WordWolf

"I'm gonna hit the highway like a battering ram on a silver black phantom bike" "I can see myself tearing up the road faster than any other boy has ever gone"

*wild swing* "the Munsters Today."

VERY interesting point! Of course, lcm and the others claimed they "HELPED KILL" vpw, who, supposedly, chose to die. (WE HAVE THAT IN WRITING.) But vpw is supposedly not even PARTIALLY to blame when he drives someone else to suicide. And, naturally, all our points keep getting CHANGED to "the victim had zero responsibility" when we're saying "of course that's not true!" This is NOT about "truth"-this is about ABSOLVING VPW OF RESPONSIBILITY no matter HOW ludicrous the posts have to get to do that.

You speak as someone who doesn't understand that level of hopelessness and pain. She was giving you the benefit of the doubt. One possibility-the one she took- was that you lack experience anywhere near it, and thus can't empathize with what is-to you-foreign emotion. That is understandable. The other possibility-the one she didn't take-was that you HAVE felt that level of hopelessness and pain, and are so emotionally selfish, or emotionally numb, that you cannot, or will not, extend enough pathos to someone else who's felt that, and instead of offering empathy or at least SILENCE (many of us chose to say nothing on the subject), you instead started in with how it was shameful for the person to commit suicide. Well, duh. We knew that, but what needed saying was how they GOT to that shameful position. Suicides generally don't kill themselves because they're feeling PRIDE or feeling GOOD about themselves. I think you are CAPABLE of extending empathy IF YOU WANT. Instead of only exercising it for the criminals of twi, how about trying something novel and extending it to the VICTIMS at some point? You wouldn't have to do it ALL the time if you found it too taxing, but if nothing else, it could be an educational experience. It certainly would be more novel than your habitual painting of rascal as "lying".

"... So the guy staggers to his feet and goes back to the girl. She smiles, looks him right in the eye and says "Just try that in hyperspace!"" "Ah, I see. So the difficulty in attaining such complex positioning in a zero gravity environment, coupled with the adverse effect it would have on the psychological well being of the average human male, is what makes this anecdote so amusing. Yes. Very humorous indeed. Hysterical, in fact." "Swimming is too much like bathing." "I am receiving a Code Forty-Seven." "You're using a Code Forty-Seven! I have to know what this is all about." "Not over subspace. No." "In a manner of speaking, it is nothing but a lifeless hunk of rock, a useless ball of mud, a worthless chunk of --" "Thank you, Data. I get the idea."

So's the spy-boy, as was mentioned in the 2nd link I linked. There's a number of versions of this song, and there's different people mentioned, both at the beginning of the song and later on.

Right. "It is far easier to whisper advice from behind the scenes rather than risk its merit at the point of attack." It's easier to ADVISE the king than to BE the king... "D*, I KNEW I was getting hosed." Ralph, discovering the King of Zambisi could marry whoever he wanted. "We'll put the velour industry on full standby." His assistant, Cedric, on hearing he'd redecorate his private apartments. "On the contrary. You are a good and decent man, and you've acted honorably. I shall try to follow your example." "We've got nothing in common and she's got a voice like a tuba. If she had her way, we'd have sex on a bed of nails on national television. But at least the party stinks." Just before the meltdown at the reception. "Hey, homes! Whas happenin'! Gimme quintet, brother!" "I do not comprehend, Your Majesty!" Meeting the King of Zambisi, and thinking "jive" was his native language. "That's right! String him up! Wanker!" A British guy, watching on television as Ralph settled some overdue business. I think this movie was a LOT more entertaining than most people might think. So long as one remembers it's meant to just entertain, of course.

"I'm gonna hit the highway like a battering ram on a silver black phantom bike"

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the phrasing of one opening. It's been covered MANY times, among the artists were the Grateful Dead. The curious can look here for some information about the song. I think it's worth reading, but I'll spare the dissenters by just leaving the links. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iko_Iko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardi_Gras_Indians That part on "hierarchy" makes the lyrics make sense, at least the "spy-boy" versions.

Well, we'd need a criminal lawyer to tell the difference. I know what I know as a layman. Trying to answer based on that makes my answer sounds contradictory. I know that the difference between murder and manslaughter is in PREMEDITATION. In both cases, one person kills another, but a murderer intends malice. Murder in the First Degree means the death was intentional, Murder in the Second Degree means the death was inflicted when HARM was meant, but the death resulted anyway. Manslaughter usually results when something else was intended. Then again, what I know, since I'm a layman, is hardly the whole story. Criminally-negligent HOMICIDE results without someone MEANING the death or harm of the other. ========= Then again, there are posters here who would say that-unless vpw pulled the trigger on a gun, drove in a knife, shoved them off a cliff, then vpw would be COMPLETELY INNOCENT of ANY wrong-doing. Of course, they're laymen ALSO, and skip all the levels like criminally-negligent homicide. Driving someone TO suicide, I expect, IS a crime, but I lack the legal background to identify the SPECIFIC crime. I know it's not Murder in the First.

Something that didn't hit me until now..... Notice how vpw puts the blame on the woman who was brought in. rather than the King or anyone in power who BROUGHT her in. SHE was the sex fiend- but someone else BROUGHT her in Some people will think that means nothing. I think the rest of us will say that says a LOT about the speaker. I've read this before, but I don't know how I missed it until now.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/audio-sound-clips.html Clip 5 from the top. As someone said once, "these things were not done in a corner", this was common knowledge.

Ultimately, it WAS up to each individual. We all should have said "you're speaking lies" and stormed off. However, I don't absolve those who indoctrinated others with lies from responsibility. Except, of course, we've had posters who said they were TOLD that-if they left- they or their family would die, period.One had a leader YELL at them "WHICH OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS DO YOU WANT TO DIE NEXT?" It's a lot more obvious in hindsight. In some situations when we were in, SOME of us (not me, and, presumably, not you) it was set up as if that was the natural consequence of "leaving the household."

Hey, enjoy yourself.

"It is far easier to whisper advice from behind the scenes rather than risk its merit at the point of attack." "D*, I KNEW I was getting hosed." "We'll put the velour industry on full standby." "On the contrary. You are a good and decent man, and you've acted honorably. I shall try to follow your example." "We've got nothing in common and she's got a voice like a tuba. If she had her way, we'd have sex on a bed of nails on national television. But at least the party stinks." "Hey, homes! Whas happenin'! Gimme quintet, brother!" "I do not comprehend, Your Majesty!" "That's right! String him up! Wanker!"

"My grandma and your grandma were sittin' by the fire" For the curious, one version of the song begins "My spy-boy saw you spy-boy sittin' by the fire"

"Just a Gigolo, " by David Lee Roth.

"My grandma and your grandma were sittin by the fire"

No, it isn't. I actually could name it off the second quote. Knowing this group, I thought I might not be the only one. I thought the first quote was interesting. I was reviewing quotes now, and my immediate response was "'Hyperspace?' What's 'hyperspace'?" That's in Star WARS- Star TREK has Warp Space, Warp Drive, and so on. The sentence should have ended "at warp!"

"My grandma and your grandma"

"... So the guy staggers to his feet and goes back to the girl. She smiles, looks him right in the eye and says "Just try that in hyperspace!"" "Ah, I see. So the difficulty in attaining such complex positioning in a zero gravity environment, coupled with the adverse effect it would have on the psychological well being of the average human male, is what makes this anecdote so amusing. Yes. Very humorous indeed. Hysterical, in fact." "I am receiving a Code Forty-Seven."

AGAIN, you mean?

The reason I found it so funny was the puppet. See, the Nitpicker's Guide to Classic Trek included, for each episode, a breakdown of which scenes were shown at the end of the episode in the closing stills. In season 1, the last pic was the (green) Orion slave girl from the series pilot/the Menagerie. After a while, the writer started getting really creative in describing what was going on in the last still. The season 2 stills ended with the Blalok puppet, and the first one was described something like "the Blalok puppet, overjoyed because he just heard from his agent that he's replacing Vima the slave girl in the second season's closing stills."

"I'm a Believer", by the Monkees, and later covered by Smash Mouth.