WordWolf

Don't bother. Apparently, 2+2=4 when dealing with Christians, 2+2=3 when dealing with Jews, 2+2=5 when dealing with Mormons, with the truth of the speaker changing, depending on the audience.

Of course, vpw (who knew nothing about the military) was fond of saying "the suggestion of a General is tantamount to a command" (while insinuating, implying, etc that he was this General he was speaking of.)

Has she jogged your memory yet, James, or does she need to post some more to jog it?

PHPHPHBBBBTTTTT!!!!! Some of us are born with exceptional IQ potential. Some of us are born with exceptional musical potential. Some of us are born with exceptional athletic potential. Some of us are born into rich families. Nothing takes the place of hard work, but then ability is always a bonus no matter what the field is. None of that makes God a respecter of persons. Some dogs are born small, some dogs are born huge. Some dogs are friendly but dumb, some dogs are exceptionally smart for a dog. Some dogs can pull a sled, some dogs can follow a trail. None of that makes God a respecter of dogs. The differences are genetic variation within the species, and the potential passed along by the parents. If God interfered with that process, THEN he'd be a respecter of (fill-in-the-blank.)

Next movie. "We're willing to wipe the slate clean, give you a fresh start. All that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice."

Bravo. An excellent post overall.

That guess was hardly "wild". It IS "Taxi Driver." Travis suddenly begins focusing his life when he prepares to do violence- working out, buying guns, fashioning a custom holster, looking tough in the mirror ("You talking to me?...."), then tries to shoot the Governor/Presidential candidate. He fails. Meanwhile, he's been trying to get Jodi Foster's character to give up prostitution. When he sees her pimp victimizing her, he gets her out of there by shooting up the place-and shooting all the criminals. He becomes reported as a hero for rescuing that young girl from criminals. Meanwhile, it's soul searcher's turn.

No. I'm glad it wasn't too obvious. IMHO, this movie is better known than "V For Vendetta."

A man adds direction to his life, and attempts to become a public enemy, but accidentally ends up being proclaimed a hero.

Wikiquote's main page in English: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikiquote's index for television shows with quotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Television_shows They also have sections for films and literary works, and that doesn't even count the other languages. Just go to the page for television shows, and look through the alphabetized list of shows with quotes listed. Then pick one you're interested in, and look at its quotes. If it only has 1 or 2, you might want to pick a different show.

Check the date and time the poster posted. Check the date and time the moderator posted. If you find a long post like that which was posted AFTER the moderator's message, then by all means report it. I haven't seen one (yet).

He dodged and changed the subject because that's all he's got. Someone already demonstrated he doesn't even understand the sections he's quoted, and his insults just cover his fears he will see himself as clumsy as we've seen him, stumbling his way through discussions with nothing to offer but insults-and certainly no SUBSTANCE. With no ability to discuss or debate here, it's obvious his claims of success, skill and even competency elsewhere are nothing more than wind. Anyone can make any claim, but it's not hard to see who's all sizzle here, and who's got the steak to match their sizzle. We've had quite a week of grizzle, I'll say that. Must be the changing weather.

IIRC, they did, with 2 different orders of ordination. So, they ordained each other with the first order, then ordained each other with the second order.

Which means, since this was correct, Hwtb is up at bat.

Just going from this, I suspected it was "Oh, Brother, Where Are Thou?"

"Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer." I was a bit busy lately, but the "You're on fire!" "YOU THINK?????" exchange is hard to forget. Even if I only got it off the commercials. :)

I thought it bore repeating. =============================== Before I forget to mention this, I may disagree with Abigail concerning doctrine, but I respect her beliefs and I respect the integrity with which she holds them. Similarly, I may disagree with many Christians concerning doctrine, but respect their beliefs and the integrity with which they hold them. That does not apply to everyone, and trying to meld an incomplete understanding of Christianity to an incomplete understanding of Judaism is only going to produce an odd patchwork creature that displays the weaknesses of both, and weaknesses neither has. It's like trying to draw a picture of a tall, fat, skinny little man. It's not going to work. Of course, someone can CLAIM it would work, but then opinions are not guaranteed, and denial has had a long, proud tradition upon the face of the earth.

So far, it seems every time someone ex-twi has set up another religious group, it's resembled twi in any number of ALARMING things, like the authoritative leader, lack of accountability, making a profit, etc. This shouldn't be terribly shocking. There's a reason that the saying is well-known: Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Those who don't "purge their systems" of twi poison end up perpetuating the system, like an abused child can become an abuser if they don't get help and get rid of toxic ideas, toxic behavior....

For the curious, James crossposted the same response to 2 threads. My response to this was already posted, so I'll just link to the page.

[Well, since you're determined to end your understanding there and INSIST that Christians are supposed to follow all the Law of Moses, I see I'm going to have to be more obvious. BTW, just about everybody else here has no trouble with this, so this is unnecessary most of the time....] Galatians 2:16-20 16nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. 17"But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be! 18"For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19"For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." ================================= Galatians 3:1-14 1You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain? 5So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. 10For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM." 11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." 12However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- 14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ================================= Galatians 3:23-26 23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. ============================================= [i know, I know, you've got your own personal spin on all that. We're not required to sip your Kool-Aid, however. We can read it for ourselves, and the contortions it takes to invalidate a straightforward reading of this and reverse its meaning from "we don't need the law anymore" to "we need the law now" do not appeal to the locals here. This is not fertile ground for your doctrine, your organization, or your proselytizing. That having been said, I'm not saying you're being kicked out. I'm saying it's plain to us that you're here with an agenda, and I'm telling you that agenda won't get done here. You can go try to accomplish it somewhere else, but you're setting up a Sabrett's Hot Dog stand in front of a vegan convention and waiting to see how much business you're going to get. (In case it wasn't obvious, I'm using a figure of speech- dwelling on the specifics of the figure would be moronic. I bring that up because vpw did it sometimes, as have others. I want to save you the trouble of doing the same just this once.}]

And some of the people who were "disfellowshipped"/"marked and avoided" by twi went on to form their own cults. And vpw himself left a legitimate church to form his cult in the first place. Leaving a cult is no guarantee one won't rejoin a cult, or even make their own cult. In fact, the odds are worse for them than the average person on the street. Unless they learn what was so toxic and harmful the first time, they'll repeat the mistakes of others like someone caught in the cycle of child abuse.] ["I didn't split from one group to IMMEDIATELY create another" =\= "I didn't split from one group and create another." You're even claiming you were critical in this "Nazarene Judaism" organization. That sounds more like an accidental CONFESSION than anything else, around here. [twi hasn't "disfellowshipped" many people since 1996, either- it's about overall numbers. There were too few people to just kick them out. BTW, you disagree with all the posters here so far as to what the "essentials" even ARE, and the idea you're AGAINST division over non-essentials is a funny one to those who've kept up with your posts. ]

[Apparently, that's EXACTLY what he meant.] [When the people who supposedly are on your side are pointing out that your thinking is fundamentally flawed, you need to start over with more diligence and humility- you're missing the obvious.] [Just from what little he's posted already, it's clear that Decomposer lacks a basic understanding of what he's condemning, so his defense mechanism is to pronounce sentence on it and declare it unclean. Since he's putting forth himself as at least a PASSING intellectual, and is actually BELOW AVERAGE, it becomes obvious what his obsession with "hypocrisy" stems from. Just as vpw couldn't tolerate hearing the suggestion that Paul was a sex maniac because his own faults were that he HIMSELF was a sex maniac, Decomposer despises hypocrisy with a hot vendetta- he HIMSELF is hypocritical, and trying to wage war on hypocrisy outside of himself so he can ignore the hypocrisy INSIDE OF HIMSELF. Jesus would have told him to get the beam out of his own eye before trying to help with the splinter in someone else's eye. Too bad Composer is unable to comprehend good advice if it comes from a religious source no matter how badly he needs it....]

[it's a demonstration of the calcification of James Trimm's thinking process that he can't see what's clear to all the other posters, that is, the meaning of the replies he's getting.] Acts 15:1-31 1Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." 2And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue. 3Therefore, being sent on their way by the church, they were passing through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and were bringing great joy to all the brethren. 4When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. 5But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses." 6The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. 7After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8"And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10"Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11"But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." 12All the people kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me. 14"Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. 15"With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, 17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,' 18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO. 19"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21"For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath." 22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas--Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23and they sent this letter by them, "The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings. 24"Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, 25it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27"Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell." 30So when they were sent away, they went down to Antioch; and having gathered the congregation together, they delivered the letter. 31When they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement. [but would James Trimm ask us for money? I mean "again" since he already solicited donations for his lawyer....]

[The GSC posters tend to operate on the principle "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." That or "Once bitten, twice shy." Or both, in most cases.] [i can see there's something of a consensus building about that. James isn't the first such person to arrive at the GSC, he's just the flavor of the week. Sadly, he won't be the last, either.] [Technically, you may not. Technically, neither did victor paul wierwille. However, he orchestrated things so as to get people to consider him God's Sole Spokesman, and tell that to others, all without him mouthing the actual words. He understood the concept "plausible deniability" if only at a subconscious level. We've learned since then. And seen it since then.] [You're presuming he hasn't worn out his welcome in other playgrounds. He's presuming someone here is interested in what he's "selling", when we already rejected this sort of thing the first time.] [We know that- we've seen your stuff on more than one website. We can correct you here, but not everywhere.] [Ezekiel 33:1-5 1Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: 3If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. 5He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. ]