WordWolf

Is this "Beverly Hills Cop II?"

vpw: "Finally, my brethren, be strong in VP Wierwille." crowd:"No." vpw:"Say it LOUDER!" crowd:"NO!" vpw:"That's right. You're not strong in VP Wierwille. Many of you have heard God's Word through my ministry, but I didn't die for you." (shouted from offsides):"It was Jesus Christ!" vpw:"You said it man!" There were times-like then, like in ROA 77, when he covered Hebrews 13, when vpw claimed we were to look to Jesus Christ, and not to himself or any other leader. I think this was correct to say. "OK, let it be so and let us take him at his word on that and be strong in the Lord." I agree.

Depends on where and when the class was run. I was a fulltime student when I took that class. And I was an EXCELLENT note-taker. (Well, it was "my job.") So, when Session I began, I had the syllabus, a large-print Bible, and a book to take notes in all on my lap, and I successfully juggled all three until the first pause. At that point, the person running the class let me know I could take the notes in the syllabus. (Which worked better for everyone.) Taking notes was one way I kept awake through the whole thing. In fact, I also got other people taking notes in later classes for the same reason. ("Professional student.") Then again, in NYC, things didn't really conform so closely to the expected standard. (That's why almost everyone IN NYC left when lcm drew his line in the sand in 1989.) It wouldn't surprise me if the remainder started banning that practice in the 1990s. Locally, we had it SO much better than in most of your areas. One guy I know, his class, they were told to write down their questions before session 1 began- questions they wanted answered. After session 12, the questions were gone over, and most of them had been touched on during the class. (His question: What about the dinosaurs? Session 6.) Then again, when conforming corps were placed here, their efforts were a lot like kicking a bale of cotton- the impression went away as soon as you moved your foot. :)

Is this "Beverly Hills Cop"?

(Not a diehard one...it's not gelling for me....)

[WordWolf in [brackets]as usual.] [Thanks for posting.]

It's completely new to me. Offhand, I'm slower to believe this one than, say, Raphael Gasson's personal accounts in "the Challenging Counterfeit", since I'm able to contextualize his claims in a non-contradictory framework. Or, to put it differently, I can buy a spiritualist leaving spiritualism for Christ would be harassed by demons that would try to possess him, involuntarily doing what they did before. I can't buy 48 people being given diseases by demons. Not without a whole additional framework I see no reason to add- except "I want to believe them", of course. Your Mileage May Vary.

The impression I've gotten is that some corps and/or higher-ups had a bigger problem with men who were Spouse Corps, i.e., "If you were a REAL man, you've have gone Corps!" Was this experienced, or is this just they way I've read the posts?

Oh, it gets worse than that. As you know, that was to cover the alcohol-breath from all his drinking. So, he would put a mint in his mouth, break it open in his mouth, and use the freshly-broken mint to cover the alcohol reek. So, eventually, he complained that he couldn't find a normal mint to put in his mouth- that at the lectern, they were all broken up. When someone said they did that because he said he broke mints, he clarified that he broke them in his MOUTH. I can't find the original post this second, but it's here somewhere. So, it wasn't even the way vpw liked it. It was done like the famous old story about cutting the end of the ham off, which-ironically- I first heard in twi.

Here's how some of the quotes went.... "How do you spell that, 'Honkey'?' "Uh, 'Y,T'!" " 'Y,T'?" "Yeah! Say it again!" "Y,T, Y,T'..." "Whitey!" Fred giving a police report to Officer Swanson, "Swanny", who was Caucasian, and extremely straight-lace and un-hip. "You said that two of them held you, and one of them beat you. What about the fourth man?" "That's the one that yelled 'Get him.'" Fred claimed Lamont's fragile new collection was STOLEN rather than admit he broke it. So, he invented an entire police report to give them. Swanny was getting all the details down. "Watch it, sucka." Aunt Esther said this a LOT. "The fungus is among us!" "You can say that again!" From the episode Fred tried to do a tax scam by declaring his house/business a church, but discovered the overseeing body was a scam.... "Who you calling ugly, sucka?" "I'm calling you ugly. I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." Fred and Aunt Esther. (IRL, Redd Foxx and LaWanda Page were good friends, and he recommended her for this part.) "Come on and hear, come on and hear, Alexander's Ragtime Band!" When Fred tried to break the world's record for staying awake, Bubba was one of his helpers. Bubba would sing to jostle him. Bubba only knew one song. So he kept singing this line all through the episode. "I want my Daddy's records." Fred donated some vinyl records to a library, then discovered they were collectibles, especially some "Blind Mellow Jelly" records. Bubba posed as one performer's son, and they tried to scam the library into handing them over. Bubba's only line was this one. "Come on-eat a table, run through a tree, do something!" Grady met a martial arts black belt, and the guy just stood there, so Grady wanted to see some parlor trick. (Some of what the guy said made sense, but when he showed what a martial artist would do in a fight, he stopped for several seconds to warm up, which is just ridiculous.) "The wrath of God will strike you down!" "This Louisville Slugger will knock you out!" My favourite exchange between Aunt Esther and Fred G. Sanford. "You fish-eyed heathen!" Yes, Aunt Esther had several things she'd call Fred-this was the most common. "Fish-eyed fool" was another. ======== Redd Foxx was a stage-name for an actor- his birth-name was Fred Sanford Junior. He was nicknamed "Little Red" once for his hair. The actor had an unusual death. He had a heart attack in front of friends. They were so used to him faking heart attacks it took several seconds to realize he was having a real heart attack. Go, George!

CORRECT!

"How do you spell that, 'Honkey'?' "Uh, 'Y,T'!" " 'Y,T'?" "Yeah! Say it again!" "Y,T, Y,T'..." "Whitey!" "You said that two of them held you, and one of them beat you. What about the fourth man?" "That's the one that yelled 'Get him.'" "Watch it, sucka." "The fungus is among us!" "You can say that again!" "Who you calling ugly, sucka?" "I'm calling you ugly. I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies." "Come on and hear, come on and hear, Alexander's Ragtime Band!" "I want my Daddy's records." "Come on-eat a table, run through a tree, do something!" "The wrath of God will strike you down!" "This Louisville Slugger will knock you out!" "You fish-eyed heathen!"

No.

Nope.

"How do you spell that, 'Honkey'?' "Uh, 'Y,T'!" " 'Y,T'?" "Yeah! Say it again!" "Y,T, Y,T'..." "Whitey!" "You said that two of them held you, and one of them beat you. What about the fourth man?" "That's the one that yelled 'Get him.'" "Watch it, sucka." "The fungus is among us!" "You can say that again!" "Who you calling ugly, sucka?" "I'm calling you ugly, I could push your face in some dough and make gorilla cookies."[/b]

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"How do you spell that, 'Honkey'?' "Uh, 'Y,T'!" " 'Y,T'?" "Yeah! Say it again!" "Y,T, Y,T'..." "Whitey!" "You said that two of them held you, and one of them beat you. What about the fourth man?" "That's the one that yelled 'Get him.'" "Watch it, sucka."

You forgot angel pins were also banished-couldn't wear crosses, couldn't wear angel pins.

If twi could use kidnapping and other measures to enforce their will and conformity, they would. As you've seen, at some places and times, they've really put people to the screws to get them to conform when IN twi, and convinced them that to leave twi was to leave God's approval, so that only when desperate did people decide to try leaving, even if it meant God rejecting them. The internet has been a boon towards making information easy to find and exchange. Since twi thrives on a BLACKOUT of information, and controlling communication, it's small wonder that twi has considered the internet its greatest threat and told people to never go online. Years ago, when ex-twi survivors began to communicate together on Waydale, they traded notes and realized THEY weren't the ONLY ones who suffered, and the more complete picture of twi began to form. Waydale became a previously-nonexistent information resource, even to innies. It hosted some documents, and was the only source of information on things like a civil suit by an ex-staffer who sued for inappropriate stuff inflicted while on staff, which vpw taught lcm was perfectly normal. AFAIK, (As Far As I Know), Waydale agreed to shut down as a consequence of the out-of-court settlement on the aforementioned civil suit. Shortly thereafter, the GreaseSpot Cafe opened up, and some of the old Waydale Documents are in the documents file. The GSC's been around for what must be approaching a decade. If twi COULD shut it up, it WOULD. But, that would have happened a decade ago, if it could have happened. AFAIK, there's no pressure on Paw (from twi) to be quiet, conform, shut the site down, or anything else. The First Amendment the the US Constitution guarantees certain rights, and this site operates well within those rights (free speech, association, and so on.) Some might suspect that posted concerns that Paw would suddenly be forced to shut the GSC down by twi are not really about that at all, since it's been shown not to matter by now.

Correct. Too easy?

There will always be someone advocating some extreme view. (For example, paying money for a Bible is wrong, or something.) To most Christians, saying that "praying is a good thing" or "prayer is recommended" is fine. REQUIRING a certain amount of prayer in minutes, or at a specific time-or both- would probably be seen as "legalism"- MANDATORY prayer, just like MANDATORY Bible-reading time. Some people are more alert when getting up, others are more alert when turning in. Requiring EVERYONE to act like one or the other is probably a lot more legalistic than not. (Thus, MANDATORY Bible-reading and prayer for 30 minutes first thing in the morning, and refusal to let anyone switch it to "last thing at night" if it works better for them- and it's not all being done as a group in one room, say- would be seen by many as needlessly legalistic.) I once stood for someone- not because it was REQUIRED, but because I CHOSE to. I prefer that to "stand whenever anyone in leadership enters the room". That's something else you can generally get a consensus about, concerning legalism.

Right. Ok, let's see... "Back off man, I'm a scientist."

No, WD missed both MY and Stephen Leacock's point. Personally, I'd be inclined to consider that WD MIGHT be out to protect us from twi's lawyers, if he hadn't waited 45 pages to bring it up. Before that, he was trying to convince us that this messageboard and our discussions have to follow standards for going before the grand jury. This is not a court of law, and this is not a newspaper. (Under WD's type of ruling, to be CONSISTENT -and not just reluctant to believe NEGATIVE testimony-one would have to preface EVERYTHING with ELABORATE disclaimers or extensive documentation, thus we'd end up with comments like "I'd like to thank Pawtucket, who allegedly runs this messageboard, for allegedly giving us the chance to allegedly speak." It's as sensible as calling the Queen of England "the alleged Queen of England" or the President of the USA "the alleged President of the USA." But, again, one is only hearing that ONE SIDE need preface all comments...

[Emphases mine.] I'd like to address this, very simply: Matthew 18:4-7 (KJV) 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Luke 17:1-2 (KJV) 1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. [Emphases mine.] THAT'S why we blame so-called "leaders" who caused God's children to stumble, who committed offences against them.