people out of 100, or 7%, would be represented here, and that's only counting the ones here NOW. And claiming 100,000 were ever "involved" in the way is also non-representative. It was claimed by twi based on the number of people who ever SIGNED UP for pfal. Not everyone who signed up EVER SHOWED UP. Not everyone who showed up at Session 1 completed Session 12. Not everyone who completed Session 12 was around for more than that (some took it and made tracks.) Not everyone who stayed after Session 12 stayed more than a few months. I'd say the history of twi included some 50,000 people EVER who were around for more than 3 months, and as many as 38,000 were around at the same time, as of its height in 1979-1982. Just because you "see" something with the data doesn't mean it's so. I'd suggest "re-examining" the data, but I expect you'd get the same results, since you'd approach it the same way each time.

This is "unsourced", meaning no attempt to find Einstein actually SAYING it has succeeded to date. (Per his "wikiquote" page-if you can find a specific SOURCE, a place and time where he said it, we can amend the wikiquote page, but I'd be rather shocked.) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein Einstein DID, however, verifiably say the following: "But let us not forget that human knowledge and skills alone cannot lead humanity to a happy and dignified life. Humanity has every reason to place the proclaimers of high moral standards and values above the discoverers of objective truth. What humanity owes to personalities like Buddha, Moses, and Jesus ranks for me higher than all the achievements of the enquiring and constructive mind." "The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer." "Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot." "No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

I've waited until I could actually address this with any real sense of attention. First of all, the lcm version was doo-doo. Even IN twi, I couldn't make it work. The "whole armour" was "panoplian." The interlinear transliterates it into "panoply." a "panoply" is the complete equipment-set a soldier would carry. When I fenced back in college, I could fit my uniform, protective gear, and everything else, all into one fencing bag. (It was like a duffel-bag in size.) I had no trouble understanding one set of everything. However, lcm, the athlete, INSISTED that these MILITARY terms COULD and WERE translated more properly into athletic symbolism, and had to use typical lcm "logic" to turn a SHIELD into a DISCUS and so on. Having been an athlete FAMILIAR WITH WEAPONRY, I didn't feel obsessed to say the verses agreed with that, or with MY sport, for that matter. (I DID use fencing once to teach, but I didn't say the verses were about fencing, just how its tenets had uses in doing God's Will. (And not that they were PARAMOUNT, either.) The "whole armour" is for the "wiles of the devil", they're for lies, deceit, and so on. Charles G. Coleman wrote a book called "The Shining Sword." It was intended to be an allegory, written for children, concerning this very subject AND the walk of the Christian. Me, I found it a great book, and only stopped recommending it when it went out of print. It may be IN print again, in which case, I STRONGLY recommend it. It includes a section where a new soldier of the Lord is receiving his whole armour, piece by piece, and each piece's purpose is being explained to him. The best explanation I've ever given on the subject was just to read those few pages aloud. http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Boo...58&event=CF Apparently, it's in print- since these people have it IN STOCK and I couldn't find it in stock around 2003. Format: Paperback Number of Pages: 160 Vendor: Zeezok Publishing Dimensions: 8.5 X 5.5 (inches) ISBN: 1933573058 ISBN-13: 9781933573052 "Product Description The Shining Sword is sure to help children grasp the concept of putting on the whole armor of God. Beautifully written, the story pulls the reader in from the first chapter, and the updated pen and ink illustrations only add to the narrative. Children and adults will be able to readily relate to the experiences of Lanus and the other soldiers of the King. This allegorical presentation of believers' lives as knights or soldiers of Christ will captivate anyone's imagination. In some respects, The Shining Sword will remind older readers of the story of Pilgrim's Progress, but the focus in The Shining Sword is on using each of the pieces of the armor of God wisely and correctly. In particular, readers learn along with new knight Lanus how to wield the Word of God (the sword) in various situations. While intended for readers from ages 8 to 13, it is a read-aloud story that will capture the attention and interest of any reader or listener. It is a tale that presents tremendous discussion opportunities on what it means to be a knight of the King in the spiritual warfare that all believers face daily."

Right. And Brutus is an honorable man.

Actually, the rest of us are pretty secure. We don't do wrong things, so even if someone invented an accusation against us, it's not a big deal. It's the people who have a track record of doing wrong that can't dismiss claims-since they're probably not invented, they're probably true.

Has this messageboard been replaced with a COURT OF LAW when I wasn't looking? People telling their personal stories, of things they've suffered-which is ONE of the purposes of the GSC- is, by definition, HEARSAY unless they caught the afflicter on videotape. Pawtucket has said, recently:

The GSC does not have to provide "equal time." The GSC IS "equal time." If one is looking for twi's POV, one can find it from twi whenever they want. Furthermore, ask THEM for the truth about any of the "allegations"- EVEN THE ONES ADMITTED TO IN A COURT OF LAW- and watch how far the answer deviates from "the truth" AS REPORTED IN A COURT OF LAW. Heck, lots of people CURRENTLY in still have not been told the truth of vpw's cause of death- and that's on his Death Certificate. They've spun-control admissions of guilt of lcm, and what the current President of their group knew before they were sued. In twi, there is NO HOPE to get the truth-especially if it's truth they don't LIKE.

Correct- when 3 Ferengi were called "Little Green Men". Quark's cousin Gaila owed him a ship, and finally dropped it off. Quark gave Nog a lift to Earth to begin at Starfleet Academy (with some smuggled kemacite). When Gaila's bomb blew out the warp controls, Rom jury-rigged an exit from warp using the kemacite- and they ended up crashing near Roswell in 1947. On the way to Earth, Nog was reviewing his gift from Miles and Julian- a databank padd with all sorts of Earth history and information on it. When he was skimming past the Bell Riots, he noticed the picture looked just like Benjamin Sisko- which makes sense, since Sisko had replaced Bell accidentally in a previous episode. Raf's turn!

I had a rule like that somewhere that helped me narrow down guesses. Those specific lines are easy to remember if you're a Led Zeppelin fan, or a fan of JRR Tolkien ("Lord of the Rings"), or, if both, VERY easy to remember. Mordor's the bad-guy territory in LotR/"Middle-Earth", Gollum was the previous holder of the "One Ring", still seeking to hold his "precioussss" again. When they wrote the song, the books were popular, but, IIRC, there were no movies yet, not even the cartoons. (Yes, I can research it online, but I don't care enough at the moment.)

These are not quotes from that TWO-PARTER, neither from Part I nor Part II.

I send pm's from time to time, but most of them have NOTHING to do with the GSC or twi or whatever. I just don't feel like sharing all my personal stuff with the entire internet. Some of us, BTW, are still playing the game-threads, which are social. They're certainly not about twi....

Ok, the next one, let's see.... "The ship... It's here. " 1:"Father, have you ever heard of the Bell Riots?" 2:"Don't bother me now." 1:"But doesn't this Gabriel Bell human look just like Captain Sisko..." 3:"All humans look alike."

Correct! Your turn on 2 threads, apparently. Hope you have 2 songs...

Well, technically, she IS his first, whether or not there ever is a second, but it's a cute little leg-pull. I'm happy for him, and hope they had a great time.

I don't think it SHOULD, but that's how it ends up.....

Ah, a U-2 song! That's "DESIRE!" (Got it once I extended the line to the next line- "She's a promise in the year of election.") Probably too easy, this one. "Twas in the darkest depths of Mordor I met a girl so fair. But Gollum, and the Evil One crept up And slipped away with her."

One shot, one hit! (Ever consider sniper training?) You got the clues exactly as given. One episode, the kids decided to take some martial arts training, and answered an ad posted in Arnold's, for a martial arts class by Matsuo Takahashi. "Arnold" shows up to teach it, and they're shocked he's supposedly Matsuo Takahashi. Richie insisted his name was 'Arnold'. "Well, why did you call the restaurant 'Arnold's?" "Who called it 'Arnold's?' When I bought it, there was a HUGE sign that said 'Arnold's'!" So, he just left the name and signs in place, and just got used to people calling him 'Arnold', which, actually, was a pretty smart idea, since they were already USED to 'Arnold's. 'Arnold', of course, was played by Pat Morita, who played about 1/2 of the Asians on television back then. He demonstrated one martial arts move-that loose throw he uses in Karate Kid 3. Small surprise, since Pat Morita NEVER TOOK MARTIAL ARTS LESSONS and freely admitted to relying on 'acting' when doing fight scenes. So, apparently, he only HAS the one move.

Good for you. Some people in twi were singled out by name in a meeting-whether present or not- and humilated, most commonly by vpw or lcm. Those were one form of personal attack. I think you're not using the term "personal attack" like most people use it..... There is a difference between forgiving someone, and putting them in a position to hurt you again, otherwise, you'd do the "Christian thing" and go back to twi for some more ill treatment at their hands. And people here ARE speaking truth with one another, AND it's comforting to some. It's just not the PARTICULAR truth you WANT them to speak. Some OTHER people need to hear it. Why do we have to defend "speaking the truth" to you? It's "speaking the truth"! If you compare the abuse and humilation dealt out by twi on one hand, and the sometimes inflammatory posts on the gsc on the other hand, it's pretty obvious which is a "personal attack." At worst, GSCers VENT, but rarely do they "personally attack" twi'ers. You can't "PERSONALLY" attack an ORGANIZATION, for that matter.

A number of people have arrived, interacted, decided they accomplished everything they needed to accomplish, and then left. A number of people have arrived, interacted, decided they didn't feel like sticking around anymore, and then left. In both cases, I say that's great! The first is a GSC success story. The second is a GSC'er thinking for themself. I miss some posters, but, you know, life takes time to do right.