WordWolf

Most of US were involved in trying to do our best for God and do what God wanted. Most of US would help people when we could. We didn't even have to read the specific verse that says that you should help others when it's within your power to do so. Throwing a bunch of insults out doesn't change that, nor does it add to the discussion. In fact, it proves TheHighWay's comment:

CORRECT! Although I question just how good a "pinball wizard" he can be, relying on "intuition" and "sense of smell" to play, since he's deaf and blind.

*snicker*

I don't think I've posted it before, but I've said it aloud. When it comes to vpw and "compassion", I think he used a definition I heard once on Benny Hill, said to the little bald guy (Jack Wright): "...and I know what your definition is of 'compassion'- 'a little fellow-feeling'." ======== I think vpw was capable of generosity and interest if you were one of his favourites. HCW has MANY fond memories of vpw, including some nice things vpw did. I question that being actual "compassion." I say our measure of compassion can be measured more by what we do for those from whom we can expect no favours in return.

You left out calling them "FEARFUL"- as in -phobic. Now, an arachnophobe is AFRAID of spiders. Bring a spider into the room, walk up to them with it, and they will RUN out of the room. (I knew someone who did Psych experiments where this exact thing happened.) An ophidophobe is AFRAID of lizards and snakes. They can have trouble READING about them. (Again, I knew someone who this happened to.) I'm not aware of anyone who can't even READ about homosexuals, or who has to run out of the room when one enters the room, even if one approached them. Why is it, then, that many people I know would be labelled "homoPHOBES"? How did "I disagree" become "that means this FILLS YOU WITH FEAR?"

"Even at my favourite table, he can beat my best"

Had to be a BIG SHOT, didn't you... (Billy Joel)

I saw it in the theater in the 90s. It wasn't a 1/2 empty theater. However, I think few people ON THIS BOARD saw it. (If it was really obscure, I couldn't find lots of quotes.) Go ahead, George, let's move this along.... And if you ever get a chance, this is a light, fun movie, with comedy, action, and "family values."

Oh, I think they're SUCH liars if this is what they're claiming. There were about 5000 members, including children, a few years back. I put ADULT membership at 3500 back then, with the rest as minors. I think twi is STILL hemorrhaging members, even if it's at a much slower rate, since all the more reasonable people left years ago, and more stubborn people slowly wake up. (Or their family wakes up and they can leave together.) If the membership is currently at 3000 adults, I'd say that's correct. I am NOT convinced they DOUBLED IN SIZE since a few years ago.

My! As time passes, the numbers of people who were in twi increase exponentially! No doubt, eventually they'll pass 200 million, and the entire US population will have been in once. Ok, let's fix what numbers we can. twi never gave EXACT numbers. 200,000, AFAIK, never came from anywhere until this post. HALF that is 100,000. Some people think twi either had 100,000 members at its apex, or all together as members. This comes from the inflation of something vpw himself said. (And HE was no stranger to exagerration himself, so what he SAID is suspect.) He said that there were 100,000 people in "the book of life", which, in plain English was the list of everyone who signed up for pfal. Now, does that mean twi had 100,000 people total? Let's remember how the numbers broke down. Out of those who signed up and paid, not everyone showed up to Session 1. (When I first took it, we had 8 sign up, and seven showed up for Session 1, with six making it to Session 2.) Out of those who showed up to Session 1, not everyone showed up for Session 12. (When I first took it, THREE of us completed Session 12-myself, and 2 people in twi families.) Out of those who showed up to Session 12, not everyone was around for a full year following that. (In my case, all 3 were, but I think we had dropoffs that accounted for it early.) Someone said the best rule-of-thumb to measure membership in twi (no matter that twi refused to CALL it "membership" and engaged in sophistry and lies when asked) was to count the number of attendees at that year's ROA and then double that number, and that's the total membership at that time. I've found that to be accurate, and when 4/5 left in 1989 as a result of lcm's demands for loyalty, the ROA attendance dropped to 1/5 what ROA 88's attendance was. IIRC (and I may not), that put maximum membership #s at any one time at around 38,000 in 1982, and numbers drop sharply before and after that. (I may be inflating the number.) That's a LOT less than 200,000. As for 600, it would not surprise me if OFFICIAL membership of adults was at 600 now. I don't have a source for that number other than the post above, however.

"You brought our baby into a knife fight?" "It was a fair fight. Two of them, two of us... " "You should have seen these guys, complete amateurs. Biggest risk was I'd fall down laughing and hurt myself." "There was an attempted mugging half a block from here tonight." "Really?" "The victim got away." "Oh, good." "You don't know nothing about that?" "No, I don't think so." "You match the description of the intended victim: a man with a baby stroller." "And we got us a bag lady that says she saw the man enter this hotel." "And the desk clerk says that man was you." "Well that certainly narrows it down doesn't it." "One man on the couch. Reading." "A literate burgler? How refreshing." "Well who is it? The President? *laughs* " "*laughs* No, sir. It's the Governor." "Who is this again?" "This is Muerte." "Oh, hi, Morty." "No! No Morty! MUERTE! DEATH!" "Yeah, okay, right death..." "You're under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right you may talk, sing, dance, impersonate Elvis or anything else you like. You have the right to an attorney. If you're broke and can't afford one, tough sh*! Now get in the car you suspected felon you!" "Darling, do the oysters come with guns?" "We can tell you part of the story." "You can tell me all of the story." "Part or nothing." "Well how about we bust your @$$ for B and E." "Well how about we talk to that nice governor of yours." "...........Ok, tell me part of the story." "Well, it's hard to know where to begin. My father was a steam fitter, and..." " The relevant part, man." "What just happened here?" "I'd say it was a domestic disturbance." "A domestic disturbance?" "Yeah like on the Honeymooners. You remember how Ralph used to fight with Alice." "I don't recollect Ralph using semi-automatic weapons." "But Norton sometimes did. And Mrs. Manicotti on the third floor, wow what a temper." "My source at the FBI said they didn't think you were, and I quote, 'Bureau material.' "That's true. I'm more of an end table." "I always thought of you as a dining room chair." "That's your husband." "I know." "Does he know how to play the trumpet?" "Apparently." "Jeff's a lousy shot. He had to bribe the examiner at the FBI." Jeff Blue: That's a lie. I bribed the guy at the CIA. I blackmailed the guy at the FBI." "See mommy picking the big lock? Someday, when you're a big girl, she'll teach you how to pick locks. Of course, she may still be picking this one."

That seems to be a concise summary of what he did.

WTH: What makes you think I was talking to you? OneWhoIsFree asked specifically where to find the pfal tapes.(Or, I imagine, the DVDs or CDROMs or any comparable version.) WW: WTH: Yes, I mean Leonard's "Gifts of the Spirit" class, available from CTC of Texas.I'm not "promoting BG Leonard's stuff." OneWhoIsFree ASKED about the material. That's where the material is available. From the original class, not the knockoff. Comparing CTC's class with vpw's class is like comparing genuine Listerine with generic knockoffs- you'll end up wondering why you tolerated the bad taste in your mouth. Yes, Leonard's class calls it "GIFT" and not "manifestation"- just like you call it "manifestationS" when I Corinthian 12 refers to it in the singular. Personally, I'd prefer BOTH of you use the terminology I use. That having been said, once once unclenches over the usage of the WORD "gift" and actually pays attention to the CONCEPTS being taught, the WORD "gift" becomes a rather minor point. From here, it's just an excuse to dismiss a class that was so good, vpw copied it word-for-word and claimed HE taught it. Students of the CTC class-as some who've posted here said- learn a LOT more than the pfal class offered them when they were offered it. Despite disagreeing with the word "gift." When it comes to the TOTAL PICTURE of spiritual matters and educating others, some people understand less than they'd like to admit. WW: WTH: 1) Thanks for admitting where vpw STOLE the "snow on the pumps" from. He ripped off the man's class, AND his genuine spiritual experiences. 2) "Now" YOU know this. We discussed this years ago. I MYSELF posted years ago that he STOLE the "1942 promise", and posted this quote as documentation. 3) Yes, that IS where I would advise someone to get their "holy spirit" education- if they were planning on getting it from "vpw's" pfal class. Leonard never claimed any "snow on the gas pumps"- vpw added that in the 1970s. (According to Mrs W, that was when he first made this claim.) Leonard never claimed God promised him ALL answers on ALL subjects-just the ones he asked for on ONE subject. Did Leonard make this claim up the way vpw made his claim up? Well, Leonard didn't just "talk the walk"- Leonard "walked the talk." BG Leonard may not have been perfect, but he WAS "the man he knew himself to be", and walked worthy (not perfect, as if any of us expected him to walk PERFECT) of the calling wherewith he was called. Feel free to disprove me: either find a "snow on gas pumps" account (or its equivalent) among Leonard's writings, or find where Leonard was caught raping congregants or using them for filthy lucre's sake.

Funny thing- on more than one occasion, vpw PUBLICLY announced it WAS repeatable, that it was CONSISTENT. He did this by saying it was just like how 2 atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen compound to form water. "And I don't care if you pray or you DON'T pray, you're still going to get water."

"One man on the couch. Reading." "A literate burgler? How refreshing." "Well who is it? The President? *laughs* " "*laughs* No, sir. It's the Governor." "Who is this again?" "This is Muerte." "Oh, hi, Morty." "No! No Morty! MUERTE! DEATH!" "Yeah, okay, right death..." "You're under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right you may talk, sing, dance, impersonate Elvis or anything else you like. You have the right to an attorney. If you're broke and can't afford one, tough sh*! Now get in the car you suspected felon you!" "Darling, do the oysters come with guns?" "We can tell you part of the story." "You can tell me all of the story." "Part or nothing." "Well how about we bust your @$$ for B and E." "Well how about we talk to that nice governor of yours." "...........Ok, tell me part of the story." "Well, it's hard to know where to begin. My father was a steam fitter, and..." " The relevant part man." "What just happened here?" "I'd say it was a domestic disturbance." "A domestic disturbance?" "Yeah like on the Honeymooners. You remember how Ralph used to fight with Alice." "I don't recollect Ralph using semi-automatic weapons." "But Norton sometimes did. And Mrs. Manicotti on the third floor, wow what a temper." "My source at the FBI said they didn't think you were, and I quote, 'Bureau material.' "That's true. I'm more of an end table." "I always thought of you as a dining room chair."

Correct. *checks* I thought it was the doorknob, not the dormouse. I should have looked it up before posting, like I normally do. Odd how I heard this song the other month, advertising a new video game.

I really thought this would be tougher. Yes, WKRP in Cincinnati. Les Nessman is the one who put up tape to define the "walls" of his cubicle. The others were polite enough to honor them, knocking before "entering."

No.

"Remember what the doorknob said."

Ok, next TV show.... "So long, and may the good news be yours." "This is where the walls of my office would be if I had walls."

Correct! And wasn't THAT a quick exchange!

It was this football practice "wind-sprints" or something. Someone mentioned that before. Other than satisfying the football wannabe, it communicated NOTHING, because it was a move that signified no action other than "running in place."

Since no one else has said it yet..... Why look hard for the pfal tapes when BETTER materials are out there? If you want a one-stop-shop for classes, there's fewer places better than the first place vpw stole the classes from. Go to BG Leonard's group. http://www.ctcoftexas.com/ That's a place if you want some "holy spirit" education. If your preference is for "Bible study", all the best stuff from "vpw's" class is right out of EW Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible." You can buy the book, or get a free download from online. I don't PERSONALLY know of a book that's the equivalent of Stiles' book that vpw ripped off, but there's a LOT more books on the field since vpw stole Stiles' book. I'm sure you can find what you need commercially.

Of course, they lived rent-free in "the Corps Chalet"- which everyone was told would be a place visiting Corps could stay when they were visiting- but was given the name "the President's Home" shortly after it was completed, and Corps were never going to stay there. That reminds me-who's living in there, now? Rent-free, all travel expenses paid for-and NICE TRIPS, nice cars "permanently on loan" to him (who needs to own when you can have all the privileges and none of the responsibilities?), permanent maid/ cook services, PLUS a salary. OF COURSE it was a tax dodge. And a way to look like they were living a LOT less posh than they were. Sweet deal. He got to look like a nice guy, giving you stuff. He got to get rid of things he didn't want, which were his for free. And he got to remove the evidence without telling the IRS he ever received it. Good question. How much of that (non-traceable) CASH ONLY stuff did the IRS ever heard about?

Well, it's worked for them so far, so-other than it being morally wrong, why would they stop using that method? Their followers (their term, remember, not mine) are given what's been called "the mushroom treatment"- being kept in the dark, with manure shovelled in periodically.