WordWolf

Heh. Put that together with some of the more obvious examples of how twi contradicts Scripture, and even the most diehard kool-aid drinker will have to admit he's suppressing his thinking processes in order to stay in.

Correct. Your turn.

Ok, let's pretend it was officially confirmed so we can move this along. "I thought I heard her calling my name now"

Hey, hey, congratulations! I'm delighted for both of you.

It was. It's not Oscar material, but it's worth watching. It has some drama, some funny moments, etc. It's a little of a lot of things. Go, George!

In fact, most of it takes place due South of the Continental US.

Bingo.

Hints: This movie, mostly, does not take place in the U.S. It stars Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts.

"Hola." "I no f*** around, comprende? Gun, gun, loaded. Bang, bang. You dead." "Do you have a speech impediment?" "You're missing the grand design here! If I don't go, I'm dead! Yeah. And it's a little hard to carry on a relationship when I'm stuffed with straw and formaldehyde." "I need a lift in your el truck-o to the next town-o!" "All right. Jerry, I want you to acknowledge that my needs means nothing to you and you're a selfish prick and a liar. "Oh, my God!" "Jerry, acknowledge." "I... Ok. I will acknowledge that I promised to go to Vegas with you. But now we're just slightly delayed. If you want to construe my wanting to stay alive as being selfish, well, then okay. But I have every intention of going with you because your needs are very important to me, sweetheart." "Raoul!" "I know we're all a little grouchy right now. We'll get something to eat, you'll get the pistol and then we'll go our separate ways." "I am a hostage? This is so Jerry." "Why? Why? Because you stole from me and you know about the pistol and you're just gonna steal again and I can't have you coming back in the situation like a fly in the ointment." "No, I won't be a fly! You'll never see me again." "Look, you're getting shot and that's it. It will take you time to get to the next town especially if you're limping." "Wait! Wait! What? Limping? Can't you just tie me up some more? I mean, ...., you shoot me? Tie me!" "Yeah. I don't have a rope." "So you shoot me?" "It's the American way." "You know, you're very sensitive for a cold blooded killer." "Hola!" "Is this your dog?" "Uh, sort of..." "He does have a personality, that cetainly counts for something." "Yeah, good guy..." "This your car?" "Yeah, it's a rental... I'm an American." "No sh**?" "Yeah." "Really?" "Yeah, yeah..." "I am a Mexican." "Cool."

Arnold Schwarzenegger Twins Danny DeVito

Getting back to twi and outrageous statements, one of the things that accompanied some of vpw's outrageous statements was YELLING. He had odd things he claimed (perhaps he believed them, perhaps not) and he pushed for people to embrace them. Sometimes he yelled to do that. Sometimes he yelled because he was angry and venting. Even lcm documented this inadvertently in his book about how vpw was so great. People protected a floor when a piano was resting on it, but putting a piece of plywood under the piano. vpw didn't like this for some reason. He yelled at the people that they had to "fight for this place" and stormed out. Never gave any indication what the heck that was about or what he thought should be done differently or how, just yelled and stormed out. Lots of EMOTION, no LEADERSHIP. Lots of DRAMATICS, no SELF-CONTROL. Then there was the time lcm did vpw the courtesy of meeting vpw with "his" golf cart (which twi owned) so he wouldn't have to walk. vpw jabbed his finger at lcm and yelled "Keep your hands off my stuff!" Then there was the time lcm went away for a few days and didn't check in verbally with vpw. Instead of saying "Are you all right? What happened?" like a person who actually cared about the other would say, to vpw it was all about HIM and how lcm did him the discourtesy of not checking in with him. "WHAT KIND OF EGO TRIP ARE YOU ON?" Of course, lcm was vpw's disciple, and learned what vpw could teach him, becoming the quintessence of vpw's practices and pollicy. lcm went around two-fold the child of hell vpw was, yelling and screaming at people, and making up new things to justify it like "spiritual anger". That excuse came up whenever lcm wanted to vent at length and had a microphone, and felt like giving an excuse. Eventually, he didn't even bother and just yelled without pretext. So, twi, outrageous claims from vpw and lcm, yelling and theatrics. All part of a complete picture of twi, vpw, and life at the top of twi.

Ah, there's your answer right there. I don't question that a manager may need to get attention or even raise their voice to be heard. I've had different managers and supervisors, a number of whom had to raise their voices. What is NOT required was YELLING or SCREAMING. Managers I've had who felt the need to YELL or SCREAM, ALL in my experience- were less respected than those who did NOT yell. It's not about YELLING or SCREAMING, it's about the OTHER things you mentioned 1) "having a pressure point" 2) "keeping their cool" A manager or director needs to have control over situations- which means the FIRST THING about managing is to manage YOURSELF. If you have personal crises, don't lose it at work and yell at the workers. In a crisis, there is no TIME to yell, vent and panic. You raise your voice and control the situation. On 9/11, I watched television footage of what happened. One clip I saw drove it all home to me like nothing else could. When the cloud of debris engulfed the streets, all vision was completely blocked. Eventually, the air cleared, and EVERYTHING was COVERED with powdered debris. The camera showed the air clearing (relatively, now we could see), and the camera was pointed in the general direction of a police officer. He stood up, and assessed his surroundings. At that moment, you could hear a woman panicking. The police officer CALMLY and LOUDLY began addressing her, and sounded well in control of himself. (Not me, I was watching the whole thing at home and couldn't keep my cool from the comfort of my living room. He was there and had self-control. So, I say to you, you do not HAVE to scream to be a manager at fast-food or any other kind of manager. You can raise your voice and speak loudly if needed, but that's different than SCREAMING. SCREAMING indicates a lack of self-control.

No, you have to be able to communicate with all your workers. You can move to where they are and speak clearly. If you're determined you need to stay where you are, you can raise your voice without a "scream." If you "have to scream" at your workers, you're not cut out to be a manager. (Unless, say, the worker pulls a knife and tries to stab someone.)

"Hola." "I no f*** around, comprende? Gun, gun, loaded. Bang, bang. You dead." "Do you have a speech impediment?" "You're missing the grand design here! If I don't go, I'm dead! Yeah. And it's a little hard to carry on a relationship when I'm stuffed with straw and formaldehyde." "I need a lift in your el truck-o to the next town-o!" "All right. Jerry, I want you to acknowledge that my needs means nothing to you and you're a selfish prick and a liar. "Oh, my God!" "Jerry, acknowledge." "I... Ok. I will acknowledge that I promised to go to Vegas with you. But now we're just slightly delayed. If you want to construe my wanting to stay alive as being selfish, well, then okay. But I have every intention of going with you because your needs are very important to me, sweetheart." "Raoul!" "I know we're all a little grouchy right now. We'll get something to eat, you'll get the pistol and then we'll go our separate ways." "I am a hostage? This is so Jerry."

Posting at this hour? I must have "Too Much Time On My Hands", like the song by the great band, STYX.

"Hola." "I no f*** around, comprende? Gun, gun, loaded. Bang, bang. You dead." "Do you have a speech impediment?" "You're missing the grand design here! If I don't go, I'm dead! Yeah. And it's a little hard to carry on a relationship when I'm stuffed with straw and formaldehyde." "I need a lift in your el truck-o to the next town-o!" "All right. Jerry, I want you to acknowledge that my needs means nothing to you and you're a selfish prick and a liar. "Oh, my God!" "Jerry, acknowledge." "I... Ok. I will acknowledge that I promised to go to Vegas with you. But now we're just slightly delayed. If you want to construe my wanting to stay alive as being selfish, well, then okay. But I have every intention of going with you because your needs are very important to me, sweetheart."

I'm waiting a few hours to see if anyone else takes it. I like to give a fair chance rather than leap on it.

It's also interesting to note how that story CHANGED. The first time I got revelation was FAR less dramatic, and I can recall what happened, what I did right, and what I did wrong, in excruciating detail. (I can prove it, too. I have an eyewitness who got all the details he didn't see a relatively short time after- and he can probably retell it nearly identically to how I'd tell it. That must have been over 20 years ago. So, MY significant incidents, I remember those clearly and they stay the same over the DECADES. vpw supposedly has a much rarer incident with God, but can't seem to keep the details straight. First he tells of hearing from God. Then his re-tellings include the snow. Then the snow changes- the earliest accounts match the one in Mrs w's book, and say the sky was BLACK with snow. The accounts after that, and BARELY so, perhaps 2 years later- suddenly have the sky WHITE with snow. It's almost as if vpw kept trying to fine-tune his story, looking for the most interesting things to add to it, and to correct obvious factual inaccuracies like a whiteout blizzard looking black instead of the white of a whiteout. (Thus the term "whiteout.") Of course, some people not only refuse to consider the possibility that vpw lied about all that, but get offended that others even THINK about it and post vpw's own contradictory testimony, to the point they verbally attack those who do so and insult them, slapping labels on Christian posters like "the devil."

*checks his watch*

I'm neither, as such. I don't go around saying "Oh, Hackman's in this? Then let's see it." I mean, I'm fine if he's IN the movie, but he's not my determinant or anything. Ok, next movie. "Hola." "I no f*** around, comprende? Gun, gun, loaded. Bang, bang. You dead." "Do you have a speech impediment?" "You're missing the grand design here! If I don't go, I'm dead! Yeah. And it's a little hard to carry on a relationship when I'm stuffed with straw and formaldehyde."

Let's see. Based on all that, and not "Hunt for Red October." (And not "Yellow Submarine".) *thinks* I think the other submarine film was "Crimson Tide." I know that was the name OF a film.

I'll clarify the point I was making before. I thought people would understand it from the context. It is obvious that we have 2 possibilities: A) vpw lied completely about the Tulsa incident as regards to all the SUPERNATURAL claims he made- that is, the blizzard that shut down the city, which has been proven to have been false, and then the claim that Stiles specifically attended the event because God told Stiles (we only heard this from vpw, of course, and not Stiles) to show up to minister the spirit "to one man", with vpw insinuating that was him, and then compounding that lie when caught by saying angels must have shown up at all 4 phone calls, answered the phones, and lied to vpw all 4 times to keep him in town. B) vpw told the absolute truth all the time concerning that incident. Despite him having been proven to be a liar at other times as well, he told the absolute truth that angels zipped around the various transit agencies of Tulsa, answered the phones, and lied to vpw, and God or an angel told Stiles to go to the Tulsa meeting specifically to minister "to one man." As I see it, there's no third possibility concerning whether there was a blizzard. vpw originally claimed there was one, but weather reports and Mrs w contradict this, making it impossible. When vpw found out the weather reports contradicted him, he didn't react like someone who was stuck in a city due to a blizzard (I was there, the airport was shut down, recheck your dates and your city) but instead switched to "Ok, there WAS no blizzard or any snow, and I must have had angels lie to me on the phone each time I called someone." vpw never addressed how he could be convinced there was a BLIZZARD on the same day the weather hit 60 degrees Fahrenheit, and there was not a flake of snow on the ground or in the sky. If asked, he most likely would have added to his story again and said angels must have flown around, made illusions of snow in the ground and on the sky, and convinced vpw that the temperature was actually about 40-50 degrees colder than it actually was. (For those wondering, that's about the difference between "I can't wear a jacket since it's too hot" to "I need a coat and it's cold enough to begin snowing.") Having said all this, it's predictable, although no less tragic, that there are people who will read that and say "Yes, vpw told the truth. Angels flew around doing that while vpw was being ministered to by Stiles who was in town because God specifically sent him to minister to vpw, who taught God's Word like it hasn't been known since the 1st century." It's a free country. vpw himself had said that if a man wants to be stupid, he can stay stupid. This, apparently, has been embraced by adherents to wierwillism.

Nuts. I could have gotten the ZZ Top one from the 2nd quote. I'm so used to never getting these, I just didn't check in.

It is. The first exchange was at the costume party, when Daniel was dressed as a shower. (Points for originality. However, how can Daniel NOT attend a COSTUME party and manage to be in disguise and inconspicuous?) The second is EXACTLY what you remembered. I could identify the movie from the exchange "What, his hand on her @$$?" "No- her left hook" pretty easily, myself. Go, George.

We're talking about a DIFFERENT lie, about a DIFFERENT snowstorm. (You're free to call bull-muffins on either or both lies, of course.) Johniam is conveniently forgetting everything vpw himself said on the second bogus snowstorm in an attempt to say vpw was not PROVEN to have lied about it. ========================== The Way:Living in Love, pg-197 "The day after Rufus Mosley said those words to me, a piece of mail came regarding a Full Gospel Rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Oh, all the great names were going to be there, including a would-be-rising star in Pentecostalism-Oral Roberts. By then, I'd had it. I wasn't even going to go. I don't know what made me change my mind exactly. But I said to Father, I'd go, but it would be the last time; and if I did not receive, I'd leave. I said: there most be something wrong. I was sick and tired of looking, but I made up my mind I'd go this one last time. That was the winter of 1951." TW:LiL, pg-198 "So I left the meeting, slipped out, went to my hotel and called the airport. I was all set to check out. But a funny thing had happened-there was a blizzard in Tulsa. All the planes were grounded, So I couldn't get a plane. I tried the trains-they were all snowed in. The buses-same thing. The city was snowbound. I just couldn't get out! Well, I called back the airport, and they said they could put me on standby for the night. I asked the girl on the phone, 'Does this happen all the time?' She said, 'No, this is the first time.' " TW:LiL, pg-199 "The next morning, I still hadn't left town. I went to breakfast at the hotel, sat down next to a straight guy. He looked me over and recognized me. He began, 'Aren't you the Evangelical and Reformed preacher who spoke in tongues last night?' I said, 'Yes, but it was a damn lie.' Then he said he knew I was dam*ed because I cussed. That ended our conversation. Then a woman came over to me, and said, 'I think God sent a man here to meet your need. Meet me at 9am.' I thought, 'Women never tell the truth.' But then I reconsidered, since I was stuck in town anyway. So I decided to meet her. I got to the place she said at 9am, and there she was. She introduced me to a man named J.E. Stiles. He'd com in from the West Coast. A few days before, God had told him to go to Tulsa to minister the holy spirit to one man. We talked for a few minutes, and he suggested we go in to the rally to hear Oral Roberts and then meet for lunch. So that's what we did. At lunchtime Stiles came in with his wife and the pianist. I just remember thinking to myself, 'There aren't going to be any women around when I get the holy spirit.' I was just watching and waiting. Lunch was kind of light talk- we talked about Oral Roberts, the Holy Spirit, lots of stuff. When we were done, I picked up the check, and then Stiles turned to his wife and said, 'Honey, I'm going with VP.' She said something to him like, 'How long will you be?' And he said, 'That's none of your business.' That was it, and my opinion of him as a man went up 99 percent. His stature increased in my eyes. just from the way he handled her." ============================= So, vpw's account of that day is pretty specific. A) Call the airport, and discover all planes are grounded due to a blizzard. B) Call the train station, and discover all trains are stopped due to a blizzard. C) Call the bus depot, and discover all the trains are stopped due to a blizzard. D) Call the airport a second time, and discover this is the FIRST time a blizzard has closed down the airport. The Full Gospel Rally actually happened in Tulsa. This is something that can be checked. So, someone in twi checked, looking to get details of this. They found that all the evidence said that there was no blizzard, no snowstorm, no SNOW in Tulsa for that date. Now for the results of someone else looking into that very thing... http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/quz_itulsasnow.htm -------------------------------------- "...there was a blizzard in Tulsa. All the planes were grounded. So I couldn't get a plane. I tried the trains-- they were all snowed in. The buses-- same thing. The city was snowbound. I just couldn't get out!" (E Whiteside, The Way-- Living in Love, p. 198) "However, the Tulsa tribune (shown here) notes that the temperature that day was 60 degrees, and the overnight low never even got down to freezing. December 1951 records in Climatological Data for Oklahoma show only 5/10 inch of snow on Dec. 8 and 6/10 inch on Dec. 20. Neither date concurs with Wierwille's visit, and neither records anything near a blizzard which could stop all buses and trains. Ways Corps graduate Barrie Hill later confirmed that the rally was the Divine Healing Convention, December 11-13, 1951, sponsored by The Voice of Healing magazine, and that Wierwille stayed at the Hotel Tulsa (which was razed in 1973). Hill notes that the weather bureau, newspapers and airport do not record a snowstorm at that time. When she mentioned this to Wierwille, he dismissed these facts by suggesting that the blizzard was "a phenomenon" or that he "spoke with angels" when he called the airport, train station and bus station (Wierwille conveniently blames holy angels for lying to him about the weather rather than admit his fabrication!). It seems amazing that Hill had concrete evidence that VP lied, but still fawned over him in the Oct-Nov 1982 Heart magazine article she wrote about the incident. Wierwille's wife Dorothea recalled that week in a 1996 book of her memories of the Wierwilles' early years called Born Again to Serve. She also was in Tulsa that week and contradicts V.P. Wierwille. She never even implies that the planes, trains and buses were snowbound by a blizzard. The closest thing is when she suggests that there was snow in Chicago (700 miles from Tulsa and hundreds from New Knoxville!) and "sleet forecast in Tulsa by Thursday." (Born Again to Serve, p. 79) This means that there was never any snow on the ground or in the air when the Wierwilles were in Tulsa. Perhaps she couldn't bring herself to make a bald-faced lie as V.P. did. By this, she perhaps implies that V. P. Was lying about the alleged blizzard. " ------------------------------------------------------------ Sounds pretty darn conclusive. Even MRS W doesn't try to confirm there was a blizzard, or anything to confirm a claim that the entire city was snowed in and all trains, planes and buses were halted. However, that's SPECIFICALLY what vpw said, and he said he made at least FOUR different phone-calls to confirm that. (2 to the airport, 1 to the train station, 1 to the bus depot means a minimum of 4 calls mentioned, with the possibility of more calls to any location, but he specified those 4 himself.) How does Johniam attempt to exonerate vpw for vpw's BLATANT lie? Johniam said "All we really know is that VP, distraught, said he heard a voice on the other end of the phone speak of a blizzard. There was no actual blizzard. The result was that VP stayed there longer and this allowed him to be led into tongues. Would an angel lie?" So, we have vpw clearly lying- the entire Tulsa blizzard snow-job. Then we have vpw clearly lying again- covering up the Tulsa blizzard snow-job by claiming angels LIED to him. (Doesn't ever claim he's correct and the other person is MISTAKEN, he jumps directly to agreeing with the person the facts are that there was no snow, but now he was LIED TO and told there WAS snow by angels on 4 different occasions, at 4 different locations. So, there's 2 possibilities here. 1) vpw lied, and the entire Tulsa story, from arrival through exit, including the snow and the incidents involving speaking in tongues, was all one big lie. 2) vpw-who has been proven to have lied on other occasions to us- was telling the complete truth, and a bunch of angels went around lying to him. If there's any of you that even seriously consider the second possibility to even POSSIBLY be correct, all I can say is, I feel sorry for you, and I'm glad I'm not you.