WordWolf

(I once heard that this quote was improvised, and wasn't in the script.)

I think Martin Luther INTENDED to remain in the Roman Catholic Church, and his 97 Theses were meant to stimulate discussions, which were meant to trigger REFORM. However, since there were no reforms, there were limited options, especially for a man of good conscience. Frankly, Switzerland was well-situated as a location for the Protestant Reformation, which is probably why we got both Luther AND Zwingli from there. If there had been reforms, things would have been very different. Then again, there had been centuries of momentum beforehand, so, looking back, I don't think reforms had a chance in that decade. Things were just too entrenched by then, which was why the whole concept of retail selling of indulgencies didn't seem as outrageous to some people as they would to, say, me in the present, or Luther and Zwingli when and where they were.

Does that mean if I guess one film in the franchise, it will count as correct?

That's it.

I'm certain you'd recognize the melody pretty fast. I've recognized it from a one-second clip, and it's not by my all-time favorite band or anything like that.

"Valhalla, I am calling!" "How soft your fields so green, can whisper tales of gore, of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords. On we sweep with threshing oar. Our only goal will be the western shore. So now you'd better stop, and rebuild all your ruins. For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing."

I think I have it narrowed down to a franchise.

This suspense show introduced the Douglas Fir to the general audience. To hear this show, you'd think investigators sat around eating pie and drinking coffee whenever they weren't actively investigating. Season one centered entirely around one murder investigation. A spoof of this appeared in a Judge Dredd comic, with a Judge's death being investigated.(Who killed Lola Palmtree?) In that, one possible informant was a woman who went around carrying a mop, and was referred to as "the mop lady." One character was supposed to speak backwards. When they found out the actor already knew how to speak backwards without coaching, they gave him more and better lines to work with. This extended the exposure of an actor who was supposed to only get a short role in the story. One of the greatest difficulties of this story, had they gone there, would have been trying to prove the culprit did it. The evidence meandered all over the place, including dream sequences. What jury would be convinced of evidence like "I had a dream where someone pointed me in the direction of the killer?) BTW, the name of the character investigating was totally NOT "Secret Agent Chip Barrelmaker."

I'm still waiting for them to release "Muppet Highlander." With cgi, we could totally see Kermit and Gonzo totally dueling for The Prize. My one regret would be that Bob Anderson couldn't choreograph the fight scenes.

"Gone With the Wind"????????

Rocky: "How do we TODAY rationalize it, now that we have pulled our attention and recognition to it? " WordWolf: "This is an old point. Responses to it are pretty much predictable. Either it's an actual account of something that happened to that effect, or it isn't even close to anything that happened. If it isn't close to anything that happened, then there's nothing else to discuss, the account is unreliable, the book is unreliable, and the codex is unreliable. This isn't news to anyone- anyone who says this already was saying those. If it's an actual account, we have to take into account the ability of the then-contemporary readers and listeners to make sense of things. (That's clear no matter WHO wrote it.) I can easily posit that an All- Mighty God could pause the Earth and suspend all consequences, since He would have the power to do so. However, if asked my opinion, I think it's more likely that an All-Mighty God would produce the effect, and let the puny people understand it their way without any need to educate them to 21st century scientific understanding. I would posit that all planets, stars, etc continued as normal, and that what was altered was the light hitting the Earth. An All-Mighty God could certainly do so, which would lengthen, shorten, or abruptly begin or end a day. Granted, this would certainly be on the high end of fantastic for a miracle, but that's not proof of anything by itself. If there is an All-Mighty God, He COULD do exactly this, and if there wasn't, then the account was simply cooked. How would we know which was the answer? Everyone's answer to that is that this was a closed issue before they reached these verses. Either they already believed or they already dis-believed. It goes to the general body of evidence long before it gets here." Rocky:"There is NO logical answer to either. But thank you for adding your insight." WordWolf resumes. I included both major positions on how this is "rationalized." As to their being no "logical" answer to your questions, I suppose that depends on what you consider logical. For someone who has been convinced- beyond any reasonable doubt- that there is an All-Mighty God and He is the subject of the Bible, it would appear "logical" that He could easily perform this as written and prevent any side-effects, since He would have more than the minimum ability to perform this. You asked how "we today" rationalize this, and I added my point of view as well, that an All-Mighty God could choose among how to perform something along these lines, could choose the least harmful method to accomplish it and spend less effort preventing damage, and have this phrased in a manner the people of the time could readily understand. If that's categorically "illogical" to you based on your own presuppositions, then that's how it's going to look. HOWEVER, as I pointed out in my initial response.... None of this is news. You knew very well what the responses would be. So, posting to ASK only to dismiss them isn't in the spirit of a DISCUSSION, let alone a DISCUSSION BOARD. It was meant to take a shot at people who disagree with you. Don't be shocked OldSkool saw right through it as well. I don't think that was nice, I don't think that was in the STATED intents of the GSC, and I don't think that's LOGICAL either.

"Sigh... okay, I get that you find it offensive. But no longer tolerant of Christians? Really?" \ I suspect OldSkool noticed that the initial post was only "About the Way" because of two sentences that look inserted to give the excuse to post this in "About the Way", and without them, the entire post is complete, but neither "About the Way" nor particularly respectful of Christians. There's somewhere in the GSC you can post and be disrespectful of Christians and have that be expected or welcome. I wouldn't bat an eye if this thread was there. It appears to me that the one sentence on vpw was an excuse to post it in a more popular forum instead. That nothing will be done about it pretty much will make OldSkool's point that "Bible-bashing is a large part of what Greasespot has become" and that it's considered perfectly acceptable to shoehorn this into "About the Way" when it takes an excuse to do so.

That does seem to be a course of action more likely to produce results. The main complaint to that would be that it actually requires WORK- and a lot of people would rather do things that require no effort. There's a reason "slacktivism" is now a word, also- that's activism that doesn't actually require someone to DO anything. I do think Christians are better-served focusing on all that they have in common, and all that matters, rather than focus on differences. That's not exactly an opposite, but efforts to do that would certainly help to make "churchianity" by any name harder to find, and I consider that a good thing. Emo Phillips once told a joke I've ripped off here before. I will adapt it slightly and retell it. I was walking along a bridge one night, and I saw a man standing along the edge, as if he was going to jump. I called out to him, to stop him from jumping, at least long enough to get my camera ready. He looked up and, you've heard of 'the Elephant Man'? Well, this man had a face like a horse. My heart went out to him instantly. "Why the long face?" He said that people always made fun of him, and that nobody loved him. "God loves you." "You think so?" "Do you really think that a handful of atoms millions of years ago would possibly have the sense of humor to make you look like this?" He thought, and said, "You know, I do believe in God." "Really? Are you a Christian? A Jew?" "A Christian," he said. "Me, too. Catholic or Protestant?" "Protestant," he said. "Me, too. What franchise?" "Baptist." "Baptist? Me, too. Northern or Southern Baptist?" "Northern Baptist." "Me, too. Northern Conservative or Northern Liberal Baptist?" "Northern Conservative Baptist." "Me, too. Northern Conservative Fundamentalist or Northern Conservative Reformed Baptist?" "Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist." "Me, too. Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Great Lakes Region or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Eastern Region?" "Great Lakes Region." "Me, too. Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1893 or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said "Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I shouted "Die, heretic!" and I pushed him off the bridge. I appreciate the joke, but it makes me sad when I see Christians who remind me of it. I'm pleased to say that happens rarely as I go about and live life. Most Christians I've met face to face have been pretty level-headed and don't have a problem helping others to one degree or another. By way of comparison, it's interesting that someone who cares MORE about their specific denomination might indeed help others- but that's generally either because they're following direct orders, or because the context of helping someone in that instance is one that gives their denomination a lot of credit. They'll help others so long as their group gets the glory. I'm also surprised when I see a "church" building where the name is on the side- and the name of the pastor/leader/fuhrer is in even bigger letters.

This is "About the Way"? This is an old point. Responses to it are pretty much predictable. Either it's an actual account of something that happened to that effect, or it isn't even close to anything that happened. If it isn't close to anything that happened, then there's nothing else to discuss, the account is unreliable, the book is unreliable, and the codex is unreliable. This isn't news to anyone- anyone who says this already was saying those. If it's an actual account, we have to take into account the ability of the then-contemporary readers and listeners to make sense of things. (That's clear no matter WHO wrote it.) I can easily posit that an All- Mighty God could pause the Earth and suspend all consequences, since He would have the power to do so. However, if asked my opinion, I think it's more likely that an All-Mighty God would produce the effect, and let the puny people understand it their way without any need to educate them to 21st century scientific understanding. I would posit that all planets, stars, etc continued as normal, and that what was altered was the light hitting the Earth. An All-Mighty God could certainly do so, which would lengthen, shorten, or abruptly begin or end a day. Granted, this would certainly be on the high end of fantastic for a miracle, but that's not proof of anything by itself. If there is an All-Mighty God, He COULD do exactly this, and if there wasn't, then the account was simply cooked. How would we know which was the answer? Everyone's answer to that is that this was a closed issue before they reached these verses. Either they already believed or they already dis-believed. It goes to the general body of evidence long before it gets here.

A lot of people would know the song if they saw cats in Viking gear.

"How soft your fields so green ,can whisper tales of gore of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords. On we sweep with threshing oar. Our only goal will be the western shore. So now you'd better stop, and rebuild all your ruins. For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing."

You've heard this song before.

It was a d* FINE cup of coffee, of course. Did they serve any other type?

CORRECT!

Repeat after me- the next 2 movies never happened. The TV show was the sequel, and any movies after that. " I am Juan Sánchez Villalobos Ramírez, Chief metallurgist to King Charles V of Spain. And I'm at your service. " "Her father, Masamune, a genius, made this for me. " This movie technically had a number of sequels- a number of which kept contradicting each other. The last movie sequel was a TV movie, and it was later claimed that was out-of-continuity, and was not the official conclusion of the story. There was a very successful TV show, and an unsuccessful spinoff. No matter what, nobody should blame the score of the original movie- that was all done by Queen and was considered really good. The main actor learned to speak English for this role. His accent was a mishmash and sounded like he'd learned English after a number of other languages- which was true and particularly apt for the title role. The television show that followed this movie was successful enough that it had a sales catalog while the show was airing. Besides tapes of the episodes, you could buy themed t-shirts, belt buckles, and hair ties as well as the long jacket of the tv show's main character. (I didn't buy it because it was a lot of money to spend on a jacket that wasn't an authentic recreation- it was an incomplete copy.) This movie had a title character. Strictly speaking the first episode was unclear which of 2 characters was the title character- this one or the other. From the second episode onward, it was made clear it was the character introduced with the show.

"Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine."

This suspense show introduced the Douglas Fir to the general audience. To hear this show, you'd think investigators sat around eating pie and drinking coffee whenever they weren't actively investigating. Season one centered entirely around one murder investigation. A spoof of this appeared in a Judge Dredd comic, with a Judge's death being investigated. In that, one possible informant was a woman who went around carrying a mop, and was referred to as "the mop lady." One character was supposed to speak backwards. When they found out the actor already knew how to speak backwards without coaching, they gave him more and better lines to work with. This extended the exposure of an actor who was supposed to only get a short role in the story.

No.

"On we sweep with threshing oar. Our only goal will be the western shore. So now you'd better stop, and rebuild all your ruins. For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing."