WordWolf

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess." "Is this a secure line?" "It is at my end." "One moment. Sorry, Captain. But I think you'll agree, this is a time for caution." "Absolutely." "Does Admiral Leyton know about this report?" "He hasn't mentioned it to me." "Listen to me, Captain. I want that record erased before anyone else sees it. Is that understood?" "I'll take care of it immediately." "Good. That report could cause us a lot of trouble. I'm glad you spotted it." "So am I. I'd hate to see the members of Red Squad get into any trouble."

It seems you think this is "the Valiant." It is not.....

I don't know what she did, but I know Walter taught a class, "Fundamentals of Biblical Research." It was available on Beta, audiocassette, and VHS. (I don't have the Beta version, but I have the others.)

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside." "What can I do for you, sir?" "It's about Red Squad." "Red Squad? Did you get me in?" "Not just yet." "Too bad. Those guys are the best. They're the only people I know who aren't afraid of the Dominion." "Why's that?" "I don't know. They're not scared of anything, I guess."

*continues blasting Black Sabbath and ignoring the round*

Walter did both. I took both. lcm later had "Dealing with the Adversary" redone in some short-lived form called "Our Spiritual Contest". This was in keeping with his "Athletes of the Spirit" paradigm he was pushing. I never heard much about it. (I don't know who taught it.) Sometime later, he came out with his own "Defeating the Adversary" class. Oh, and "Fundamentals of Biblical Research"-that was Walter.

It wouldn't surprise me. In honesty, lcm didn't report that these were specific ideas that vpw had that Harry put the skids under, just that they were ideas vpw had for the property. The accounts of Harry stopping vpw from off-the-wall ideas were separate from this. When I hear ideas like these, I think they're TYPICAL of the types of ideas Harry put a stop to. The one about the houses wasn't dependent upon Gunnison, however. Then again, Harry never stopped that idea, it just never took off. Few people wanted to donate a house to twi.

"Paradise never seemed so well-armed." "I've got plenty of customers. Just look outside."

You're kidding. Ok, give me a minute...

I won't argue that, but there's a certain practicality to require some proof the student's retained some information if they're supposedly preparing to take a class that's supposed to be "Advanced." So, it's a checklist to see if he's indoctrinated himself sufficiently that they can cover new material and not just recap the old stuff. IMHO, it became largely redundant once pfal classes were being rerun each season in many areas. Just sitting through the taped class ensured-by osmosis if by no other reason- that the material was largely covered. After all, what's in the books was mostly what was in the class. (In case anyone's curious, I did my Home Studies inside of 2 weeks when I was preparing for the Advanced class.)

Harry actually ran a business, and was successful with it. It's been reported around here that Harry's most important function was to rein in vpw whenever he came up with his REALLY over-the-top ideas. Some examples I could find instantly: vpw wanted the family ranch in Gunnison, Colorado to have -a gondola to the top of the mountain -a riverside restaurant -a private homes area, a recreation area Oh, and how the "private homes" were supposed to work at Root locales.... People would be allowed to build homes on the grounds, on the condition that the homes would become twi property upon their deaths. AFAIK, only one couple took them up on it. Naturally, when they were kicked out, they weren't paid market-value for the house (or anything else.) So, Harry was the practical one who put on the brakes whenever vpw lost his mind.

Not BladeRunner. Not unless they have a special cut with a LOT of stuff I've never heard of. If that's true, there would be 2 answers.

"TAKE A STAND CARAVAN."

BTW, I'm sure that, at least THIS quote, is an urban legend. http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/grouchocigar.asp

Well, I know this is a TOS episode, because the character "Gem" had a listing in "Who's Who in Star Trek", which predated NextGen. So, she was either in one of the early movies (I would recognize the story) or in The Animated Series (which we don't allow), she was in the original series. ========= This episode wasn't "the Empath", was it?

I believe God speaks in different fashions to different people at different times, or the same person in different styles at different styles. twi instills a smug "we are the only ones right" attitude in everyone it touches (with very few exceptions, and I wasn't one of them.) It can take years or DECADES to free oneself of it, if ever. The wayfer is not allowed to think things over-not HONESTLY, because coming up with different conclusions, even when you can make an airtight case for something-is never allowed. One thing I've learned through the years and the many, many mistakes I've made is that a relationship has to be made of what I consider to be three pillars, more than anything else: Respect Acceptance Trust I can't see how there's any chance for all three while she's in twi and you're thinking for yourself. She can't respect you coming up with different conclusions than twi, and can't respect YOU, not fully, not without conditions/ She certainly can't accept you beyond "maybe he will join twi", can't accept you if you remain as you are in beliefs. Trust? twi says they have to hold more allegiance than your spouse, your family. twi demands MORE trust than any loved one, or ALL loved ones. That doesn't mean a relationship isn't possible- but a HEALTHY relationship doesn't have a chance like that. That's my input, for what it's worth. I wasn't entirely different from you, at one time. I hope you'll stick around with us, whether or not you're connected with twi at any point.

It grows on you. As does a fungus. :) Well, most of the discussion is actually pretty civil. Some discussions (you'll see them on your own) have one or more emotional posters and WILL get less civil, but that's true anywhere people are actually allowed to think for themselves and communicate freely. Loud and heated sometimes, yes, but healthier than the alternative you've already known. "What became of twi." That covers a lot of ground, and a lot of information. There's information you never even IMAGINED, here. What people carried when they left-and still carry-varies widely. Some people have embraced the coping mechanisms they learned in twi, also-which you'll see. Most have not. Feel free to express your opinion. Please don't do it in an insulting, abusive, arrogant or "I know it all and you are all idiots" manner. Each of those tends to get responses which some would see as the natural consequence of "another idiot has arrived and is posting." Some of those people, actually, adjust, and become posters that contribute on their own in a civil fashion. Hopefully, you can skip this step and just post friendly, and disagree politely if you must disagree. At any rate, welcome, and enjoy your stay.

Using someone's fame or credentials to puff up twi was a practice vpw started. As lcm reported in "vp and me", vpw put a judge on the main stage at an ROA for that reason-despite there being reasons to NOT put him there. "Incident of the Federal judge that took the class. Dr recommended that he be put on mainstage at the ROA to speak to the audience. Dr didn't think that he deserved to be put in stage as he had little or no humility. But Dr felt that it would be a major feather in the cap to have a man of such stature in our ministry." lcm continued the practice. "Tony Collins-New England Patriots- WOW pin. LCM was unsure as to whether he should go to New Englandnin advance of the ROA to give him a WOW pin. All the local leadership were against it. They thought that it was being a "RESPECTER OF PERSONS". After talking it over with Dr, he decided to do it as it would further the ministry."" ======= For those who missed that one.... Oakspear: "What went on here? Why did Tony Collins get a WOW pin?" Outin88: "I was there at that Massachusetts limb meeting when they gave Tony Collins a wow pin. They also brought Joyful noise in and made a big deal that Tony was getting this pin. Being a "Respecter of persons" is exactly what I was thinking at the time. mad.gif Oakspear said; "What went on here? Why did Tony Collins get a WOW pin?" I was told he did some kind of "special athletic wow program", because he was a pro football player and could not take time off from the season they made a special exception for him. Wasn't that special! dry.gif I wondered back then and still do, exactly what he did as a special wow. Can you say "Respecter fo Persons"? Oh but it helped further the ministy. rolleyes.gif " ===== We've also come a long way without discussing who Hayes Gahagan was. Don: "He was a State Senator from Maine, who ran for the U.S. Senate, and got clobbered. He then developed a "seminar" for twi's "word in government" arm, called "the Blessings of Liberty" This seminar and "word in government" concept was hijacked by T0m Jenk1ns0n as Gahagan faded into the background of twi "has-beens". http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/po...ts/04242150.asp November 5 - 11, 2004 "Forget the doofusses who prevailed at the ballot box on Nov. 2. It’s time to honor the real winners of the 2004 election with the most coveted of political trophies: The Gaggie. The Gaggie is named for Hayes Gahagan, whose independent US Senate candidacy in 1978 is best remembered for his claim that persons unknown had altered his advertising to insert subliminal pictures of genitalia in his hair. These awards are presented to those who embody the Gahagan tradition of being a couple of lawn signs shy of a campaign." ================================== http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2007/06/...e_crazy_ca.html June 07, 2007 When crazy candidates attack "I just came across an incredible campaign anecdote while working on my dissertation. Check out this excerpt from a Washington Post story on the 1978 US Senate race in Maine: Three independents are challenging Hathaway and Cohen, but only one of them, former state senator Hayes Gahagan, was expected to attract many votes. The campaign of the 30-year-old conservative has foundered, however, since he announced that someone had implanted the word "sex" on his face in his campaign photographs. He says he has since discovered the same word appears in Cohen and Hathaway campaign photographs and he makes no claim to know who is doing the implants. But he is calling for a congressional investigation of what he terms "a national scandal" of subliminal advertising. His problem is that people outside his campaign, including this reporter, can't see the words even with the aid of a magnifying glass. Just to reiterate, Gahagan wasn't some random loon; he was a former state senator who was a serious enough candidate that the Post reporter actually got out a magnifying glass to look for the word "sex." Wow." ============================== http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid61942.aspx "Get awkward How many times do you have to do something weird before you’re permanently designated a wacko? I’m not sure, but Hayes Gahagan has to be getting close. In 1978, Gahagan, then a Republican state senator associated with a religious cult called The Way, quit the party to run for the US Senate as an independent. That September, he announced that persons unknown had somehow inserted subliminal photos of genitalia into his campaign photos. He lost the election. Today, Gahagan lives in Presque Isle and is a member of the Republican State Committee. He recently wrote a Bangor Daily News op-ed piece in which he called liberals and Democrats “National Socialists.” National Socialists? As in Nazis? “National Socialism did not work in Germany,” he wrote, “it did not work in Italy; it did not work in the Soviet Union; it is not working in North Korea, Iran, Cuba or Venezuela. National Socialism will not work in the United States of America.” If Democrats are Nazis, does that make Republicans commies? ============================ ToadFriend noted that twi's official support for Hayes Gahagan for Maine's State Senate is what almost cost twi its tax-exempt status. "...around the time the Way was trying to get folks to support Hayes Gahagan for the Maine Senate, which later almost cost them their tax-exempt status..." =========== Jkboehme: "I think VPW placed Jimmy Doop to head the Gahaygan campaign for TWI: money, support, people, etc. As ToadFriend noted, this incident induced the IRS to set up camp on TWI HQ for several years to audit TWI’s books. It seems odd to me that intensive IRS investigation was somehow just dropped; I smell a plea bargain or possible bribe somewhere in the mix." ============= Shazdancer: "I'd like to hear if anyone knows if TWI got nailed on the Hayes Gahagan thing. For those who may not know, Hayes was a PFAL grad (did he go any higher than that? I don't know) who was state senator in Maine. Perhaps you can fill in more of the details -- did he run for federal office? I remember Wierwille speaking from the stage in endorsement of his campaign. Oopsie, that's a blatant violation of the 501©(3) federal laws governing not-for-profit organizations. The organization cannot endorse a political candidate, and certainly can't contribute organization monies or services to one." "he third major thing is, they organization is not allowed to endorse a political candidate. I have recently found a copy of the letter Wierwille sent in 1976 telling us he endorsed Maine Senator Hayes Gahagan. Although Wierwille does not use TWI letterhead, and denies that the org is endorsing the guy, Wierwille nonetheless used TWI's mailing list for this mailing -- oops! He's lucky he didn't lose TWI altogether over that one." ====== pjroberge: "I recently talked to Hayes and he said that when TWI lost their tax exempt status over this issue that TWI probably lost millions...." ======= GrouchoMarxJr: "The Hayes Gahagan era ushered in a new dimension to twi...I think it was roa 76 or 77...political jabber was on everyone's lips...talk of getting a pfal grad into the White house was the goal...Tom J got involved with the political agenda as well...twiers were encouraged to get involved with local politics and make a "difference". When I first took the advanced class in 1978, it was extremely political...all the illuminati stuff, etc...when I went into residence in 79, I would say that twi had gone into the "Jim Jones" category with all the MAL pack stuff...and in the meantime, twiers were being encouraged to attend John Birch Society meetings, develope survival skills and get ready for the poop to hit the fan."

Since I was unclear, I didn't stand in line for the showers, dressed or not. But they DID lack curtains.

CORRECT! It was Thomas Paine. His two most famous works were: - "the Crisis", written during the American Revolution as a pep talk, the first part, which I quoted, was read to soldiers at Washington's order -"Common Sense", which was going to be my next set of quotes. Those of you who sat through Schoolhouse Rock should remember Thomas Paine wrote "Common Sense" even if you've never heard of "the Crisis." I have a book-copy of "the Crisis" somewhere. Both books are available online for free, of course. ========== Ok, Mstar, the rules are familiar and simple. It is now YOUR turn. YOU pick an author (someone relatively well-known.) Using books from the author, or checking online (or any other way you have), you post quotes from the author. Without looking them up, we have to guess which author it is. Once one of us gets it right, the first who does, it's now THEIR turn.

I showered very, very early and stayed as far away from others as I could manage. Of course, at ROA '89, so many fewer people were there than the previous year that I had the showers to myself with less effort.

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." "I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent."

http://zmpp.sourceforge.net/games/index.html All you had to do was ask. :)

Thomas Aquinas? ============== "So I'm in this movie theater, and there's this ugly, sleazy pervert in the theater besides me. I mean beside me. And he says to me 'Is this seat saved?' I replied 'Well, with Aquinas arguing that even animals have no souls, how much less of a chance does an inanimate object like a CHAIR have of gaining eternal salvation?' 'No-I mean, is anyone SITTING there?' Ah. Ambiguity. The Devil's Volleyball."

I think that leaves two possibilities. I'll try St Francis of Assisi.