WordWolf

Bingo.

Hello. Now, with "similarities" between BG Leonard's class and pfal, here's what happened. The first iteration of pfal was "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today", and WAS a complete copy of Leonard's class without Leonard's name. That's why grads of Leonard's class were automatically considered grads of "vpw's" class. Why was it the same class? vpw planned it that way. He talked his way into one of Leonard's classes, took it again the next time it was offered, then, 3 months later, asked Leonard for permission to run "LEONARD's" class locally on a onetime basis. Leonard approved of it, giving vpw the benefit of the doubt. So, vpw took Leonard's class, said "this is my class", ran it, charged money for it, and send Leonard a class photo for his collection. After that, vpw kept teaching Leonard's class with vpw's name on it. Later, he added JE Stiles' and Bullinger's books on the Holy Spirit, and Bullinger's stuff on "how the Bible interprets itself." Later classes included some Aramaic distractions courtesy of Lamsa-but few. Oh, and Kenyon, where this Word-Faith business of the supposed "LAW" of believing is inserted. The later classes looked less like Leonard clones because of the new material- and how they were stretched into 3 levels of class after that.

Many, many congratulations! Including being able to log in long enough to actually post in the middle of all that. Now, of course, you realize YOU don't have the baby-the baby has YOU. ;) I'm sure you'll be very happy about this in the long term, despite individual moments of frustration here and there. At least, with his complexion, nobody's trying to convince you he has jaundice. When I was born, before I got a few minutes of real sunlight, people were trying to scare my parents like that. My pediatrician took one look at me and laughed that off. Sure enough, all I needed was a few minutes of sunlight to tan a little.

Some of the quotes were noteworthy. "I'll never understand the humanoid need to......couple... " "You've never... coupled?" "Choose not to. Too many compromises. You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..." Quark, when Odo explains "relationships." "If you'd listen to me, you'd be eating steamed Azna too... " "Dax, did I ever tell you about the meals my father used to cook for us when we were kids...?" "All the time..." "Every night at my house, my dad insisted that we have supper together as a family. He would try out his new recipes on us... he used to call us his "test tasters." "Steamed Azna will put years on your life." "I don't want years on my life. Not if I can only eat steamed Azna... sauteed... rolloped... fricasseed -- fine. But not steamed... " Dax, back during her "steamed azna" episodes (before the spot-counting episodes), and Sisko explaining his father-who owned a restaurant- made a point of coming home for dinner with his family all the time. Admirable, if unusual for a restaurant owner. (Then again, maybe the family came to the restaurant and ate in an anteroom or something. Maybe their home was a block from the restaurant.) "I don't want you on this station." "That's too bad. I have every right to be here." "I decide who has rights and who doesn't on this Promenade." "Better ask your Federation superiors about that." "I don't have to ask anyone." "You have twenty-six hours to get off this station." Odo and Ibudan. "And they were just looking for trouble... those kids have no reason to be hanging around the Promenade..." "It's about the only place they have to go... you can't keep them locked in their rooms..." "It's not like a starship, Miles... the kind of freedom that children have on the Enterprise just won't work on a space station... there are too many ways to get into serious trouble here..." Miles and Keiko discussing the station and children. "I know I'll have to come up with an innovative program... But I can't imagine any parent not welcoming the news of a school opening here. Thank you again, Commander." Keiko to Sisko.

CORRECT! This is the episode. "A Man Alone" was one of the early DS9 episodes. Ibudan wasn't a Vedek... Odo: "His name is Ibudan... he used to run black market goods through here to the surface during the Cardassian occupation... gouging his fellow man who needed medical supplies and so forth... some Bajorans actually considered him a hero. But I saw him let a child die when the parents couldn't afford the drug that would've saved her life. A few years back, he killed a Cardassian officer who wanted a payoff to look the other way. He went to prison for murder. I sent him there......The provisional government let him go. Killing a Cardassian isn't considered much of a crime nowadays." Ibudan tried to frame Odo for his own murder, a "locked room mystery." Instead, Ibudan killed his own clone and hid. When the game was up, he went to jail- killing your clone is still considered murder. Keiko felt useless on the station, and there really IS nothing for children to do on the station, so opening a school is a good idea. Later episodes showed her claim that she'd be "innovative" didn't count for much when she wanted to claim ONE point of view was THE correct one and others were WRONG.

"How did you know it was me?" "There are different ways to recognize someone... the rhythm of their steps, for example." "You're... remarkable." "I'll never understand the humanoid need to......couple... " "You've never... coupled?" "Choose not to. Too many compromises. You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..." "If you'd listen to me, you'd be eating steamed Azna too... " "Dax, did I ever tell you about the meals my father used to cook for us when we were kids...?" "All the time..." "Every night at my house, my dad insisted that we have supper together as a family. He would try out his new recipes on us... he used to call us his "test tasters." "Steamed Azna will put years on your life." "I don't want years on my life. Not if I can only eat steamed Azna... sauteed... rolloped... fricasseed -- fine. But not steamed... " "I don't want you on this station." "That's too bad. I have every right to be here." "I decide who has rights and who doesn't on this Promenade." "Better ask your Federation superiors about that." "I don't have to ask anyone." "You have twenty-six hours to get off this station." "And they were just looking for trouble... those kids have no reason to be hanging around the Promenade..." "It's about the only place they have to go... you can't keep them locked in their rooms..." "It's not like a starship, Miles... the kind of freedom that children have on the Enterprise just won't work on a space station... there are too many ways to get into serious trouble here..." "Cause of death is no mystery. The knife was thrust directly between the left and right thoracic vertebrae... perforating the lower ventricle of the heart. The murderer apparently had a decent knowledge of Bajoran anatomy." "Doctor, I want you to look for evidence that could establish someone was in here with him..." "I'll do a sweep for hair follicles, any skin or cellular remnants, and DNA fragments... " "I know I'll have to come up with an innovative program... But I can't imagine any parent not welcoming the news of a school opening here. Thank you again, Commander." "Wait a minute. Ibudan goes in the holosuite alone, locks the door... nobody transports in... a few minutes later he's murdered... how is that possible?"

I'm not Shaz, but I found the post easily enough. pg-12, post 224, "ONLY Rule..." thread.

"How did you know it was me?" "There are different ways to recognize someone... the rhythm of their steps, for example." "You're... remarkable." "I'll never understand the humanoid need to......couple... " "You've never... coupled?" "Choose not to. Too many compromises. You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..." "If you'd listen to me, you'd be eating steamed Azna too... " "Dax, did I ever tell you about the meals my father used to cook for us when we were kids...?" "All the time..." "Every night at my house, my dad insisted that we have supper together as a family. He would try out his new recipes on us... he used to call us his "test tasters." "Steamed Azna will put years on your life." "I don't want years on my life. Not if I can only eat steamed Azna... sauteed... rolloped... fricasseed -- fine. But not steamed... " "I don't want you on this station." "That's too bad. I have every right to be here." "I decide who has rights and who doesn't on this Promenade." "Better ask your Federation superiors about that." "I don't have to ask anyone." "You have twenty-six hours to get off this station." "And they were just looking for trouble... those kids have no reason to be hanging around the Promenade..." "It's about the only place they have to go... you can't keep them locked in their rooms..." "It's not like a starship, Miles... the kind of freedom that children have on the Enterprise just won't work on a space station... there are too many ways to get into serious trouble here..." "Cause of death is no mystery. The knife was thrust directly between the left and right thoracic vertebrae... perforating the lower ventricle of the heart."

That includes his "Uriah" fallacy- despite the fact that I disproved it, predicted he'd post it in six months, and then reposted my answer 6 months later almost to the day, since he posted it again in six months.

Stop and think really hard. During all the famous yelling, face-meltings, and purging, were all the people in the room (not the yeller, the regular people) gleefully observing the whole process? Or were they uncomfortable, and only relieved that it wasn't THEM that was the target? Even in the most twisted fellowships, I hear people reporting that they regretted never speaking up, and let others be verbally abused, or others never spoke up for them that knew better. Or, are you saying that you were THRILLED during each face-melting you attended, without ever a thought that it might have been misplaced?

It's easy to just label someone's questions and presuppose they're "designed" for something other than actually "getting answers". With several people trying to get answers- and lots of posts from someone like Mike going on for PARAGRAPHS of "I only have limited time" (and spending a lot of it saying he's not going to answer most questions), it looks like he's trying to duck most of them. Besides, he can answer questions at any pace he sees fit. Since many of these are still the same questions from 2003 that STILL haven't been answered, it should be easy TO answer them now.

It's struck me more that splinter groups have been "AIRLOCKS" for twi survivors. That is, when leaving twi, it's easier to spend some time in a splinter group, then to eventually look around and realize there's a great big world out there- a world with all sorts of Christians with happy lives. Then the twi survivor can leave the splinter and rejoin the rest of humanity.

"How did you know it was me?" "There are different ways to recognize someone... the rhythm of their steps, for example." "You're... remarkable." "You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..." "I don't want years on my life. Not if I can only eat steamed Azna... sauteed... rolloped... fricasseed -- fine. But not steamed... " "Cause of death is no mystery. The knife was thrust directly between the left and right thoracic vertebrae... perforating the lower ventricle of the heart."

"Why hasn't loy started his own splinter group?" http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=4649 My answer was Seriously? A) Towards the end, he wandered around campus, addled, and confused as to how the women in his life had set him up as the sole perpetrator of all the sins of the inner circle. B) He was successfully labelled as the Single Villain. Therefore, he can't build a base with ex-twi or CURRENT twi. Supposedly, one man claimed if he had even 7 totally loyal men, he could start a religion. lcm is short 7 men for even that much. C) lcm lacks the skills to build himself up as a religious leader to more than a boy scout troop. lcm was coccooned into twi at an early age, and only retains the skills he learned thru college (mostly athletics) and the skills he learned since then (mostly, how to bark orders and micromanage.) Like a career politician, he's out of touch with how real people live, how real Christians think, and what they care about. He'd be a missionary to a foreign country, whose customs are nearly incomprehensible. (Unless he's learned humility since then-if he has, he may understand, but understands he will only harm himself or others if he takes the big chair.) D) lcm doesn't have anything to offer people. His understanding of Scripture is sub-standard among average Christians, and his manner is abrasive. He can't get converts from people who just want him to shut up.

I remember this. It was when I was trying to keep track of the Mikean system's claims that I concluded Steve might be on to something in his line of questioning, and paid more attention. Mike's ACSFW spirit, obviously, is the thing that showed him JC descending from the clouds with the Orange Book in his hand "MANY TIMES". It's also how Mike was told "Jesus is very interested in pfal. He told me so himself." The lonely and the desperate- facing decades of wasted youth and the prime of their life- can be so desperate to make wasted time valued, can be so desperate for simple answers- that they can be victims in a spiritual "confidence game" and never realize it, thus wasting the REST of their lives worse than the early parts.

Frankly, there's lots of free daily devotionals online. I find it's a lot easier to deal with those than with paper booklets nowadays.

"How did you know it was me?" "There are different ways to recognize someone... the rhythm of their steps, for example." "You're... remarkable." "You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..."

It's very simple, you see. When vpw said it, it's sacrosanct, since it was an utterance of God and beyond question. When Steve L says it, it's to be vilified, since it's not what Mike wants to hear. So, first of all, reading what is written (the most basic vpw rule) goes out the window- what Mike WANTS IT TO SAY is now what it says. That's why Mike remembers himself as having won all sorts of debates here, never facing logic, and never facing reasonable questions. Mike rewrites the threads in his mind (or they're rewritten FOR him by his ACSFW spirit, I'm unclear which) and he ends up reading completely different threads than we do (or any stranger can.) So, all Mike HAS to offer is accusations, judgements, dodges, distractions, denials, non-informative questions, and so on.

You just confirmed his point- if the CRUCIAL part of the message was UTTERLY LOST, then the OVERALL MESSAGE was UTTERLY LOST. If all that's left of information is incidental and non-critical, it has been destroyed as a whole. How about an Amtrak train that had everything-except the ENGINE? Where's that going to take you? How about instructions for operating a device where how to turn it on and off, and troubleshoot, are missing? A flashlight missing batteries? An automobile with no engine, but all tricked out? If the CRUCIAL PART of something is lost, it is lost OVERALL. ============ In other words, what's inconvenient to you to be intact about God's Word- that's been irretrievably lost. The parts you don't care about- that can survive. Interesting how plenty of experts in the field have documented their findings, and come to the opposite conclusions as you. Obviously, you'll be smearing their character without learning anything about them- anything to try to discredit information that is inconvenient to you, or contradicts your claims.

Mike: It sure would be a nice contrast to the Mikean system, where the rules are determined by taking a stack of books with various editions, a stack of tapes, and a pile of magazines, and then rank information as having GREATER or LESSER authority. That's why Mike can't give a straight answer on anything. vpw claimed the Bible/Word functioned "with a mathematical exactness and with a scientific precision", and that nearly all of it explained itself "in the verse right where it is written." That would mean truth in one book would be internally consistent- and equally-reliable-- as truth in any tape, and so on. Each would stand alone as truth- if somehow the stack of books, tapes, and magazines was meant to be a single unbreakable book. The truth in Chapter 2 stands on its own, as does the truth in Chapter 22. But in the Mikean system, reading something in one book right where it's written is NOT authoritative- the Orange Book is NOT authoritative by itself- it must be interpreted in light of HUNDREDS of pounds of materials across a variety of media, and only in light of the Mikean belief system-a system missing from the Orange Book's keys to understand Scripture. So, ACCORDING TO THE MIKEAN SYSTEM, NONE of the books of vpw is actually "unbreakable" or "authoritative." It all has to be interpreted by Mike's system- and it's the Mikean system that's the single, authoritative standard. Those of you who want that system actually quantified, well, you'll be disappointed. The only PERMANENT parts are: "vpw's books are God-breathed." "Error in vpw's books are not actually error-but demonstrate a flaw in the reader." "Dodging, distracting are fine, but not admitting an error is an error." "Giving a straight answer rather than lots of vague questions is forbidden."

It was great-it was a natural gesture. We knew from "Rascals" that Jean-Luc grew up with hair. We knew from "the First Duty" that Jean-Luc had hair in his Academy days. (When he meets up with Boothby again, Boothby's first words to him are "I remember you. What happened to your hair?") That having been said, just ignore "Star Trek:Nemesis" whenever anything in it contradicts the series-the people in charge of that movie NEVER SAW Star Trek! It's why I can rattle off solutions to the "unsolvable" problems" in the last 20 minutes of the movie. (And why the Scimitar made no sense, the Romulans made no sense, Shinzon made no sense, the Remans just appear out of no where...) That movie was a huge step BACKWARD in script-writing. There were avoidable errors all over the movie. (Like the claim Picard shaved his head back at the Academy.)

Ok, since no one else is going to take it.... This is called, IIRC, "RASCALS." It's a NextGen episode where a transporter accident makes Picard, Guinan, Ro Laren, Keiko O'Brien children again. While they're kids, a handful of Ferengi, and their ship- manage to take the Federation's flagship prisoner. The kids are able to use their appearance as kids to turn the tables on the Ferengi. Ensign Ro HATED her childhood the FIRST time, and considered this a virtual prison sentence. Guinan-an adult for the last several hundred years- treated it like a vacation. Keiko was married with a child- and Miles was REALLY in a bad position no matter WHAT he did. Picard COULD have returned to the Academy, followed Archeology for a decade, "and still become the youngest Admiral in Starfleet history", but he wasn't able to accept the sudden step down. (He wasn't married or in a relationship, and had no dependents. Many people in his position would be THRILLED to return to the Academy, get a new degree, and gain another 30-40 years of relative youth.) Riker bought some time with the Ferengi by explaining the Enterprise's system- using the most technical language and technobabble to just confuse the Ferengi he instructed. Picard DID figure out the only way to get computer functions was to pretend to be Riker's son, and throw a tantrum if he couldn't see his father immediately. A young Alexander Rozhenko was also quite instrumental in carrying out their plans. (As he got older, he seemed to lose all his agility and dexterity though- the kid who snuck around HERE became a teen who drops things all the time in Klingon warships.

I think he's contrasting "you have to finish the foundational, then wait for the next time CFS runs" with "it's right in the foundational, when you're still forming your first impression of twi." I still think lcm's response right on tape says it all: "Don't see it? Too bad (laughs)- I do!"