WordWolf

WD, once again, you replied to someone's post, but missed actually addressing WHAT THEY SAID. You've been doing that A LOT the past few days, almost as if you're doing your best to not address WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY SAYING....

Ok THIS time, but we all share in posting, since we all would rather guess.... "My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right. Why wait until the middle of a cold, dark night?"

In the interest of moving this along, I'll cede the turn, since that's the closest I'm getting to a correct answer. The song is Willy deVille's "Storybook Love". IIRC, it was covered by Mark Knopfler (of Dire Straits) at the end of "the Princess Bride." The melody, BTW, is played a number of times in the background of the story- it almost serves as a theme song for Wesley and Buttercup. =========== Come my love I'll tell you a tale, Of a boy and girl and their love story. And how he loved her oh-so-much, and all the charms she did possess. Now this did happen once upon a time, When things were not so complex. And how he worshiped the ground she walked, And when he looked in her eyes, he became obsessed. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel, It's as real as the feelings I feel. His love was stronger than the power so dark, A prince could have within his keeping. His spells to weave and steal her heart- Within her breast but only sleeping. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel, It's as real as the feelings I feel. And he said: "Don't you know i love you oh-so-much, and lay my heart at the foot of your dress?" And she said: "Don't you know that storybook loves Always have a happy ending?" Then he swooped her up just like in the books And on his stallion they rode away. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel. My love is like a storybook story, But it's as real as the feelings I feel, It's as real as the feelings I feel. Someone put this together... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczkDCyFJsc

That's where it's from- can you name the title or the artist? (At least 2 singers have performed it.)

No. You've probably seen the movie that includes this in the soundtrack. I'll give it a few more hours and see if something happens.

"Come my love I'll tell you a tale, Of a boy and girl and their love story. And how he loved her oh-so-much, and all the charms she did posess. Now this did happen once upon a time When things were not so complex. How he worshipped the ground she walked, And when he looked in her eyes he became obsessed" "This love was stronger than the powers so dark A prince could have within his keeping. His spells to weave and steal a heart Within her breast but only sleeping"

That's it. "Thine Own Self." Got everything from both quotes, for both subplots. Personally, I liked the Command test subplot more.

Is this AA Milne?

The "time served" part may have triggered a memory-Judge Stone said that a lot in sentencing.

"Congratulations. You just destroyed the Enterprise." "I walked here. From the mountains."

"Congratulations. You just destroyed the Enterprise."

"Now this did happen once upon a time When things were not so complex. How he worshipped the ground she walked, And when he looked in her eyes he became obsessed" "This love was stronger than the powers so dark A prince could have within his keeping. His spells to weave and steal a heart Within her breast but only sleeping"

I'm on the right track, anyway....

Ok, let's see if anyone can name this one... "Now this did happen once upon a time When things were not so complex. How he worshipped the ground she walked, And when he looked in her eyes he became obsessed"

Ok, original series. The threat was vulnerable to ultraviolet light....... and I'm stuck on some of the other details....

That reminds me of that show with Donal Logue... "Grounded for Life".

Just FYI, I could have gotten it from the 3pm post, but I wasn't logged in until about 12 hours later and you'd already voided the clue...

Regardless of past behavior on other threads, I say: let him have this thread. Personally, I love the name.

Just about everything kids have taken an interest in- that wasn't an interest of the parents- has been identified as THE thing that will lead to their moral decline and downfall. Movies, television, comic books, video games, collectible card games, D&D, the list goes on and on. So far, each generation that was supposedly at risk of becoming depraved has managed anyway. "In times like these, it's important to remember that there have always been times like these."

I don't see a "poll" attached to this topic...

From a legal standpoint, I agree there is no obligation whatsoever for JAL to answer to ANY level of inquiry, or participate in ANY level of discussion- unless he's served a subpoena on it. From a moral standpoint, I think the complete isolation from dissent is quite telling. JAL won't answer objections IN HIS OWN GROUP in anything except a closed-door meeting, a "need-to-know" basis. If I were in his group, and supporting it with my money, I would consider myself to have a "need-to-know"-especially when doctrine-and dogma- is being pushed and dissent is not allowed. If JAL was dialoguing to a degree with his own group, I'd easily say "he's too busy to chat with us- but if you want to know what he says to specific complaints openly, check out their own messageboard." I see a moral obligation-for RESPONSIBLE Christians- to be SERVANTS to their congregations and not LORDS OVER their congregations- and to encourage polite, open, honest conversations rather than silence discussion categorically. JAL's UNIVERSAL responses of "buy my book, buy my tape, and read my website" and "if that doesn't address your issue, let's meet SECRETLY" don't strike me as how Jesus wants his disciples to conduct themselves. He met openly and preached, and he told his disciples that what he told them aside, they were to shout from the housetops. The disciples only got quieter when they were getting ARRESTED for speaking up. Furthermore, both the Gospels and the Epistles show an incredible degree of TRANSPARENCY. A leader's getting out of hand? Peter's foibles were laid out in technicolor. A leader breaks the law? We all know about Judas. Sexual immorality becoming an issue in a local church? We read Paul address the Corinthians about this. JAL doesn't have to communicate with us HERE to be fair- but he needs to communicate openly with SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. As it is, he considers himself ABOVE the possibility of error- he's shut off all healthy communication and avenues for finding out he's drifted off the mark. No PUBLIC communication is permitted- and all PRIVATE communication becomes one-sided, with JAL turning each into a COMMERCIAL. He's not legally obligated to do otherwise, but a MATURE Christian, a Christian WORTHY OF RESPECT wouldn't stop his ears up.

Sounds familiar. I hope I'm not just imagining I saw this at some point...

We disagree. I've noted that plenty of GSC'ers ONLY have experience at the GSC, which is why they are unfamiliar with things like sockpuppeting and so on, and complain the policies here are draconian when they're incredibly liberal. It's easy for someone with no experience with trolls- who are eager to always believe the best of others-to honestly be unaware when someone is trying to make a fool of them. I'm extrapolating based on the posts in this thread. Based on not only what was said, but WHEN it was said,I think it fits the evidence nicely. And I don't remember calling either of you "little pawns". That's belittling speech, and I think you have the best of intentions and are being deceived anyway- or, more to the point, BECAUSE you have the best of intentions. However, yes, I think your posts are reflecting what he wants you to say. And-to belabor the point some more- that is according to me. To a manipulator, it doesn't matter how much you disagree with him-just so long as you eventually do what he wants. Even if you disagreed with 95% percent of what he said, if, in the end, you posted what he wanted you to post, he gets exactly what he wants. And I'd like to note here that you're the one who's bringing up "revelation" here. Where did "possession" or "devil spirits" enter into the discussion? Oh, that's right-you just brought them up-and put those words in my mouth. If you're jumping that far to conclusions on what I posted-and can easily see what I did and didn't say- how much might you be misjudging what Bumpy said? I'd consider the possibility you MIGHT not be right in this-you have more to lose than I do, and I certainly entertained the idea I'm reading all this wrong... You're supposing that a guy who's had NO difficulties posting, linking, and emailing so far was telling you the unvarnished truth when he suddenly lost the ability to do them. I'm supposing he's NOT telling you the unvarnished truth. And yet-if he played on your emotions, suddenly seemed HELPLESS and CLUELESS and a VICTIM-which I'm getting on parts of this thread- then you volunteered to jump in....but it was his idea and you were tricked into it. I interpret what happened differently than you. Intelligent people can be deceived- and are every day. Dismissing the possibility that one CAN be deceived is usually the first step in BEING deceived. And he's been demonstrated to my satisfaction to be dishonorable and rude CONSISTENTLY long before now. Even considering he MIGHT be a liar fits right in to what I consider to be his well-established behavior to date. And you'll notice that a number of people said the same thing- without me prompting them. I disagree that offering a few decent posts invalidates the vast majority of posts where he wasted everyone's time- even though they can be used to try to claim he wasn't REALLY trying to waste everyone's time. And if other people have an insightful discussion AROUND him, I no more give him the credit for that than I give vpw credit that we had some quality people enter the corps and survive it remaining as quality people. Actually, YOU suggested it, pg-6, post 105, 7/7, 1:09pm Eastern.[/b]"I'm saying he believed more that gsc tends toward a hate site ... so he acted accordingly." My reply to THAT was "Or is there going to be some spirited defense of his using a sock-puppet online, based on his labelling the site as "naughty" or something?" I replied to YOUR suggestion- "he believed more that gsc tends toward a hate site"-your words, not mine. Actually, I quoted Jonny and the staff back and forth with each other, as a recap. Jonny said (per Bumpy) that what Paw was saying was "completely untrue, non-factual, to him, a fabrication." Paw replied "He is lying to you." I quoted both in their contexts, and added very little. THAT was what you replied to. It was HARDLY a "spirited attack". It was in REPLYING TO YOU (which, supposedly was in reply to the "spirited attack" but was almost entirely a recap of who said what and when) that I said anything that could REASONABLY be viewed as any kind of "attack" or "shot." (My recap post was at 4:26am, your "reply to the spirited attack" was at 7:31am, and my reply to YOU was at 10:11am- and that was the first spirited ANYTHING I posted. If you replied to my 10:11am post's content at 7:31am, that is a very good trick.) ========================== I also noticed you're insisting on converting something I DID say about Bumpy into something I DIDN'T say about him. What I SAID: "I see Bumpy as a person whose social worth is so minor that his sole means of garnering attention revolves around either annoying people, or getting sympathy and pretending he didn't mean to go around taking shots at people, and pretending to be surprised when it blows up in his face." What you HEARD: "What is the point of calling him a worthless liar" I freely admitted to calling him a liar-for I believe there's strong evidence to support that- but posted a correction to the "worthless" comment. I spoke about his "social worth", and you said I addressed his "worth"- as if his social interactions are the sum total of his life. You repeated it, too: "WW called him a basically worthless liar" So, I clarified. First, I specified my grounds for calling him a liar. Then I addressed the other part: "Did I call him "basically worthless"? Not yet I haven't. I have no way of knowing if he gives generously to support widows and orphans in his spare time, or anything else. I can only judge the social behavior he's demonstrated here. So I did. To say the least, it added nothing to the discussions. To say the most, each usage of his keyboard detracted from legitimate discussions." Now, I can see someone disagreeing with me as to whether he's really added nothing to discussions- that's a value judgement, and those are open to interpretation. But I spoke about what I considered to be a lack of SOCIAL worth, and was told I said someone's ENTIRETY was worthless. I said nothing of the kind, and I thought I made that crystal clear with my followup. After I did that, you replied: "'m not willing to say he is a worthless liar ... and I doubt WW knows him well enough to say that either" Well, I think we should wait until WW actually CALLS HIM THAT to address whether WW has said something wrong. Taking something WW did NOT say- and REPUDIATED- and chastising him for saying it ANYWAY is silly. Going to take me to task for condeming the Bible, too? It makes as much sense.... I noticed you're determined to claim I said it, though.... "Not basically worthless ... so his worth revolves around annoying people or getting sympathy ... and that is different than "basically worthless"? I never said his "worth" revolved around anything. I didn't address a whole person-just their conduct in the social category. You're determined to transform that into a statement I neither made, nor endorsed- in fact, I said I have no way of knowing his TOTAL worth and what he does offline, which, for all I know, could be quite philanthropic. (I wouldn't put money on it, but I have no way of knowing he does NOT.) I was straightforward about that. But, according to you, I said the OPPOSITE. You're misreading me-is it POSSIBLE I'm not the ONLY one you're misreading? After all, I'm not trying to trick you in any way. If someone IS, you may misread them further than you're rewriting my comments. ================ Meanwhile, Bumpy-who you claim is acting at least PARTIALLY reasonable and NOT being a troll- is also sending nasty emails to Paw. (Unless you're ALSO calling Paw a liar.) I honestly think you're trying to do the right thing and treat everyone fairly. I honestly think you've been fooled- and refuse to entertain the notion that someone can fool an intelligent adult like that. From what I see, you honestly think you're defending a semi-innocent person from unwarranted allegations, implications and attacks, and think I should just refrain from comment if I see him doing what I consider is negative- or I should come around to your way of thinking because mine is flawed in some way. It seems we're at an impasse. Can we agree that further exchanges on this would be a waste of time? Can we "agree to disagree" and move along? I say we can. What do you say? Can we drop it here, or need this continue for reasons unclear to me?

Correct! Some people may note that "the Ataris" covered this song- but they changed the line I quoted, so that would have been an incorrect artist. (Normally, any artist who did the song counts.)

Sorry- wrong artist, wrong song.