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Was that "the Mod Squad"?

Very true. However, it wasn't the matter of just photocopying Martin's work like had been done for other things. Also, the bibliography actually cites the source. So, the hard part was all done by Martin, which might be seen as somewhat deceptive. However, it was done (AFAIK) legally with regards to plagiarism, and not with the BLATANT dishonesty of the previous stuff. Don't confuse James Trimm with Michael Rood. They are 2 different charlatans who have worked together in the past. And Rood has never posted here, nor has twi ever caught him at anything. http://www.seekgod.ca/trfactor2.htm http://www.seekgod.ca/trfactor.htm

No, they were saying that it was normal for scholars to have grad students under them do all the work and write a book, and then the scholar puts his name on the result as "by (name)", (No, I don't know what they were smoking before they said that.) Trimm didn't do that, he just plagiarized.

BTW, the classic mirror skit was a reprise of the one Groucho and Harpo did in "Duck Soup." In the show, Harpo is the one looking into the "mirror."

Van Johnson appeared in the episode immediately preceeding it-"Dancing Star." Harpo Marx appears in the episode "Harpo Marx." Yours again, George.

Juedes has side-by-side comparisons. However, a few books I know off the top of my head: The White Book (RTHST) was Stiles' book in its first edition, with a few words moved around. Later editions included Leonard's work from his class, and Bullinger's "Word Studies on the Holy Spirit" (released under different names.) The Orange Book was a transcript, and was largely a mix of Leonard's class and Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible." ADAN was a compilation of 2 books of Bullinger's- "King Saul and the Witch at Endor- Did the Prophet Samuel Rise at Her Bidding?" and "The Rich Man and Lazarus-an Intermediate State?" along with "the Spirits in Prison." You may notice that only 1 of "vpws" books ends in a question mark, and he ripped off 2 books ending in question marks to "write" it. Someone tried to claim that was some sort of coincidence. The other collaterals were mixes here and there, partly of Kenyon. The 2 books put together by the Research Dept were not ripped off from others- "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" and "Jesus Christ Our Passover." However, they say "by Victor Paul Wierwille" on the cover when he didn't do the writing. Someone tried to claim that's perfectly fine and scholars do that all the time.

The Addams Family. However it's spelled. Here's another tack. This television show had Harpo Marx as a guest-star. And Van Johnson.

Ok, the part about them suing the other group over the name, yes, that happened, and yes it's forbidden in the Church Epistles, which twi claim is the part addressed to us and has specific instructions for us, including conduct. The other part, well, that's a matter of who you're asking. They didn't sue for translation, they sued because twi (which is built on plagiarism) put out a book which actually was not from plagiarism (their New Testament translation work from Aramaic), and someone else plagiarized THAT. When twi does it, it's fine, but when someone else plagiarizes THEM it's the same crime it is everywhere else. So, they sued a plagiarizer for plagiarizing them. The guy's posted here before. He spent time trying to assemble a complete collection of all the Aramaic stuff twi put out. A few years after he got it, he claimed he'd completed a translation of his own- but was caught retyping their book like vpw should have been caught retyping other people's books. www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/hrvpage.htm As to his other qualifications, Trimm claims a Doctorate from an unaccredited organization, like vpw. www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/falsedoctorate/falsedoctorateclaims.html Similarly, his claims of Judaism are suspect. www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/falsejewish/jtrimmjewish.html Is he a cult leader? www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/cultleader/cultleader.htm In other news, he also has a history with known ex-twi crackpot Michael Rood. www.seekgod.ca/trfactor2.htm And Trimm's told one group of people one thing while telling another the opposite simultaneously: www.seekgod.ca/rabbiyosef.htm So, it seems everything about James Trimm is a lie. Despite that, he's not actually ex-twi. How about that. www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/8051-james-trimm-the-way/page__p__193280 He's put forth his POV and his advertisements. www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21037-the-way-international-argues-actual-words-of-the-bible-are-not-doctrine/ www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21038-federal-court-claims-right-to-regulate-scripture-interpretation/ www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21322-leaving-a-cult/ www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21254-which-way/ BTW, this was the group twi targeted: www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/news/latest/the-way-internationals-lawyers-strike-again.html

In hindsight, it's easy to understand a lot more. vpw was both LAZY and INSECURE. He was LAZY and took all sorts of shortcuts. He was INSECURE because his shortcuts were used in place of actually DOING THE WORK. So, like any fraud, he knew he didn't have the foundation of substance the real deals have. He couldn't HONESTLY earn accolades and validation without actually working. Rather than work, he decided to fake it and try for FAKE accolades. While attacking real scholars (those who exceeded his abilities because he was a FAKE scholar), he ALSO wanted the respect of real scholars. He had to attack them because they could expose him, and he had to court them because he was INSECURE. Sad how W@lter C knew (and knows) full well how vpw used other peoples' work- he'd SEEN the books of others kept as a private stash- but still supports that system. I guess for some the idea of making less money and having fewer accolades but doing it honestly just doesn't appeal enough to stop defrauding people if they're willing to invite you to do it.

It's a good idea to reread PoP every few years when in recovery from twi exposure. It's amazing how much the content changes every few years. :) The last time I read it, it was a lot more shocking than the time before, which was already a shock.

There's much to be said for ACCOUNTABILITY. We should be able to show pride in our accomplishments, both in what we say and do. Supposedly, Will Rogers said we should live our lives so we wouldn't be ashamed to lend our family parrot to the town gossip. Viewers of the Simpsons know Ned Flanders. When Bart was living at the Flanders home for a time, he had a chance to learn all the day-to-day goings-on. His Dad then asked him for all the juicy gossip. Bart was stuck for ANYTHING to say, and the best he had was that Ned had some old paint cans in his garage. ACCOUNTABILITY isn't the same thing as this sort of HEIRARCHY. However, the healthiest part of religious organizations IS the accountability. vpw left his denomination because he wanted to do whatever he wanted with no repercussions, and he CLAIMED that he spent his entire first MONTH teaching on tithing when they supposedly told him he was free to teach on anything EXCEPT MONEY. Supposedly, they called him to account on that, he mouthed off at them, and then they left him alone. If there was ANY incident, I'm absolutely certain vpw's role was greatly magnified, and their role was greatly reduced in the story. It's just too silly. The idea IS that a new preacher needs to be watched, and all preachers are ultimately accountable if they begin doing things considered inappropriate (like lots of things vpw wanted to do.) Between the opposite extremes of "everyone does what is right in their own eyes" and "one obeys man rather than God" is a healthy balance where one's sense of right and wrong is subject to review and discussion. That can feel confining to people who just want to do whatever they wish- but that doesn't change that it's right.

The 5 crosses were from different monuments made in different CENTURIES, and ASSEMBLED later in a set of 5. They're not a MATCHING set when you look closer.

vpw wasn't the first of his kind and isn't the last, either- to go against the grain, but he's in good company. Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh, and the countless others that aren't so famous are right there with him. All of them told people they'd lead them to a closer knowledge of God- then used the people as merchandise, still telling them they were the conduit of The True God. Charlatans and fakes have been around for centuries, and will continue until Jesus Christ himself deals with them face-to-face.

Crowley told you right up front that he wanted the money, power and women. vpw wanted them too- but lied about all of it. vpw was more evil than Aleister Crowley.

There's a certain amount of irony that a man who CLAIMED to want to free people from religion and ritual claimed that to a bunch of anti-establishment hippies, recruited them, then began instilling his own brand of religion and ritual, which now is followed by people who still condemn the religions and rituals of others.

Hitchhiking is also ILLEGAL. You think people who claimed to want to follow the Bible would actually, you know, read it and follow the instructions.... 1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; That means Christians are supposed to follow the law. However, it's obvious they are not going to- the choice is follow the Bible and do what God said, or follow vpw practice and do what vpw said. Obviously, they would rather follow the word of a man when it contradicts God and they can't follow both.

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I found a reference to "mathematical exactness and scientific precision" in the context of a sales program. www.marksmalley.com/book.html "One night during dinner (and a couple of glasses of wine) my friend was reliving his former glory. He began spilling his guts about some of the most guarded secrets in the publishing business. He told me how his ad sales executives used these formulas to generate astronomical advertising sales numbers. It was called the "Structured Sales Approach." As soon as our dinner ended I drove home and started scouring the Internet, periodicals, newspapers, magazines and anything I could get my hands that talked about "the formula." I began applying what little information my friend gave me and like magic the formulas began producing the same incredible results. I was selling advertising for a small print publisher at the time that specialized in technology. In 1999, I put it all together. This was due in part to an interview I found with the founder of this billion-dollar company and a prominent technology columnist. The founder discussed the formula in detail (without giving it a name) and he elaborated on why he felt it worked with a mathematical exactness and scientific precision." I also found it in reference to some teacher who taught in India back when vpw was there. The book "Glory pf Puttaparthi" contains the reference. "Baba will continue to influence my life since his message to me has mathematical exactness and scientific precision." This "Baba" is a title, like calling someone "Doctor" as if it's his name. So, what's "Glory of Puttaparthi" about? Puttaparthi is a location. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puttaparthi "Puttaparthi (Telugu: పుట్టపర్తి) (14°9.91′N 77°48.70′E) is a town situated in the Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh, India. It was also the residence of the notable spiritual teacher Sathya Sai Baba. The town's main attraction is Baba's Prasanthi Nilayam ashram, the presence of which has given a huge boost to the local economy, in the form of hotels, lodges, restaurants and shops which are largely frequented by visitors to Prasanthi Nilayam. The common languages spoken in Puttaparthi are Telugu, Kannada, English and Hindi." So, that's a place where one could have gone, during vpw's India tour, and heard "Sathya Sai Baba" teach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba "Śri Sathya Sai Baba (Telugu: సత్య సాయిబాబా born as Sathyanarayana Raju (23 November 1926 – 24 April 2011[4][5][6]) was an Indian guru, spiritual figure, mystic, philanthropist and educator.[7] He claimed to be the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi, considered a spiritual saint and a reputed miracle worker, who died in 1918 and whose teachings were an eclectic blend of Hindu and Muslim beliefs.[5][8][9][10][11][12][13] The materializations of vibhuti (holy ash) and other small objects such as rings, necklaces and watches by Sathya Sai Baba were a source of both fame and controversy; devotees considered them signs of divinity, while skeptics viewed them as simple conjuring tricks.[14] Photos of him are displayed in millions of homes and on the dashboards of cars, and lockets bearing his photo are worn by many as a symbol of good fortune.[15]" Go ahead and read his entire wikipedia page. It sounds like this guy scammed the Indian people into thinking he was a man of god, and vpw took notes and used many of the same techniques, some slightly adapted to a Western audience. ====================================== In other news, Leonard used a phrase a little similar in concept, "FOUNDATIONS (Co-authored by Rev. Evelyn Thiele-Leonard). Foundations is to the student of Holy Writ what a blueprint is to a construction engineer. It is a veritable slide-rule in the hands of the truth-seeker." A slide-rule is a mathematical tool for the engineer. Its use suggests mathematical exactness.

I'm fairly confident that at least SOME of vpw's stories were wildly exaggerated, and at least SOME of vpw's stories were completely invented- fantasies or wishes of what he WISHED had happened. When vpw began his first pastorate, he claimed he was told he could teach on anything he wanted EXCEPT MONEY, and then he spent the next 4 Sundays on money. At the end of 4 weeks, according to vpw, the elders confronted him (the location changed as to where), and he mouthed off a smart-aleck remark to them, after which they left and left him alone. Any group with actual elders would have CANNED any new pastor who was so insolent and reckless. So, I'm certain the whole thing was fiction. Do you think vpw FANTASIZED about inappropriate contact with those women, and later convinced himself his lies were true?

Yeah, any part of life not centered around twi must be dropped and ruined. The people must be obedient and must be beaten down until they obey. Must be why I was never REALLY a good fit in twi. Looking back, virtually all the attempts at verbal bullying I've ever had as an adult all came from people in twi. And my response was generally a flat look and being SUPREMELY unimpressed. Oh, they HATED that. One person, though, lightened up and talked like a normal human once I called him on it. Then again, he wasn't finished with his way corps "training" yet.

I know YOUR point was how they wanted us to be sentimental ONLY ABOUT TWI AND VPW, while dropping everything else in our lives-family, friends, memories... However, I wanted to point out "the emphasis placed on 'proper stewardship'" was NOTHING OF THE KIND- it was ALL about CHEAPNESS. I'm still in favor of getting the most for my dollar but sometimes that means you spend more to get better quality. Which is better stewardship- twi's way of getting the absolute cheapest for everything and having it work poorly and break down soon, or my way of getting the more durable and usable, and paying a bit more for it? Even if I pay 20% more, I don't have to spend it all over again a short time later because it broke down. GOOD STEWARDSHIP takes PLANNING. It includes asking what the differences are in quality and upkeep and asking if the difference warrants paying more or paying less. Ever look at your audiotapes from twi? They use INCREDIBLY cheap tapes, far lower than the street-level regulars. (I generally recopied to Chromium Oxide, which meant I could REPLAY a tape A LOT and had much better quality- but with theirs as source tapes I couldn't IMPROVE the quality, of course.) I've used standard ones as well. Gartmore used standard ones, and that made a big difference for the person actually USING THE TAPE. (Personally, I think that was a good idea and that their onsite library could have used CrO2 tapes for replay value, but that's me.) Yes, if twi had bought in bulk, the standard ones would have been a lot cheaper. However, they bought incredibly cheap ones in bulk, possibly buying out the stock nobody else wanted to use, and selling them to us. (twi level are 3 for a dollar, RETAIL. The regulars were retail for about $2 and the quality difference is tremendous.) vpw wanted a fancy log cabin, and didn't use GOOD STEWARDSHIP. He wanted something and never consulted how to do it well or even if it was a good idea. (It was a STUPID idea.) He had it done wastefully, and with the wrong materials, so it ROTTED and needed extensive repairs and upkeep. Then he turned around and lectured the others about good stewardship and how they needed to do things more cheaply and take care of what they had. This shouldn't be much of a surprise. We now know he was a hypocrite and didn't know much about actual business, or most of the things he put himself forth as an expert on.

The short answer is that the staff decided that the baby was the GSC and the bathwater was the politics subforum, so they dropped the politics and the site became MUCH less stressful for them. Someone else made up a forum JUST for politics. I don't have the URL.

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Reminds me of the Orange Book's introduction. ""Introduction: the Abundant Life. Jesus' proclamation as recorded in John 10:10 is the foundational Scripture for this book. ...I am come that they [believers] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. This verse literally changed my life. My wife and I began in the Christian ministry, plodding ahead with the things of God, but somehow we lacked an abundant life. Then one time I was especially alerted when I read from the Word of God that Jesus said He had come to give us life more abundant. I was startled into awareness. As I looked about me at communities where I had served and among the ministers with whom I had worked, the abundant life was frequently not evident. In contrast to these Christian people, I could see that the secular world of non-Christians were manifesting a more abundant life than were members of the Church. Thus I earnestly began to pursue the question: 'If Jesus Christ came that men and women might have a MORE ABUNDANT LIFE, then why is it that the Christian believers do not manifest even an ABUNDANT LIFE?' I believe most people would be thankful if they ever lived an abundant life; but The Word says Jesus Christ came that we might have life not just abundant, but more abundant. If His Word is not reliable here in John 10:10, how can we trust it anywhere else? But, on the other hand, if Jesus told the truth, if He meant what He said and said what He meant in this declaration, then surely there must be keys, signposts, to guide us to the understanding and the receiving of this life which is more than abundant. This book, POWER FOR ABUNDANT LIVING, is one way of showing interested people the abundany life which Jesus Christ lived and which He came to make available to believers as it is revealed in the Word of God. This is a book containing Biblical keys. The contents herein do not teach the Scriptures from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21; rather, it is designed to set before the reader the basic keys in the Word of God so that Genesis to Revelation will unfold and so that the abundant life which Jesus Christ came to make available will become evident to those who want to appropriate God's abundance to their lives. " =========== That is the ENTIRE introduction.