WordWolf

Should I give it a little longer, or burn it and post another? You've all HEARD this song, but you may not remember the beginning.

Normally, I go to Google, put the name of the show in quotes, and the word "quotes" in quotes. Sometimes IMDb has a good list, sometimes wikiquote has a good list, sometimes someone else has a good list. Sometimes there's a few cheap lists, and I have to use them all. I can usually remember one or two good ones, also. In this case, almost NO good quotes were around, and I had to rely on raw memory for quotes. Remember, I can still quote stuff from the taped pfal class, and I didn't sit thru that after 1990. So, a few scenes that cracked me up are not impossible. (Jim's bar, Phil's named food dishes, Murphy singing and getting scared when she saw Eldon...)

Can we use this thread to discuss all the little stories that vpw told in pfal as completely true?

Thanks for reminding me that vpw was so callous, he could turn compassion into something disgusting. Let's say YOU were the minister, and you knew a mother, and a child, and had watched the child grow up. You weren't there 24/7 in the child's life, but you were aware as events unfolded, and you both got to know each other as people, and interacted regularly, even if it was only a moment here and there. Then, one day, you learn this child was struck dead by a vehicle. Do you agree to deliver the sermon at this child's funeral? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. When you do that sermon, do you attempt to say something comforting to the parents, the rest of the family, the friends? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. (Some of us DIDN'T have a heart like a normal human- and used such situations to teach the hurt, mourning people "The Truth Of The Word". We know better now, and we're very sorry.) So, when you do that sermon, and you say something meant to comfort the family, you might be less than 100% perfect on doctrine. However, if you're 100% perfect on compassion, nobody in the room is going to care. Thus, most people wouldn't greatly object to something like "Your child's suffering has ended. He has entered into the personal presence of God Almighty. Jesus Himself has dried his tears, and shown him how to smile again. Now, he can play whenever he wants, and the loving presence of God is before him always. Someday you will be reunited with your child, and then, after Jesus has wiped away your tears, you can share with him all the things you've done since then, and he can share with you all the things he has done since then." (Yes, I just came up with that now. I asked my heart what I would say if I believed the standard doctrine, and was in the minister's position.) Somewhere in there, the minister might indeed say something like "Now your precious rose petal is in heaven, with the Almighty God." MOST people, even those who believe in "soul sleep" and so on, would basically see this as compassionate, and decide to "get over themselves" rather than issue a minority opinion at the funeral. MOST people have a sense of perspective, and a sense of tact. As we all know, people in twi never considered themselves "MOST people." ========= Here's what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said. "God now had another rose petal in heaven." After announcing that was what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said, here is vpw's own interpretation of that EXACT SAME SENTENCE: "God killed that little boy because He wanted another rose petal in heaven." Do those sentences carry the same meaning? NOT AT ALL. The first one claims the child is in heaven with God. The second one claims the child is in heaven with God BECAUSE GOD KILLED HIM TO BRING HIM THERE. vpw claimed that this is what the sentence meant, however. And changed the sentence RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. And we agreed, and taught it that way. And SOME of us STILL BELIEVE IT, even when we can read it NOW and see that vpw changed the meaning from something compassionate to something vile and offensive. Oh, my God, when are we going to learn something?

Exodus 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: Psalm 66:16 Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul. Ecclesiastes 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. 1 Peter 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Psalm 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 14:26 In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. Proverbs 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. ======== Thank you for playing. have a nice day. Jesus loves you.

Hey, Neo! If you'd come in to twi, charging in and raising your voice to object to what was said, vpw HIMSELF would have had you given the "bum's rush" out of the campus, possibly having you BODILY thrown out. Instead, you did it at the GSC. There was lots of disagreement, and you were still free to speak. Does that strike you as something noteworthy? Does that tell you something? Might a closer look be warranted?

*thinks* Star Trek: the Next Generation, for sure. *thinks some more* *snaps fingers mentally* This is "First Contact", right? The badly-lit episode that is from the perspective of the people on the planet, and not the usual gang, right? (I know I used poor grammar. I didn't care.)

You might be too young for this to be easy for you. (It's certainly before MY time.)

SINCE Tom was right, this one is up for grabs. Whoever wants to put up the next one, can put up the next one. How about some new faces?

Here's how the quotes fell.... "I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." Murphy was known to prank people in revenge. "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." Corky and Murphy. Corky was getting married and having wedding jitters. "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." Eldon the housepainter. "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" Murphy's view on life. "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." Frank Fontana did a story with a hostage situation, where he acted as an unofficial negotiator. Whenever FYI did a retrospective, he ALWAYS chose that one as a must-use. "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" Corky had kissed Miller Renfield-and Murphy walked in as it happened. ("My eyes!") "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." Frank, concerning one early meeting. "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" Corky Sherwood married Bill Forrest, making her Corky Sherwood-Forrest. (Faith Ford, at the time, had married and was Faith Ford-Nottingham.) Bill Forrest had written a children's story. While he wrote, she wrote in her diary. Later, someone claimed he plagiarized their story. Corky's diary, when she was frustrated over all his work on the story with no time for her- became the critical evidence in the case. "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" Eldon the painter (who did murals on ceilings) had an art showing. The walls were bare, and some pretentious visitors speculated this was a statement on the barrenness of art, except for one who thought that it made THEM the art. But, it was ON THE CEILING and they didn't look up. So, Eldon pulled a cord, dropping the cover off the mural. At which point, that guy thought they were the art again..... "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" The FYI team had conspired to have him sent far, far away.... "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." A political cartoonist made fun of an accidentally-broadcast joke, and then made a bigger and bigger fuss over them, almost turning his strip into an anti-FYI strip. And THEN Murphy got him back.... "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." Murphy began the series returning to FYI after a stay at Betty Ford to dry out. Sometime later, a colleague (Kate Mulgrew) arrived with a serious drinking problem. Murphy helped her face up to it-by admitting she HAD a problem. Which, IIRC, is Step One of the 12-Step program. "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" Wallace Shawn played a former FYI'er who had habits that annoyed the rest of them, so they complained, and management moved him. Eventually he came back, and Murphy had to clear the air. "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." Phil tried to name food dishes after the FYI crew. Miles Silverberg didn't get something named after him, and was bitter. Phil gave it up because it was costing him business. "People kept coming in, saying 'Hate him, hate her' and not ordering." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophomore year instead of Spanish!" A Thanksgiving somehow resulted in a LIVE turkey being loose in Murphy's house. Corky tried to get it to cooperate. She noted they're skittish, then tried to imitate a turkey, which was funny on its own, but then Murphy gave this reply. "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" Priceless exchange. Jim Dial missed the bar he visited when he was a journalism student, long ago. He took his money, and bought a bar, and tried to recreate the feel of it. Since he's an anchorman, he called it "the Anchorman." He was unaware it had attracted a gay crowd of customers. (It was doing good business, he was having a good time when he was there....) The first time the FYI crew visited, Corky went to the ladies room (so clean, it's like it was never used), and one of the guys made a pass at Frank (who had been annoyed he didn't see any women. When Corky got back, they tried to explain it to her. Then they had to tell Jim. "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." Wallace Shawn's character came back, and tried his hand at public office. "And now, a man so cute they gave him his own network, Stan Lansing!" Stan Lansing, studio head, was frustrated they couldn't find a perfect host for the late-night show he wanted-like the Tonight Show, etc. Eventually, someone blurted out that if he thought it was so easy to do, HE could try it. So he did. Crash and burn. "You make me feel, You make me feel, You make me feel like a natural woma---AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Commercials ripped this episode off for YEARS. (And it was still amusing.) First episode. Murphy, home alone, singing to some of her favorite music, and completely unaware that Eldon, the housepainter, was there, finishing some work. He came out at the singing, and just watched her from a doorway until she spotted him and screamed. This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic. And had Scott Bakula as a regular at one point. And Lily Tomlin. And Gary Marshall. My favorite line of Scott Bakula's character: "What? Seriously-Murphy's had a lot of secretaries?" If you'd watched a few episodes, it was a funny line. If you'd watched more, it was funnier. And guested Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Bette Midler, Rose Marie, and Haley Joel Osment. It won 7 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes, and 2 SAG Awards. (It might have won more Emmys, but one actress removed herself from consideration after winning her FIFTH EMMY IN A ROW for this show.)

You ARE correct!

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum. You came along and everything's startin' to hum."

"I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophmore year instead of Spanish!" "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." "And now, a man so cute they gave him his own network, Stan Lansing!" "You make me feel, You make me feel, You make me feel like a natural woma---AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Commercials ripped this episode off for YEARS. (And it was still amusing.) This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic. And had Scott Bakula as a regular at one point. And Lily Tomlin. And Gary Marshall. And guested Bob Newhart, Don Rickles, Bette Midler, Rose Marie, and Haley Joel Osment. It won 7 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes, and 2 SAG Awards. (It might have won more Emmys, but one actress removed herself from consideration after winning her FIFTH EMMY IN A ROW for this show.)

(Where did this post go? I reconstructed most of it a post later.)

Hm. A song whose name is not in the opening line, that people will recognize BY the opening line. Hm. "Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum."

On the one hand, it seems they are referring specifically to an earthly king. On the other hand, it seems they are not. I believe BOTH are correct. If we were discussing that particular earthly king, I would skip discussions about who ELSE it might refer to. Since we're discussing the other, I just didn't bring up the earthly king. Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not. This referred to Rahel and Ramah. However, Matthew 2:17-18 (King James Version) "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 18In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not." We have Herod's slaughter of innocents stated that THIS is what Jeremiah was talking about. Now, I COULD say "It ONLY referred to Rahel and Ramah, so, Matthew, you're wrong." Since I don't think it was MATTHEW's idea, but God Almighty's, I don't have the gall to say "God, you're wrong." I contemplate how BOTH answers are right. This is STILL all based on my current understanding, and is NOT the last word on the subject.

This show was NOT short-lived. It was, what? 7 seasons? 8 seasons? All on primetime, not counting syndication. Raf must be busy.

Gotta remember a music video with Robin Williams and Bill Irwin. Bobby Mc Ferrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy."

I do not believe there's a device we can point at someone and detect "born again" or not. I do not believe there's any single thing a person can say or do which allows us to detect "born again" or not. Did they claim they made Jesus their Lord and believed God raised them from the dead? How do I know they weren't lying? Any actor-or any con artist- could make a CONVINCING display of emotion at the podium, claiming convictions concerning God, and it could all be lies. Do they speak in tongues? Again, any actor-or any con artist- of any passing skill can clearly and lucidly pronounce syllables not in a known language, and make them sound as if there's conviction behind them. (Now that I think of it, I DID have a class in college where one exercise, we did exactly that. In our case, it was to demonstrate the ability to convey a scene through tone, and through action, but without telling anyone what the scene was. The teacher was able to get EXACTLY what was happening-and it was pretty complicated. But I'm rambling off-topic.) So, I do not believe there is any one thing we can do to determine if someone we're looking at is "born again" or not. There's no miraculous tattoo, there's no "Highlander buzz", there's no nothing.

He also died before Pentecost. I thought that meant-by definition- he couldn't BE "born again." John the Baptizer, according to Jesus-who would know- was even-up with the greatest of the great ever born, but he was less than the least in the kingdom of God. He also died before Pentecost.

I've wondered about II Peter 2, also. KJV "2 Peter 2 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb foot speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. ============ I wonder about the last 4 verses. If "those that were clean escaped" are supposedly "born again", what could it mean that they can face a "latter end" "worse with them than the beginning"? Supposedly, this would mean verse 21 says it would have been better NEVER to have been "born again", than to have been born again and THEN turn aside and serve lust, wantonness, and greed. Does that mean that- if a man is born again, then decides to serve his lusts, and treats others like merchandise, that God will deliver a punishment so severe, that he'd rather have never been born again, because he would never have faced a punishment so severe?

Ever notice they're the only 2 men referred to in the KJV as "son of perdition"? I've wondered sometimes whether that means that "the Antichrist" as you called him, or, as II Thessalonians called him, the "man of sins", would be-like Judas- a man claiming to be religious, given to making pious displays and statements ("that could have been sold, and the money given to the poor") and using a position as a servant of God to satisfy his lusts ("he had the bag, and bore what was therein.") I don't have any answers to that. And I've been wondering it for a long time.

"I was waiting for the universe to dispense some justice but sometimes the universe is just too damn slow. The effects of putting Nair in someone's styling gel, however, only take a few minutes." "I haven't experienced life!" "I've experienced life, and I'm here to tell you it's overrated." "I am only a lowly cog in this woman's life. Pity me." "When will you learn, if it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't matter?" "I come in peace!" "..I take it you're going with 'I come in peace' again..." "My head is spinning..." "Of course it's spinning. It's revolted-your brain is probably trying to twist its way out of your head!" "C'mon guys, I'm missing '2 Stupid Dogs' for this." "...that bleeping little Dutch boy...." "We are in court-you will need to read that EXACTLY as you wrote it." "That IS the way I wrote it. Look." "'That bleeping little Dutch boy...'" "That means WE are the art!" "It's on the CEILING!" "Miller Renfield! How were things in the Kuala Lampur?" "I finally figured out what FYI stands for: "Four Yelling Idiots." "All right. That's a step. There's 11 more-we'll get to that." "There was no chemistry, there was no old gang! And if there was, you weren't apart of it. You drove us nuts! Taking off your shoes, humming while you ate, and there's no such word as alls, it's all. It's all I know! It wasn't the network, it was us! We wanted you fired!" "I want a Miles Silverberger!" "People don't name sandwiches after executive producers. Look, I know you like hot dogs-let me get you a Fontana Frank." "Oh, great! Now we know what they teach in the Louisiana school system in sophmore year instead of Spanish!" "...This is a gay bar." "A gay bar? Jim owns a gay bar? That means-oh my God- Jim is GAY?" "CORKY! Jim and Doris have been happily married for over TWENTY YEARS!" "Do you think she knows?" "And that's ALL'S I know about politics." This is a show that had a character who previously had spent time in the Betty Ford Clinic.

No. All the quotes were from regular characters. Including the ones with the names in it.