WordWolf

My diagnosis is that you're overworked and suffering from extreme stress and borderline exhaustion. As for my prescription... come with me." "Karvino juice... Lorvan crackers... a holosuite program... a jumja stick... and gambling tokens." "Now, at least two of these items must be used and fully enjoyed before you can leave this facility." "Is there anything I can do for you while you're here? A look around the station... maybe a tour of the Defiant? Chief O'Brien's working on her polaron deflector this morning... I'm sure he'd love to show you around." "Thanks... but to be honest, the last thing I want to do on my vacation is look at polaron deflectors." "I have nothing to say to you, Chief. And I think you know why." "Maybe we should come back another time." "What was that all about?" "It's a long story. And I'd rather not get into it right now." "I hope you're not here for another loan. Don't tell me you've forgotten who staked you three strips of latinum when your winning streak ran dry?" "Oh, my God... of course. Sorry... most of that night is still a blur." "You think we'll have a chance to take a look at that new starship of yours?"

Personally, I think that shouting you down or marking/avoiding you leaves almost no "paper trail" (there's posters here who keep denying it happened!) but actually kidnapping people-and police reports being filed- leave evidence that twi would REALLY hate to have around. I think it was PHYSICALLY possible for them to do it, but I don't think they would have "gotten away with it"-I think the various consequences would have followed them for a long time. Why commit crimes when you can get results ALMOST as good by just using deceit and morally-questionable-but legal- methods? They could have robbed banks, too-but it was easier to convince people to voluntarily give them money, then log the money as donations to a religious organization. It does for me. I can't speak for the others. Next time someone raises the question, I'll have a more-informed answer.

That was, at the latest, about 1 year into attending the corps. According to twi, and according to vpw, the most significant man in Christianity- and thus, in the world- SINCE the Apostle Paul WAS vpw. Then again, the Branch Davidians thought the so-called "David Koresh" was the most significant man in Christianity, and the People's Temple thought Jim Jones was the most significant man in Christianity, and so on. When someone destroys lives, or damages them, people talk about it when they find out. And when dangerous practices that damaged and destroyed lives continue, people talk about THOSE. When it happens in twi and extwi organizations, it gets discussed HERE, in the twi survivor messageboard. Why should that qualify as news, generate surprise, or even need explaining at all?

The question is based on a false premise- that vpw did NOT care what people thought of him, based on one statement made in one book, and SUPPOSED to mean he meant "I don't care what people think of me, period." This is the SAME man that taught that we should stand when a leader entered the room- and he was THE Leader, according to him. This is the man who called a press conference, and when the press showed up, decided that they were supposed to be in semiformal when interviewing him. (There's no dress code for even interviewing the vice-president- people have interviewed him in casual wear.) This is the man who made up a seal modelled after the US President's seal, and had his plane (he didn't NEED a plane) named after, and FURNISHED after, the US President's plane. This is the man who declared he needed all sorts of bodyguards and that people kept trying to kill him, when most people had never HEARD of him. This is the man who put forth that he had received the greatest revelation in nearly 2000 years- which some people not only believed THEN, but believe it still. It's akin to hearing the Great and Powerful Oz say "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain", and saying "You're right, Oz, I'll ignore him, although he seemed to be the person projecting your voice, I shall disregard the evidence of my own senses." This is the same man who claimed to wrestle with the devil PERSONALLY for the world. Supposedly, one of less than the fingers of one hand to do so in all of history, including Jesus Christ. This man was OBSESSED with manipulating his public image. People's opinions of him meant a GREAT deal.

dooj, you're on a roll.

Maybe I'll add this to my signature.

This is very interesting. It's my personal opinion-based mainly on me just mulling it over- that the universe (which scientists say is finite) is contained INSIDE of God (Who is Infinite), and He's ever-present because He coexists alongside 3-dimensional matter everywhere in a fourth dimension, just like a flat, 2-dimensional finite object (like, say, an index card) can be completely encased with, and touched everywhere, by a three-dimensional object (like, say, a jello mold the index card is suspended in.) Then again, Sunesis' idea may be better.

PLEASE feel free to join in on the other games. As for this song, I can't recognize any song that runs over 3:05, so I'm stuck.

No. And I'm delighted someone couldn't just rattle this one off.

[i certainly wouldn't put vpw in Paul's shoes either. Paul spent his life irrespective of creature comforts. He risked his life to do what God wanted him to do, even unto death. vpw lived in creature comforts, and, apparently, was fine with his own choices to drug and rape women in the congregation. He also was fine with people standing and playing "Hail to the Chief" when he entered a room, and deliberately modeled the seal after the US President's seal. and insisted on a plane-which he named after the US President's plane. I could keep going, but it's obvious that-between Paul and vpw, that neither was in the same category as the other.] [Wow- so the God-breathed Galatians 5 has it completely WRONG, and Mike, by contrast, has it RIGHT! Amazing.] [For those who missed it, Mike keeps adding to Scripture and insisting that King David's deliberate maneuverings to trick Uriah which ended in him arranging Uriah's death was COMMON KNOWLEDGE- that the neighbors knew Bath-sheba's child wasn't Uriah's child, and that King David specifically arranged to have Uriah killed. All of this is NOT in the text, and is what vpw called "private interpretation." I've explained this in great detail to Mike TWICE. He still insists this happened no matter what the verses say. If anyone's interested, I can post the previous answers again, but, really, I don't see the need myself.]

[i have yet to find a text that said that Paul ran a class, spent exactly 1 year per location, or went as anyone ELSE directed. The money-thing, standardized for classes, isn't an issue with Paul, who didn't hesitate about working a secular job. If the program was based on him, you'd think the primary attributes of the program (and not just the nebulous "goals" which MANY Christian programs have) would actually correspond to Paul.] [i like your posts better when they just come out and SAY stuff like this.I can disagree with you but RESPECT you when you do that. It makes a big difference. After all, if you want to be the big salesman for pfal, you can't do that when nobody respects you because you're being circumloquitous and never addressing them directly.] Galatians 5: 16-24 (KJV) 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

I really would like to see you return, if possible. I understand what you HAVE TO DO comes first. I hope that LATER that will allow you to return. Until then, may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

I thought I had one, but I've forgotten. I must think on this..

Anyone MAY chime in. And I have looked up the lyrics to "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne, and this is indeed that song. So, it is now YOUR turn, Wing. Please pick a song we are likely to have heard, (I PERSONALLY try not to pick stuff after 1985 in deference to the advanced age and approaching decrepitude of many posters, but you are free to post from ANY song) remembering that the song must have had AIRPLAY. Good songs that never were played on the air are still good songs, but it is unfair to require us to own a specific album. If you don't know the artist, you should look it up, along with the complete lyrics so you can make sure you have them correct. If someone has the correct title but incorrect ARTIST, please check and see if that artist did a cover of the same song. Some songs have been redone a LOT. (I posted a song with at least 3 "correct" artists, and I only knew of 2, but someone chimed in with the third. I checked-they were correct.) Please also give us a fair chance and space out your clues a day apart or so. Any faster and you may make it too easy when we log in and read, any slower and it may be most of a month before we can answer. Try not to make it too obvious with the first post. (Sometimes people get it on the first try with an obscure lyric, and it's more of an accomplishment when you can at least TRY to do that.) If you have trouble looking up a song, it's very easy: http://www.google.com Enter the words "lyric" then the title of the song, and the artist's name, each in quotes. If you don't know the artist, switch out a line of the song in quotes for the artist's name. If you're checking if a different artist did a cover, switch their name as the artist, and see if you get results. It's actually pretty simple-most of what I said is kind-of common sense.

"I have nothing to say to you, Chief. And I think you know why." "Maybe we should come back another time." "What was that all about?" "It's a long story. And I'd rather not get into it right now."

I thought that was the title, but I wasn't sure. Odd seeing Worf with the red uniform the first time. I was glad, later, that the scriptwriters read the Star Trek DS9 Nitpickers Guide, and later scripts fixed the complaints on earlier scripts. Like how Worf's job seemed to be light-since he can just get up and leave whenever he wants, and a later episode when he was away showed the senior staff griping about having to cover each of HIS duties on top of their own. It took a few seconds, and made the fans feel better. We also now knew what he did all day. Next episode. Let's see, I had one that just sprang to mind...

You want a TECHNICAL explanation, from what I see. I shall do my best to answer correctly and briefly. Here's the verses usually used: I Corinthians 15 (various verses) (NASB) 20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 35But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?" 36You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42So also is the resurrection of the dead It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55"O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" I Thessalonians 4 doesn't provide any insight to this. As I see it, the living bodies receive a physical upgrade. Its capabilities will be enhanced. Either a side-effect of that, or some other enhancements will match us to Jesus' resurrected body. That will include human appearance still, and some sort of teleportation ability like he showed. Each upgrade/transformation will be a miracle. So, I can discuss small amounts of WHAT but not HOW, except to say "miraculously."

Ok, let's see. The 'tailor' comment and 'cutting remarks' bracket Garak getting assaulted in his shop, and being doctored. Klingons, or someone else? I forget. The second quote was Sisko explaining how he felt after his wife passed away. The very first quote was when the Klingons went to war and ended their treaty with the Federation, and Worf chose to remain with the Federation. (Spelling doom for Kurn and the House of Mogh, pretty much.) Is that enough, or do you need more?

I've been trying to place that second quote for a while. Now that you posted the top one.... "Wings", right?

This bore repeating.

I don't expect it to be necessary. I have a good imagination, though, so, for the sake of discussion, I can picture it. I stand behind my posts. If Jesus found it profitable to hear me expound on every one of them, I'd accept that as his due, but disagree (while doing it) as to whether it's worth the effort. I'm not bothering to justify them for anyone SHORT of Jesus Christ PERSONALLY. Either people get them-and need no explanation- or they reject them-and no explanation will change their emotions.

Hebrews 12 says nothing about forgiveness. Hebrews 12 (KJV) "1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin." Hebrews 12(NASB) "1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. 4You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" And you have no way of knowing which of us have shed blood, or went in hazard of our lives, striving against sin. (Those of us who HAVE, however, haven't strived against it to the point Jesus did.) ============== 1 Corinthians 5(KJV) " 1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." ======= 1 Corinthians 5 (NASB) " 1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife. 2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. 3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES." =============== II Timothy 4:14 (NASB) "14Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds." II Timothy 4:14 (KJV) "14Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:" I don't know about "going around and around", but Paul sure made a note of those that did harm/evil. If one considers the Bible Holy Scripture, then one should accept God Almighty wanted that noted. And immortalized as an example.

That link no more claims SOWERS is a product of the CFF organization than it claims "Positive Words", Peter Wade's group, is one. I still see no written connection, unless there's a DIFFERENT page stating so.

Hello. Many of us are still Christians. Some of us are a bit "gun-shy" about joining groups at this point, but otherwise, we're fine. Some of us are Christians who carefully joined other groups of Christians. Some of us, of course, are no longer Christians, but around here, they seem to be well-mannered. You probably noticed all this already. Enjoy your stay here.

I think I've heard it at some point, but it's not gelling yet...