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Matthew 10: 35-36. "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." For a group that claims the Gospels are irrelevant to the modern Christian, they seem to excel at only matching these verses. There's LOTS of verses in the Epistles that mention healthy relationships- Jeff pointed out a few- but for a group that claims the Epistles are our PRACTICAL guide, they sure don't PRACTICE what they say....

The term "gaslighting" probably comes from the old movie, where a woman is made to feel as if she's crazy, but she's perfectly sane. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1...wn_form_of.html "Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse or brainwashing where one individual attempts to get another individual to believe she is "crazy". This is most often done through the denial of facts, events, or what one did or did not say. The gaslighter might also directly or indirectly imply that the individual is defective, crazy, or suffers from a mental illness." "The term gaslighting was coined in the 1940 and 1944 remake of the movie Gaslight. In this movie the main character is made to believe she is crazy and imagining things by her husband so that he could gain access to her finances. He repeatedly lights a gas lamp in one part of the house, causing the other lamps in the house to become dimmer. When the main character in the movie confronts her husband about this, he repeatedly tells her that she is imagining things and that the lamps are not, in fact, dimmer." http://lauriekendrick.wordpress.com/2008/0...of-gaslighting/ "“Gaslighting is the systematic attempt by one person to erode another’s reality. This is done by telling them that what they are experiencing isn’t so – and, the gradual giving up on the part of the other person.” "You know you’re in a full blown Gaslight Effect when you find yourself second guessing your own reality; when you’re unsure of what you really think and feel. Why? Because you’ve allowed someone else to define your reality for you. Invariably, this leads to being told what to think and how to think. And then in turn, you’re told who you are. You’re molded into an entity that someone else deems worthy of his or her love, affection; attention." The typical gaslighter defies Copernican theory. They think THEY are, in fact, the center of the universe. In reality, this blustery bravado masks rampant insecurity. Inside, they’re just scared little boys and girls , very much afraid to be hurt, yet they think they’re too smart, too superior to actually feel the pain they’ve so deeply buried. Sadly, this fear-based arrogance means they themselves have been “gaslit”…made victims by their own actions." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting " Gaslighting is a form of intimidation or psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory and perception. The classic example of gaslighting is to change things in a person's environment without their knowledge, and to explain that they "must be imagining things" when they challenge these changes."

My read on the story was the same- "a parking-and-noise issue that morphed into a land-use issue pretty quickly and got bogged down in the religious aspect" and the government worker who responded first was "way out of line." I'm glad more sensible folk were the ones following up, and in charge of seeing where things went from there. (The End.) Now let's all have coffee and cake in the music room. :)

A) My first comment was to point out the WND was an unreliable source- and the sole source of the story to begin with. So was my second comment. (I documented its unreliability, too.) B) As soon as another local source said anything, I linked it and posted the article. C) My 4th post consisted entirely of the link to Snopes' coverage of same. In each case, I stuck to what I could document-or had already documented. I don't know if you consider that "running my mouth", but I consider that "posting." Personally, I think those were pretty GOOD posts, based on good posting procedure. (I wasn't required to wait for the primary source documents to point out an absence of documentation existed- that sort of observation is worth noting on its own.) If you're referring to your own post exclusively as "running your mouth", I don't know why. I disagreed but did so in a civil fashion, if not in the most harmonious one. If you saw a post where someone said you "ran your mouth" in this thread, I missed it- please point it out. Otherwise, you might just be taking the thread a little too personally. When I do that, I log off and consider taking a brisk walk around the block before logging in again.

From the "press release": "The County responded to complaints from a neighbor about traffic and parking issues resulting from a weekly Bible study held in a Bonita home. This is a land use issue; it's not an issue of religious expression." From the site you linked, AFTER the investigation: "I want to reassure you that this matter, however perceived by you or by others, was in fact a land use matter stemming from a complaint. It was in no way an attempt by San Diego County to infringe upon your religious freedoms." I'm not sure how "informative" a statement BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION is supposed to be, but I'd be MORE suspicious of one that made pronouncements BEFORE all the facts were in. I wait until the results to get offended, and don't need soothing before then.

And if anyone actually clicked the Snopes link, they would have seen the link to the official reply: http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/ecke.pdf I'm always just a little hesitant about taking one side's account of the story- or one side's website account of the story.

===================== "Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." About Worf and Nog, at the beginning. "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." There was hostility between the Alpha Quadrant Jem Hadar and the Gamma Quadrant Jem Hadar. This was probably the ONLY epsode it was discussed. "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." Kira, discussing the "Fantastic Voyage" aspect of the episode. "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." Alpha and Gamma Jem hadar, disagreeing. "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem." For me, a giveaway. It's the only episode Worf promised to write a Klingon poem for anyone. "I serve the Founders. If it is their will to create a new race, that is the order of things." "But... ?" "But the Jem'Hadar bred here in the Alpha Quadrant have not proven themselves superior to those from the Gamma Quadrant. At least... not yet." "Restoring warp power may not be so simple for them. It took us a week just to learn how to pilot one of their ships." "I am First Kudak'Etan. In a strange way, you are the reason I exist. If you had not eliminated our fleet in the wormhole, there would have been no need to breed Alpha Quadrant Jem'Hadar." "I know what he's thinking because it's exactly what I would be doing in his position. You should kill him now, before he has a chance to put his plan into motion." "You are the Second. I am the First. Do not presume to tell me what to do." "Okay. I'm in no hurry to reach a Dominion prison camp. You want me to teach your men how to repair the warp drive, that's fine with me. We'll begin with the primary command and control systems -- that should take about six hours. Then we'll work our way up to basic engineering theory for a class seven warp drive, then --" Sisko, when they didn't want to let him have any crew to repair the ship? "And they say you don't have a sense of humor." Worf sneaking a joke, in front of Quark, who gave this reply at the end of the show. "Mr. Worf, I think your wife is here." The shrunken runabout was spotted. "The magnetic plasma guides are heating up." "They must've initiated the impulse prestart sequence." "What does that mean?" "It means this entire conduit is about to be filled with superheated plasma." "When you say superheated..." "If I can't find another way out of here, we'll be vaporized. Is that clear?" "Crystal." If they were in a system when it heated up, that would be the end of the runabout. Go, George!

That's the episode.

Strawmen CAN be used as diversions- they're used to change the subject or tie up discussion by introducing irrelevant-and false- representations about what other people are saying or doing. twi example: lcm, when he ran twi, said that the Pope bought an aircraft carrier and was getting ready to force conversions to Catholicism. It was a strawman, a false representation of what the Pope supposedly was doing, introduced so lcm the nut would look less nutty. "Look- other people are even crazier than me! So, I'm the sanest leader around!" Something along those lines. Strawmen have been used-often-by plenty of twi and ex-twi over time. We've seen it here a number of times. Often they were done to derail entirely discussions the poster didn't like.

For those who don't know what a "seed boy" is, it's the result of various expressions from vpw and lcm. Basically, to say someone is a "seed boy" is to claim they're permanent employees and slaves to the devil. The concept "born of the wrong seed" is a twi concept- as if God's "born again" can be counterfeited equally well by the devil, resulting in people "born of the wrong seed." This also predates God's people getting born again, in that the people "born of the wrong seed" begin in the book of Genesis. Basically, anyone successful and famous would eventually be accused of this.

I like to have a variety of news sources- and compare stories online from different newspapers, TV stations and so on, on the same story. Plus, I read the newspaper and listen to news on the radio. (I only look something up online when an issue is raised.) That was one thing that caught my attention- this was not picked up on Reuters, the AP wire, the BBC.... Some LOCAL newspaper, TV station, etc should have carried this. The only local source I can find is one SPECIALIZING in church news. I don't consider that a "neutral" source. Don't believe in CNN if Fox is being ignored? Fine with me. If a story is legit, you can skip CNN, Fox, MSNBC and still find lots of sources. When something is LOCAL news, it's BIG news to local news sources! Tulsa isn't a hole in the wall, it's a city with newspapers, TV stations, etc. An absence of coverage by all those, by itself, DOES say something.

For stories that are supposedly accurate, why is it that only Fox News is the only news source for them? It's like getting a warning from the "Weekly World News."

"Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem." "I serve the Founders. If it is their will to create a new race, that is the order of things." "But... ?" "But the Jem'Hadar bred here in the Alpha Quadrant have not proven themselves superior to those from the Gamma Quadrant. At least... not yet." "Restoring warp power may not be so simple for them. It took us a week just to learn how to pilot one of their ships." "I am First Kudak'Etan. In a strange way, you are the reason I exist. If you had not eliminated our fleet in the wormhole, there would have been no need to breed Alpha Quadrant Jem'Hadar." "I know what he's thinking because it's exactly what I would be doing in his position. You should kill him now, before he has a chance to put his plan into motion." "You are the Second. I am the First. Do not presume to tell me what to do." "Okay. I'm in no hurry to reach a Dominion prison camp. You want me to teach your men how to repair the warp drive, that's fine with me. We'll begin with the primary command and control systems -- that should take about six hours. Then we'll work our way up to basic engineering theory for a class seven warp drive, then --" ""And they say you don't have a sense of humor." "Mr. Worf, I think your wife is here." "The magnetic plasma guides are heating up." "They must've initiated the impulse prestart sequence." "What does that mean?" "It means this entire conduit is about to be filled with superheated plasma." "When you say superheated..." "If I can't find another way out of here, we'll be vaporized. Is that clear?" "Crystal."

"Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem." "I serve the Founders. If it is their will to create a new race, that is the order of things." "But... ?" "But the Jem'Hadar bred here in the Alpha Quadrant have not proven themselves superior to those from the Gamma Quadrant. At least... not yet." "Restoring warp power may not be so simple for them. It took us a week just to learn how to pilot one of their ships." "I am First Kudak'Etan. In a strange way, you are the reason I exist. If you had not eliminated our fleet in the wormhole, there would have been no need to breed Alpha Quadrant Jem'Hadar." "I know what he's thinking because it's exactly what I would be doing in his position. You should kill him now, before he has a chance to put his plan into motion." "You are the Second. I am the First. Do not presume to tell me what to do." "Okay. I'm in no hurry to reach a Dominion prison camp. You want me to teach your men how to repair the warp drive, that's fine with me. We'll begin with the primary command and control systems -- that should take about six hours. Then we'll work our way up to basic engineering theory for a class seven warp drive, then --"

No.

Yes. Too easy?

Ok, new show, then. "Don't you tell me to be quiet! I have a mind of my own you know! I can contribute! I'm not just some... trophy wife!" "You're a trophy wife? What contest in hell did I win?" "We haven't had a conversation for 35 years." "I didn't want to interrupt!" "Hey Nemo, what do you do if somebody's choking?" "Change the special." "Thanks." "Do you love me?" "YOU STILL NEED REASSURANCE, AFTER 45 YEARS OF BONDAGE?"

Right. Right. It is key. Wrong. But don't be sad, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. :)

No wonder I didn't have a clear memory of linking them recently. Someone else named the threads, I just slapped the links in place. Hunt Close! http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=4232 (by Jerome B. Robinson) Child Abuse in twi. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=4233

[From what I've heard around here, before the big 88/89 split, your exposure to dysfunctional, dangerous, and harmful childrearing practices depended on your proximity to Root locales. If you were on grounds in the Family Corps, or HQ, or one of those places, you were in for it. The worst part about it was the long periods with parents separated from their children, with an adult untrained in supervising children watching over them, ready to clobber them with the wooden spoon all adults were expected to carry. Unless you were the child of a bigwig. Then, instead of physical abuse, you got abuse by abandonment and lack of boundaries. You could get away with almost anything- and often did. I'm not sure who was worse off, of the 2 categories of abused children. AFTER the 88/89 split, twi was in a sort of "trickle-down" mode, and things that used to be reserved for private use at the Root locales became standard everywhere, including abusing children by clobbering them if they didn't conform to your whims. Then again, the parents who actually did this were abused by twi first-otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to commit battery on their children. So, the abuse trickled down....] [That's a safe approach. A few posters in the history of the GSC have shown themselves to be masters at asking those sorts of questions. Most of them aren't posting now, however, so this caution MIGHT not be needed.] [That's always good to add, I think. :) I think I'll look for a few links to previous discussions in case they were missed. (Although I probably linked them recently already-but I may be wrong.]

"Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem." "I serve the Founders. If it is their will to create a new race, that is the order of things." "But... ?" "But the Jem'Hadar bred here in the Alpha Quadrant have not proven themselves superior to those from the Gamma Quadrant. At least... not yet." "Restoring warp power may not be so simple for them. It took us a week just to learn how to pilot one of their ships."

No. http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/tagged.asp "Many recipients, upon learning that these mysterious messages were not actually sent by the persons named, have believed them to be a form of virus or scam. While these messages may not technically fall completely within either the "virus" or "scam" classifications (because they don't furtively install malicious software on PCs, nor is there an intent to disable computers or obtain money through fraud behind them), the method by which they're spread and their deceptiveness include elements of both those classes." The full details are here: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Harvesting-Teenagers/ The briefest summary was by a poster here: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tagged.com "They send you an email claiming someone you know has sent you pictures, even though that person did not. If you click on the link and are foolish enough to give them the information they say you need to provide to see these imaginary pictures, they will take the password to YOUR email account and send the same message to everyone in your address book. Hope everyone in it has a sense of humor about being sent a scam email. They enroll members through fraud. Regardless of whether they have done anything else to harm those people once they signed up, regardless of whether there was fine print explaining their business model, they lied about someone wanting to send you pictures. You know you will never be able to trust this site. " In other words, if you remain properly paranoid about providing your information online, they won't catch you.

"Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem."

"Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative."

Martin Niemoeller said: "First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me- and there was no one left to speak out for me."