WordWolf

I've said it before, I'll say it again. lcm said he was unable to find anyplace in the Bible that said premarital sex was sin. lcm was unable to find accounts in the Bible that said premarital sex was sin for the same reason a thief is "unable" to find a policeman.

It was a little like with the "Corps Chalet", where the stated purpose had nothing to do with what the usage ended up being. With the "Corps Chalet", vpw promised it would be a place for visiting corps to stay. Once it was completed, vpw announced he was giving it to lcm and donna. With the Auditorium, supposedly, twi could draw real performers to show up to a farm in the middle of freaking NOWHERE and perform onstage. It ended up being for Sunday night teachings and whatever lcm wanted, starting with the musical. And that bs about others wanting lcm to play the lead.... The AOS short performance already had a male and a female lead. They'd worked together, and he was the right height and had rhythm. lcm just hinted around ad nauseum until someone uttered the words he wanted them to say "Why don't you play the lead?" then ran with it and had the nerve to suggest it was never his idea.

Just wing that mutha!

We just discussed this here: "Why did vp choose lcm?" As to the objections, posters have commented that they heard from those who SUPPOSEDLY had a say in the process. First of all, the idea of just anyone being nominated was a token gesture meant to give the illusion of choice to the rank and file whom vpw intended to ignore anyway. (vpw knew how to play his audience like a harp from hell.) Second of all, there were lots of COMPETENT people to draw from in a talent pool. Walter C was the research head, which, for a supposed RESEARCH ministry, seems an obvious choice. Several of the previous Trunk Coordinators for the US and Regional Coordinators were perfectly capable of taking over- they had experience, twi training, and knew how to run things and handle people. So, names like Lynn, Finnegan, Dubovsky and Townsend were tossed around in addition to Cummins. vpw had one choice, and was just going to hold on to his decision until he wore everyone down, or just make the announcement by divine fiat. "What was everyone told? What did people think was the reason? Or what was the reason? I'll give you three for the price of one. All based on what posters here have said over the years. A) People were told, long before a choice was announced, that the search was on for the next President, and to consider nominating their best choices. As they were told, potentially any Advanced Class Grad was a candidate. (However, even if the process was serious, it's obvious it would have been an Advanced Class Grad who had been in no less than 5 years and more likely more, who had previously or currently did hold a position of Limb Coordinator or higher. At least, that's my opinion.) So, people were nominating various top twi people for the position. Except lcm, since nobody who was familiar with him thought he had the chops for the role- academic, presentation, etc. (Someone like Walter C would have been an obvious choice if it was all about research.) What I was personally told was that it was determined like in Acts 1, where the lot fell upon Matthias- a vote. Obviously, this was a dirty lie someone had passed down. In reality, the decision was up to vpw and ONLY up to him. Furthermore, a few people at the top gave all their suggestions to him face to face, and NONE of them were lcm. In short, people were told there was a process, but vpw had lcm selected long before he announced there WAS a process. The "process" was yet another vpw lie. What a surprise! Who'd suspect vpw would lie to everyone? B) What some people thought was the thinking behind lcm's selection.... People discussing it among themselves were thinking it was something along the lines of his Way Corps connections. lcm was a student in one of the early Corps (he's shown as a student in the photos included in "The Way:Living in Love", leading people on a run- which he was academically qualified to do because he was a jock in college, even though he "rode the bench" on the football team.) Shortly after he finished that, he was put briefly (IIRC) in charge of the WOW program, then was put in charge of the Corps overall. With various Corps "vets" being familiar with him, perhaps the thinking was he'd have their loyalty on that basis. This was all speculation, and was all faulty. Those who were familiar with lcm were not impressed with his demonstrated abilities. He wasn't even good at "running" the WOW program or the Corps. This shouldn't be a huge surprise, since vpw took a guy hot out of college and put him in charge of stuff and expected him to figure it all out. lcm was never a smart man nor a scholar. He had no training in "figure it out", either. So, he stumbled his way through his assignments. That's not really his fault- vpw put him in positions time after time where and when he was fundamentally unprepared, and did nothing to ameliorate that. There was never a "I will run this. I will show you how this works. Pay close attention" and then a few years later "Now it's your turn." So vpw sometimes corrected him AFTER THE FACT once lcm made a mistake. Anyway, that was the guesswork. Since twi has a proud tradition of keeping its people in the dark when it's not lying to them, and then announcing it's keeping them well-informed, guesswork was all the AVERAGE peon on the field had. That and misinformation. C) Someone in with vpw asked him right after lcm was announced-asked him why. vpw said that lcm never questioned him- when vpw said to do something, lcm would just do it. In other words, lcm had blind loyalty and a notable lack of thinking for himself. This, in vpw's eyes, made him the ideal choice to replace himself as President. Why? We can only speculate why from here, but obviously it served vpw and not twi. My guess is that he thought he'd be able to stay in charge whenever he wanted to, but pulling lcm's strings like a puppet. If so, that sure backfired. As soon as lcm had the big chair, he established that he expected the blind loyalty to go to HIM. He had blind loyalty to the captain of the ship, and now it was everyone else's turn to have that. (We even know that because he TOLD one poster here. They asked if he was calling on them to follow him BLINDLY, and he said that's what they already had been doing. lcm was always a clueless jerk once vpw got his hooks into him.) vpw eventually felt so neglected that he went to the other man who'd worshipped him blindly- chris geer- and constructed a list of complaints about how twi was SPIRITUALLY off ALL OF A SUDDEN and how it was all because they turned away from vpw and did things without him. (We weren't part of the discussions, but the main thrust was correct- vpw had also spoken briefly to Ralph D on the way to visiting chris, and that general concept was what was on his mind.) =========================== lcm himself pretty much knew he was on the ministry "fast track" long before he was announced. Go ahead and read his OWN account. It was in his book, "VP and Me." http://www.greasespo...-in-wonderland/ http://www.greasespo.../vp-and-me.html "

His supposed dying words were to complain about martindale! vpw groomed lcm for over a decade to replace him, finding him to be his loyal drone, never challenging him, etc. vpw made lcm the twi president over the objections of almost everyone. lcm got the big chair and now felt safe to passive-aggressively ignore vpw and encourage others to do so, since now HE had the big chair. (Some didn't need encouragement- rosa-lie for years had been telling others to tell vpw she wasn't in.) vpw, the center of attention, was suddenly last weeks' news, his 15 minutes up at last. He didn't like the direction things were going, AND he was being ignored, so he went off to his OTHER drone, cg, the other man who never challenged what vpw said or did. Naturally, he was able to get the adulation and hero-worship he was suddenly missing. His actual discussions were almost irrelevant.

What makes you think that any of their accusations of others were TRUTHFUL accusations and had any merit whatsoever? In twi, there's the reason given, and there's the true reason, and rarely do they meet. The truth is NOT welcome at "The Way."

Isaiah 5:20 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Leave it to twi to label all the healthy, good people "evil", and to cheerfully embrace the twisted, evil folks with both hands!

The "vp amd me in Wonderland" thread discussed this a little. Also, vpw claimed George Mueller "influenced" him on a number of occasions. However, vpw never in any way imitated Mueller, which would have been the result if Mueller actually influenced him. George Mueller's greatly respected in some Christian circles, and with good reason. In twi, there were 2 things of his that I'd heard about. Outside of twi but in college, I read that Mueller kept a diary with 2 dates- listing the date he began praying for something, and the date he saw that prayer fulfilled, so he had a record of prayers answered. As for the two things I'd heard in twi about him, here they are. http://www.puritanfellowship.com/2008/02/two-amazing-accounts-of-george-mueller.html "I live in the spirit of prayer; I pray as I walk, when I lie down, and when I rise. And the answers are always coming. Tens of thousands of times my prayers have been answered. When once I am persuaded a thing is right, I go on praying for it until the end comes." "The great fault of the children of God is that they do not continue in prayer; they do not go on praying; they do not persevere. If they desire anything of God's glory, they should pray until they get it." ======================================= http://www.christianadoption.com/faithful/georgemueller.htm "The Muellers' set off for the United States in August 1877 aboard the Sardian…Off Newfoundland the weather turned cold and the ship's progress was seriously retarded by fog. The captain had been on the bridge for 24 hours when something happened which was to revolutionize his life. George Mueller appeared on the bridge. "Captain, I have come to tell you I must be in Quebec by Saturday afternoon." "It is impossible," said the captain. "Very well, " said Mueller, "if your ship cannot take me, God will find some other way--I have never broken an engagement for 52 years. Let us go down into the chart-room and pray." The Captain wondered which lunatic asylum Mueller had come from. "Mr. Mueller," he said, "do you know how dense this fog is?" "No, my eye is not on the density of the fog, but on the living God." Mueller then knelt down and prayed. When he had finished the captain was about to pray, but Mueller put his hand on his shoulder, and told him: "First, you do not believe He will and second, I believe He HAS, and there is NO NEED whatever for you to pray about it." The captain looked at Mueller in amazement. "Captain," he continued, I have known my Lord for 52 years, and there has never been a single day that I have failed to get an audience with the King. Get up, captain, and open the door, and you will find the fog is gone." The captain walked across to the door and opened it. The fog had lifted. It was the captain himself, who later told the story of this incident, and who was subsequently described by a well known evangelist as "one of the most devoted men I ever knew." ======================== For the curious, it was Billy Graham, as legit as 20th century evangelists ever got, who met that captain and said he was so devoted. Meeting and interacting with George Mueller transformed his life.

I'm familiar with maybe 1/2 the movies they ever made, and I'm quite confident this is not a Marx Brothers movie.

vpw could designate anyone anything he wanted- that didn't mean they knew, or would take it seriously if they knew. I once got some information for a friend. Some of it arrived by mail and was addressed to me, and it was from an insurance company about insuring an event. Under my name, for some reason, they'd added "insurance coordinator" before the name of the friend's organization. My friend said, "Well, congratulations-you're now our insurance coordinator." Flatly, I replied "I can't tell you what this means to me", which obviously meant I don't have the words to express how little it meant. Anyway, they gave me that title, but it carried no force- we didn't take it seriously. So, vpw can decide to call someone "India coordinator", but be met with mild amusement at best, if he ever told them. (We know the guy acted as if he either didn't know, or didn't take it seriously- he did his work and ignored what the title would mean.) ============================== vpw went to India, hooked up with Williams, rode Williams' coattails all over India, accepted honors based on being Williams' associate (like the key to the city), and reported based on complaints of Williams when he returned. Compared side-by-side, vpw was a rank amateur compared to Williams, and the idea of Williams working FOR vpw is silly. I'm sure Williams wouldn't have taken the idea seriously, any more than Billy Graham or Oral Roberts would have taken seriously this unknown guy suggesting "a collaboration of equals" when they were household names and he was very much an unknown. vpw had a consistent history of lying, using the work of others and putting his own name on it, and wildly exaggerating his own accomplishments.

"You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, GodD*it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' "

That's them.

Is this from "Animal House"?

Here's the line. (Please note I don't subscribe to this thinking, but I think this is a memorable line....) "Well, I'd rather see you dead, little girl, than to be with another man"

I can't argue with that. I was one of many who would have taken a bat to the player.

"Me and Julio Down on the Schoolyard", Simon & Garfunkel.

http://www.uia.net/~messiah7/quz_iparanoi.htm "Way security patrols the campus and immediately stops and interrogates anyone who isn't wearing a Way name tag. They do their best to appear to be policemen, from the vehicles which are equipped to look like police cruisers, to the badge, utility belts and radios of the personnel." http://www.uia.net/~messiah7/quz_ipolicar.htm "Way Rev. Charlie Quillen became chief of police and Wierwille's son John Paul was one of the first officers. The Way purchased a pursuit car, uniforms and badges and designed an insignia. The Way police functioned much like any municipal police force, carrying weapons and stopping vehicles on the roads. "They had a squad car with flashing lights and everything," said Brent Henschen of the New Knoxville Police Department, "Heck, they even pulled me over once." Shelby County Sheriff John Lenhart showed his concern about the Way police by taking steps to control their powers. He pointed out specific ways the 1874 law could easily be abused and commented, "...I don't think that's healthy. There's no checks and balances. There's no mayor they answer to, no town council that they answer to." Lenhart refused to deputize Way police and to grant them access to nationwide police records. He asked the office of County Prosecutor Jarvis if Way police had power to block off roads and stop cars, and received the opinion that Way police had no such jurisdiction on roadways. Shelby County officials also prevented Way policemen from taking an Ohio Peace Officers training course. The Way International Police Department was terminated within 18 months of its inception as the Ohio government moved to intervene. When The Way tried to extend its police power into neighboring Auglaize County, Judge Jacob Boesel of the Auglaize county Municipal Court ruled the Chautauga law unconstitutional. State Rep. Dale Locker tried to resolve the matter entirely by introducing a bill, which was strengthened and passed by the Interstate Cooperation Committee. In April 1979 the Ohio House passed the amended bill to remove the entire Chautauga section from the Code. While this bill effectively terminated The Way International Police Department, Way security continues to pose as police. Although the sign on the highway says, "you are welcome at The Way," the behavior of Way security gives every visitor the clear impression that they are not welcome at The Way. Security has become increasingly aggressive, quickly and thoroughly investigating (even interrogating?) anyone who appears on campus without a name tag. They run off anyone who is not currently active in a Way-controlled fellowship (formerly "twig") and who doesn't have a Way escort. Way security personnel try to intimidate outsiders by dressing as police officers-- complete with utility belt, holster, CB-style microphone clipped to shoulder, metal badge with the word "patrolman" prominently stamped on it, and white vehicles with a seal painted on the door and emergency lights on top. "

It is indeed. Your turn.

They announced, post-9/11, that they gave a donation. Of course, that was major news. Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

"We read five times that you were killed, in five different places." "As you can see, it was true every single time." "Where were you last night?" "That's so long ago, I don't remember." "Will I see you tonight?" "I never make plans that far ahead." "You mustn't underestimate American blundering. I was with them when they "blundered" into Berlin in 1918." "How can you close me up? On what grounds?" "I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." "Your winnings, sir." "Oh, thank you, very much."

It IS "Blazing Saddles". The first quote was from "The Great Pie Fight" towards the end. Slim Pickens ended up with food all over him, then shoved across the counter. When he reached the cash registers, the worker there charged him for the 3 dishes he was wearing.

Actually, that was at least 30% from investments- because you paid them 15% on your salary before you invested any money. When you get back the money from the investment, that was money you already "tithed" on, but they expect 15% AGAIN, which would make 30%. At least 15% on everything else- and if you're giving 15%, why aren't you giving MORE? twi doesn't believe in "good enough" for its peons-there's always another hoop to jump through, more distance to "move the goalposts" so you can never STOP giving them time and money.

"Yankee bean soup, coleslaw, and tuna surprise." "What's a dazzling urbanite like you doing in a rustic setting like this?

"We read five times that you were killed, in five different places." "As you can see, it was true every single time." "Where were you last night?" "That's so long ago, I don't remember." "Will I see you tonight?" "I never make plans that far ahead."

Well, if you don't even give 10%, they're disgusted with you. lcm used to say God "won't even spit in your direction" at 9%. 15% is expected-and that's of EVERYTHING. If you put into a retirement fund, when you get the money, they want 15% of that, and won't accept that you gave 15% when INVESTING the money so they actually are expecting 30%. Furthermore, there's the concept of "plurality giving." If they can talk you into it, you are to keep a small amount to live on, and send them all the rest. Of course, that doesn't apply to Rosa-lie, who owns a BOAT and has all sorts of luxuries. She's not expected to give back everything she doesn't need. Even though staff pretty much supplies her every whim-cleaning, cooking, etc.