WordWolf

Next round..... "Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time."

There was more than one type of purge, so there was more than one type of reason. In the "wonderland" threads, we found that vpw had occasionally (twice we know of) taken a Corps group, and kicked them out. In the case of the "Zero Corps", he let some of them re-apply for the "First Corps". (We don't know how many were offered this, nor how many, IF any, accepted.) In the case of a later Corps, vpw told them they'd be re-accepted if they wrote out this big loyalty letter and swore loyalty. "Most" of them did so. That was a loyalty thing, for the corps, which affected a relatively small number of people. The person it affected the MOST, however, was lcm who watched it happen. In 1988-1989, lcm rose from his fog, and the first thing he did was demand an oath of loyalty to him PERSONALLY. We know that's what he intended-PERSONALLY- because one of our posters phoned him and asked him directly. (Out There):"When I received the Loyalty letter in the mail I immediately called LCM and by some miracle after leaving a message he actually called me back. When I asked if this letter was a call to blindly follow him he said I had been doing this all along. I then told him that's what he thinks he could 'kiss my @$$'. I think I was dropped from the rolls of the Way Corps that next morning." As I see it, lcm learned from vpw that you could demand an oath of loyalty of people, and that most of them would fall in line if you did so. lcm learned this incorrectly, since this wasn't UNIVERSAL- vpw demanded it of people who were already personally loyal to HIM- they were in the Corps AND convinced (deceived) vpw was a godly minister doing what God wanted. They were a pre-screened group most likely to swear an oath of loyalty to him. In the case of lcm, he did it with a much LARGER group, not pre-screened. They were NOT convinced he was a godly minister doing what God wanted- not necessarily, and certainly not to the degree they thought that of vpw. My God, some people still think God would say of vpw (conman, rapist, pervert) "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Something ONLY said of Jesus Christ HIMSELF.) lcm got many responses carefully qualified, saying, approximately, "I will stand with you as long as you stand on The Word." Those people were fired. Everybody who didn't swear an oath of loyalty to lcm PERSONALLY and WITHOUT QUALIFIER was fired. We know lcm thought people were supposed to "BLINDLY FOLLOW HIM" and that was SUPPOSED TO BE THE STATUS QUO. lcm didn't want leaders, he wanted mindless drones. lcm actually expected the majority of twi leadership- the people he initially directed this towards- to swear blind loyalty to him. But the people at the top, and thus all points coming downwards from there- all knew at least a LITTLE about there being problems, being reasons to be hesitant to invest blind loyalty in lcm in particular, even if they were likely to give blind loyalty in general. (GSC has had recaps of what was known more recently, for the forgetful and the new arrivals.) What happened? A lot of the top leadership- Regional, Limb/State, Territory, Branch, Corps, WOW vets, Advanced grads- all refused to swear blind loyalty to lcm, so he fired them. They all stayed in contact, since he fired nearly the entire twi framework, which largely remained intact and did their thing without lcm raving at them. About 80% of the people who were in twi before lcm drew his "line in the sand" left- 4 of every 5 people. The fastest way to see that was to see that the attendance at the next ROA was 20% of the previous year, and many of those people who DID attend were resolved this would be their LAST ROA. ================ After 1990 came more purges. The people who weren't blind followers had already left- except for the people who served UNDER the blind followers who were actively deceived by them as to what was going on. So the later purges were NOT about loyalty. "Witnessing" was to be focused on people who had "all their teeth" and their own cars and so on- effectively, people who had no needs, leaving only people who could be USED by twi and not be expected to need things in return. So, new arrivals were being SCREENED before they joined- which meant new arrivals arrived in MUCH smaller numbers. As to purging the people who were still around, and purging the new arrivals, I think there were lots of reasons, and the posts on this thread state them better than I could.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/biblestudy.asp

Congratulations on moving on!

Is this the Deep Space 9 episode where the station's security protocols kick in and think there's been a prison uprising and the Bajorans overran the Cardassians? Gul Dukat's voice was on the recordings that went off at each stage. I don't remember- clearly, at least- Quark and Odo trapped in the Constable's office.

I suspect the first quote, now that I recognize the second quote, was when Boss Grissom went back to his own office and spotted Jack alive, just before Napier reveals his new appearance as the Joker. (Jack Napier, jackanape, get it? No, I didn't get it either....)

Other than Fox, all the "sources" are BLOGS quoting Fox News. Wake me when someone reputable covers the story.

That's the one.

Actually, there are people who've learned about eternal life, getting born again, and overcoming fear from people in the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not one, but I've met some. As for speaking in tongues, some Roman Catholics, among other groups, are "charismatics", and do teach on speaking in tongues. Whether THEY or twi are more correct on speaking in tongues is a matter of differing opinions. I'm at least suspicious of the man who supposedly taught us on it- when the approach was mechanized and linear, and the results ended with him always using the same handful of syllables whenever he supposedly spoke in tongues as an example. And yes, the Roman Catholics I saw who learned that didn't need to be infested with love of filthy lucre, plagiarism, or doctrines approving rape when they were taught. (The Catholic Church, at the very least, never teaches God's ok with rape or molestation- but vpw himself taught that to people in his inner circle and set the stage with much of the way corps.

"Let us pray...for understanding and for compassion." "Let us do no such damn thing!" "Fairness is such a Human concept, think imaginatively! This game shall, in fact, be completely unfair!" "You've gone too far!" "Game penalty!" "We don't have time for these games." "The rigid Klingon code! 'Drink not with thine enemy!' " "I'd see the freckles on his nose, if he had them, sir. He's at the third ridge now..." "The third ridge?" "Moving well."

Hm. ONE local news source, plus FoxNews. (Total, one news source.) Nobody else has picked the story up. Normally, you get a FEW local sources to pick something up.....

http://www.10news.com/news/19585458/detail.html Pastor Fights County Over Permit For Home Bible Study POSTED: 6:40 pm PDT May 27, 2009 UPDATED: 8:49 am PDT May 28, 2009 BONITA, Calif. -- A local pastor said the County has cited him for hosting a weekly Bible study in his home. The County said visitors who drive to those meetings are affecting traffic in the neighborhood. Pastor David Jones has been hosting weekly Bible studies at his Bonita home during the past five years. About 15 people attend the meetings, he told 10News. Jones said a visitor to a neighbor's house called the County after a Bible study member hit the visitor’s car while leaving. Shortly after, a county code enforcement officer gave him a citation that said he needed a permit to host the weekly Bible study meetings, he said. Jones and his attorneys sid he shouldn't have to get a permit for what he does inside his house. "We think it is clearly permissible. We think this is a violation of our constitutional rights," Jones told 10News. A County spokeswoman says the County is concerned with parking and its impact on the neighborhood. The two sides met Wednesday but resolved nothing. Jones said they're scheduled to meet again on June 9. http://www.10news.com/news/19562217/detail.html Couple: County Trying To Stop Home Bible Studies POSTED: 5:31 pm PDT May 25, 2009 UPDATED: 1:45 pm PDT May 28, 2009 SAN DIEGO -- A local pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a San Diego County official, who then threatened them with escalating fines if they continued to hold Bible studies in their home, 10News reported. Attorney Dean Broyles of The Western Center For Law & Policy was shocked with what happened to the pastor and his wife. Broyles said, "The county asked, 'Do you have a regular meeting in your home?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Do you say amen?' 'Yes.' 'Do you pray?' 'Yes.' 'Do you say praise the Lord?' 'Yes.'" The county employee notified the couple that the small Bible study, with an average of 15 people attending, was in violation of County regulations, according to Broyles. Broyles said a few days later the couple received a written warning that listed "unlawful use of land" and told them to "stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit" -- a process that could cost tens of thousands of dollars. "For churches and religious assemblies there's big parking concerns, there's environmental impact concerns when you have hundreds or thousands of people gathering. But this is a different situation, and we believe that the application of the religious assembly principles to this Bible study is certainly misplaced," said Broyles. News of the case has rapidly spread across Internet blogs and has spurred various reactions. Broyles said his clients have asked to stay anonymous until they give the county a demand letter that states by enforcing this regulation the county is violating their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion. Broyles also said this case has broader implications. "If the county thinks they can shut down groups of 10 or 15 Christians meeting in a home, what about people who meet regularly at home for poker night? What about people who meet for Tupperware parties? What about people who are meeting to watch baseball games on a regular basis and support the Chargers?" Broyles asked. Broyles and his clients plan to give the County their demand letter this week. If the County refuses to release the pastor and his wife from obtaining the permit, they will consider a lawsuit in federal court.

A) Typing in all capital letters means, online that one is SHOUTING. B) When someone finds me criticizing others who are doing wrong, and accuses me of using 2 x 4 on them when it's inappropriate, BUT USES A 2 X 4 TO SAY SO, I consider that HYPOCRISY. This short post was more venomous, spewfilled, and hateful- and certainly more of an OUTBURST, than the posts it criticizes. There's a difference between "I disagree with you" and "you're hateful and screaming at me." This post obviously has skipped it. Let me know if you want some assistance with that log in your eye. THEN you can help me with the splinter in mine.

"Let us pray...for understanding and for compassion." "Let us do no such damn thing!" "Fairness is such a Human concept, think imaginatively! This game shall, in fact, be completely unfair!" "You've gone too far!" "Game penalty!"

*points to the Friend Finder forum* http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showforum=17 http://www.believerlinks.org/ Someone also mentioned Facebook.

If I were to take a guess, he hasn't checked in yet. Not everyone checks in daily. Other than that, what I know is what he posted.

You've heard this song before... "Well you know that I'm a wicked guy And I was born with a jealous mind. And I can't spend my whole life Trying just to make you toe the line." "Let this be a sermon- I mean everything I've said. Baby, I'm determined. And I'd rather see you dead."

Mnph. I have the album and still didn't recognize the artist or title. ==================== Let's see, another song.... I'm pretty sure we never did this song.... "Well you know that I'm a wicked guy And I was born with a jealous mind. And I can't spend my whole life Trying just to make you toe the line."

Actually, my first issue is that the SOLE SOURCE (I just did some checking) of this story is WND. No LOCAL papers covered it, no REPUTABLE news source has announced something on it. All the discussion goes from WND- which doesn't check its stories for little things like ACCURACY- directly into the blogosphere, where much saber-rattling and outrage are added. I've seen that happen lots of times- when someone was scamming the public. Notice how even the WND says they don't have one official who said "I'm aware of this, the policy is X, which is why this is an issue." I save my outrage for actual ISSUES. I don't have infinite energy to whip up outrage every time someone else decides to manufacture a moral crisis. I save it up for the REAL crises.

I'll check if I can find this story elsewhere, but first, something about the source of this story, the "WorldNetDaily".... WND has a poor history of "fact-checking", often publishing unverified claims and NEVER checking if they're correct. How hard would that be? The people at Snopes- who fact-check as a HOBBY- have done a much better job when addressing the same issues. http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2008/wndliar08.html http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.b...th-certificate/ An example of what I mean.... WND made claims about Obama and made silly claims that his birth certificate wasn't produced or was fraudulent. They continued making these claims into October 26, 2008 and November 14, 2008. Check the dates here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174 "Posted: October 26, 2008" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=80931 "Posted: November 14, 2008" Meanwhile, his birth certificate had been posted on his website as of June 2008, specifically to end ridiculous claims about its nonexistence. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg The only claims left to make, after he did, were to claim the birth certificate posted was a FORGERY, and that it had information different than the original. A number of posters here-especially those who ever had to file for a passport- are among the many US citizens who know full well that the document posted was a legal certification, a nice, clean retyping of the same official information on the original. Alteration of federal documents is a crime. A moment's thought should dismiss the idea he would be unable to run for office but bluff about it anyway, then forge a document to try to hide it, is ridiculous. Obama's a fairly intelligent, educated man. He HAS to know the Presidential candidates of the Democratic AND Republican parties are exposed to intense scrutiny, and people look under every rock for anything scandalous or problematic. (One candidate got in trouble over HAIRCUTS, and he wasn't even the nominee.) The dogged insistence on pushing what was already a settled issue showed a disinterest in the TRUTH, and an interest INSTEAD in maintaining their position. ============== "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"- attributed to John Maynard Keynes.

Why Some People Don't Get the Abuse Stories http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=136 The Way:Living in Wonderland http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=7363 VP and Me in Wonderland http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8019 HELP! The PFAL class was stolen http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=277 TWI: Getting rid of sin, ignoring the cross of Christ http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=405 The mirror-what am I doing and offering people today? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=6373 Do mothers worry about their children? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=6808 Rough recollections-history and overview of TWI. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=4495 vpw's plagiarized sources, the origins of each book? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8966 vpw on the sources of his books., what was his official stance? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=8645 Shall we forgive them all? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=11437 Your opinion: vpw, his sins, and what he did. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=9755 Who was Victor Paul Wierwille? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=6301 Who was L. Craig Martindale? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=6468 Who is Rosalie Fox Rivenbark? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=6604 Balaam and twi. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=15366

Paw certainly has the option of doing so-supposing the software works that way and he's so inclined. Me, I think the Advanced Search Window works just fine. Further, most of the forums have been crawled by Google, so a Google-search often shows something if I have trouble finding it. As for searching in a thread, we currently can do that by using the option to "show results as posts". That means each post on the forums that fit our criteria will show up.

"I WISH I'D BEEN THE MAN I KNEW MYSELF TO BE." THAT was on his headstone. Along with his name, the birth-death years (dates? I forget that part) and the words "Awaiting the Return". Except for that sentence, it was standardized with the other 2 headstones. Hearsay said he requested them for his headstone. If you want my opinion, it's not an admission that he actually did bad things. As his years dwindled to days and hours, one poster passed along that he kept searching his mind, trying to find where he'd missed it- the reason he was actually dying- so he could solve it and magically heal. That means he was deceiving people on his deathbed and KNEW it was all bunkum, or- as I see it- that he'd succeeded in conning even HIMSELF, as he didn't see decades of fraud, of deception, of the love of filthy lucre, of the druggings and rapes, of the using of people as things and the loving of things over people, as actually BAD THINGS. He never stopped and confessed having done wrong, and never lifted a finger to make amends to his victims. It was never about other people- it was always about HIM. His illnesses and death were terrible because they were sufferings endured by HIM, not causes for humility. If he really DID wish he did better, it was a wish for his magical "believing" powers to kick in and magically heal him. vpw had a lot of time to see his death coming. He spoke to many people as a result of his approaching death. He NEVER told them "I have abused God's people" or anything like that. When he mentioned anything, it was how other people were failing, or would fail by his predictions (which failed to come to pass.) If he hadn't been an evil-minded person, he would have repented. Since he was completely given over to his preferred forms of evil, he had no motive to repent, and I see no reason to even SUSPECT it.

I read something different- where the SAME birds' beaks were varying year to year, depending on rainfall- thus depending on the seeds.

The finches aren't changing GENETICALLY, they're changing SEASONALLY. When the seeds they feed on are harder, their beaks get harder. (I'm simplifying it. Plus, I wasn't that interested when I was reading.) So, the beaks change from YEAR TO YEAR, not GENERATION TO GENERATION. SELF control and discipline are not illusions. They can be taught, they can be learned, and they bear no resemblance to the "thought control" taught in twi. Some people seem to have great aptitude for it without need to learn it. Others can learn with practice or the right teacher. The whole field of thinking itself, and how it affects the person, is called "cognitive psychology". Quite a lot can be affected by changing biology (chemicals treating disorders or CAUSING problems) but it can hardly ALL be accounted for by way of biology or Stimulus-response and conditioning. You can take identical twins, raise them together, and still have considerable differences in their personalities. If all of life was environment+heredity, they'd be completely identical in every way.