WordWolf

Last time this came up in passing, here's what I posted. =================== t's mentioned here: Genesis 9:2-23. (http://www.biblegateway.com) It says that Ham "saw [Noah's] nakedness". What does it mean? Well, read Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 in their entirety, and you'll see. Leviticus 20:11a is the short form. "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness:" (Or Leviticus 18:8.) So, Ham didn't literally do anything to Mr Noah-he did it to Mrs Noah. Now, the reason Canaan, son of Ham, was cursed becomes a little clearer. (His father was Ham, and his mother...) I wanted to get that covered also. In case anyone's curious, that was covered by one of the corps in one of the "gmir" articles (which stopped around the time PoP was read) and that's where I saw this taught. Further, I lent that article to a guy who had NO connection to twi, and was Jewish-and-when he gave it back, he agreed with the conclusions. ============ Let me know if you need me to expand on this.

Let me get back to this when I have time to do it correctly.

It's also premature to accept that the previous time in any form included a fair, unbiased examination or even an honest skepticism. That was the same time-period you referred to transcribing vpw tapes to the disciples who transcribed Paul's letter. If you're adamant about dancing a few more rounds, Mike, I'll call for the band to play a few more numbers. On the other hand, we can save the time and skip the next round.....

"This is a mistake." "Good Lord, Martin, what would you have me do?" "Anything that would keep them out of here." "We have nothing to hide." "We have a great deal to lose." "What is that... ?" "It's them... Look at this, Martin..." "Think of it another way -- are there still people in your society who have not discovered who they really are or what they're meant to do with their lives... ? They may be in the wrong job... they may be writing bad poetry. Even worse, there may be great poets working as laborers, never to be discovered. That does not happen here." "This is in direct violation of the intentions of our founders, Aaron..." "I don't think they intended us to die, Martin." "We have immeasurably extended the potential of humanity -- physically, psychologically -- we have evolved beyond... beyond..." "Beyond us..." "Thank you, Martin... Perhaps you've also made it clear that we still have a few imperfections we're working on..." "If we do not survive, the balance of our society won't mean a great deal... will it?" "I'll tell you the truth... and I'll deny it if you tell Martin... but today has been exhilarating... meeting you, meeting new people, with new ideas..." "I feel the same about being here... I'm something of a student of Human nature... I find this all fascinating... " "A nursery rhyme my mother used to read to me has been running round and round my mind since this all began..." "A nursery rhyme?" "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall... Humpty Dumpty had a great fall... " "All the King's horses and all the King's Men... Couldn't put Humpty together again." "Why do we tell our children such ghastly stories?" "Perhaps to prepare them for times like these." "We are every bit as fragile as an egg and as impossible to reconstruct... integrated and refined to such a degree that any fundamental change would lead to chaos... Nobody ever talks about how the King feels about being so... helpless... "

My experience is that Firefox is a superior product in every manner that I care about. Especially since it's customizable- and I can add all sorts of additional security measures to it as I see fit.

"This is a mistake." "Good Lord, Martin, what would you have me do?" "Anything that would keep them out of here." "We have nothing to hide." "We have a great deal to lose." "What is that... ?" "It's them... Look at this, Martin..." "Think of it another way -- are there still people in your society who have not discovered who they really are or what they're meant to do with their lives... ? They may be in the wrong job... they may be writing bad poetry. Even worse, there may be great poets working as laborers, never to be discovered. That does not happen here." "This is in direct violation of the intentions of our founders, Aaron..." "I don't think they intended us to die, Martin." "We have immeasurably extended the potential of humanity -- physically, psychologically -- we have evolved beyond... beyond..." "Beyond us..." "Thank you, Martin... Perhaps you've also made it clear that we still have a few imperfections we're working on..." "If we do not survive, the balance of our society won't mean a great deal... will it?"

No.

I didn't pick 2 of the best-known quotes, so I didn't think it was THAT easy. However, it's your turn. :)

This may sound like it, but that's not this one.

I knew of 2 actors in that movie. You named one, I'll name the other. Tom Hanks Apollo 13 Kevin Bacon Amazing how long we've gone before he came up again...

"This is a mistake." "Good Lord, Martin, what would you have me do?" "Anything that would keep them out of here." "We have nothing to hide." "We have a great deal to lose." "What is that... ?" "It's them... Look at this, Martin..." "Think of it another way -- are there still people in your society who have not discovered who they really are or what they're meant to do with their lives... ? They may be in the wrong job... they may be writing bad poetry. Even worse, there may be great poets working as laborers, never to be discovered. That does not happen here." "This is in direct violation of the intentions of our founders, Aaron..." "I don't think they intended us to die, Martin."

"It's not that bad. Well, I'm not saying I'd like to build a summer home here, but the trees are actually quite lovely." "We'll never survive." "Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has."

It is not. And the man's name in that was "Kevin Uxbridge." (I remember it because the collectible card game had a card for him, and it was cross-referenced on a few other cards.)

"This is a mistake." "Good Lord, Martin, what would you have me do?" "Anything that would keep them out of here." "We have nothing to hide." "We have a great deal to lose." "What is that... ?" "It's them... Look at this, Martin..."

"Scrooged."

I imagine this will place me on the "he only makes personal attacks" list (supposing I'm not already there), but I exercise my editorial rights BEFORE I HIT SEND. Nearly all changes I make after posting are COSMETIC. (I don't change the words, just punctuation, brackets, bolding, etc.) I've exercised the right to NOT post, as well. Sometimes, looking over a post, the best thing to do is NOT hit "send." That way, I save myself the trouble of trying to delete it later. Have my posts ever been affected by moderation after that? Yes. Have I agreed with the moderation? Sometimes. And the rest of the time? I give the staff the benefit of the doubt. I can see their position, disagree, see how they got there, and let it go. Then I move on with my posting and with my life. It also looks to me as though Abigail and Garth have used the same or similar approaches to keep from personalizing what's the rather everyday task of moderating a messageboard. (I may be wrong, but it certainly appears that way to me.) It also appears to me that not everyone is prepared to do that. (Phoning the admin over editing of a post? Really? In the middle of the night? Isn't that like using a hammer to kill a flea?)

"Melora?"

I wouldn't be in prison, but I'd definitely have a reputation for acting a lot more precipitously and capriciously than Paw does. That would be fine with me-the same people would make the same complaints, and everyone else would have a less stressful board. I think a lot of people who have never tried staffing a board would have a different perspective if they HAD. I've moderated and staffed, and it's a whole other thing entirely. If posters don't like how any board is managed, they are always welcome to start their own board, or to move to an existing board. I don't get the sense of entitlement I get that people feel they have a Constitutional right to vent at Paw or something.

If people don't like the way you're managing, you're not legally accountable to them. This is why admins are often likened to ogres. They have to lay down the law and that's it. Obviously, it's a sign you're having an effect on people. Otherwise, they wouldn't even think of you or your site. As for me, I'm curious about the other site. Mainly, I want to know what they said about me. If they're not trash-talking me, I may not be getting enough done! No matter what decisions are made, voices will be raised in opposition as loudly as possible. That's pretty much a constant in human experience. I agree.

Ultimately, you need to concern yourself primarily with yourself. If you don't take care of yourself, you'll fall down and go splat, and then will be unable to help anyone at all. See, most other messageboards don't make any attempt to be so transparent in their dealings. Twits get a suspension or a ban and that's it. Anyone doesn't like it, they can leave. As much as the GSC means to us, has meant to us, if it crashed irretrievably tomorrow, we'd all survive one way or another. You have to find a healthier method of managing things-including your own life. If that requires-and you're the only one who can truly know for sure- that you close up the shop and throw away the keys, well, so be it. Those of us who don't care more about your well-being SHOULD. Is it possible the GSC could be delegated, and only "appeals" to the Admin's decisions be directed to Paw? With mods handling day-to-day, and one or more Admins evaluating and making the difficult decisions?

I've heard people say Jesus=Melchizedek. Since there's no verse that I can find that says this, a case must be made FOR or AGAINST, as I see it. Of course, this does take into account that an absence of a clear statement of that as fact can be seen as supporting the case it's not true. (There's no verse that says Jesus smoked cigarettes. This supports the claim he did NOT smoke cigarettes.) I just quoted all the verses that mention Mel. Mel was King of Salem. Mel was a priest of God. Mel was both a secular ruler and ruler under God. Abram gave a tithe to Mel here. This is mentioned later. "Salem"- the name means "peace." Mel was the King of "Peace." This looks like it refers to someone with SIMILARITIES to Mel, but who is very different from Mel HIMSELF. The lack of detail of "the order of Melchizedek" has been exploited by lots of people who've claimed to know what it meant- or claimed they were in that same Order. It seems to me this obviously claims similarities between Jesus and Mel. Again, it seems obvious. More information finally comes here: The inferiority of the order of Levi, the Levites, is shown with the order of Melchizedek. Mel, it says, does not have a geneology that is traced from them. THAT's what it seems is meant by him not having "father" "mother" "geneology", etc. His priesthood was not based on BLOODLINE, nor descent. it was based on an anointing from God, and obedience to God. Moses spoke concerning priests of the tribe of LEVI, not of others. Jesus didn't come from Levi-Jesus came from JUDAH, i.e. NOT LEVI. Similarly, Mel didn't come from Levi. That's the tribe that officiates from the altar. Jesus and Mel both were obedient to God, not Levites, were/will be secular rulers as well as priests of God. Their priesthood isn't conditional on bloodline-and thus not subject to annulment. I say this is clear Mel was "a type" of the Christ to come, just as other things pointed to Christ. However, Mel was no more Jesus HIMSELF than the brass serpent in the wilderness was Jesus HIMSELF. John 3:14-15. 4And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Genesis 14. (NASB) 14-20. 14When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he led out his trained men, born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15He divided his forces against them by night, he and his servants, and defeated them, and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus. 16He brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people. 17Then after his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley). 18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. 19He blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." He gave him a tenth of all. ====================== Psalm 110:1-4. 1The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." 2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies." 3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek." ======================= Hebrews 5: 1-11. 1For every high priest taken from among men is appointed on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins; 2he can deal gently with the ignorant and misguided, since he himself also is beset with weakness; 3and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices for sins, as for the people, so also for himself. 4And no one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even as Aaron was. 5So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"; 6just as He says also in another passage, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." 7In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. 8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, 10being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. 11Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. ========================= Hebrews 6:19-20. 19This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, 20where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. ======================== Hebrews 7:1-17 1For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. 4Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils. 5And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham. 6But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. 7But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. 9And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 10for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him. 11Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. 15And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of (an indestructible life. 17For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10122203-75.html An unpatched security hole in Internet Explorer that is being exploited affects all versions of the browser, making it more serious than originally believed when it was first publicized two days ago, Microsoft says. Microsoft is investigating reports of attacks against a new vulnerability in IE but said in an update to a security advisory issued late on Thursday that all versions of IE are potentially vulnerable. http://reddevnews.com/news/article.aspx?editorialsid=10467 As expected, Microsoft on Wednesday released its second out-of-cycle patch in three months -- this time to plug a widely discussed and "critical" vulnerability in Internet Explorer. This new patch, as described in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-078, is designed to thwart a remote code execution exploit that can occur if a user visits a specially crafted Web page using Internet Explorer. The patch applies to IE5.01, IE6 and all versions of IE7 running on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, Windows XP and XP Professional, Vista, and Windows Server 2003 and 2008.

The references to Chekov makes this "the Naked Time." "The Naked Now" was the "sequel." Which still means Cindy! was correct. I was just clarifying. (Presuming she is correct.)

Those unable to resolve their mid-life crisis shall be cursed to relive it until they do, or until they die.