WordWolf

Chatroom New Year's Eve? I'm sure I can squeeze that in...

I heard about Paw's arrival when meeting a few GS'ers for dinner in Connecticut. It was me, Paw, Steve!, Shazdancer, and some more posters who didn't post a lot. (I don't know who'd still want to be mentioned, and who was there in a case or 2.) Looking back, it sounded hysterical. I pictured myself being there when he gave his name, and mentally reaching behind me to pick up a chair. :)

I like the idea. Let me get back to you. I'm usually pretty good with clever names, if I have time for my muse to work on it.

========================== Is anyone volunteering to set up a temporary meeting-place post-GSC so the regulars and semi-regulars can log in and get contact information for each other? Most people are running around and some won't check in until after the holidays. I'm thinking a temporary messageboard for that, with a prominent thread and link from here, would work, and buy us more time to exchange contacts.

It breaks my heart a little to see it go, but I can't blame you at all. You deserve to be able to get on with your life, the same as any one else. Will the material that's up remain up in a "read only" format? I imagine all that's been written will still be of use to people, and there's still people who come here to read about twi.

That's it, "The Adventures of Robin Hood", starring Errol Flynn as Robin, Alan Hale Sr as Little John, Olivia de Haviland as Maid Marion, and Basil Rathbone as Guy of Gisbourne. (With Claude Rains as Prince John and Patric Knowles as Will Scarlett.) It's full of inaccuracies, and a lot of fun. And Howard Hill, Hollywood's Archer of Archers, actually fired the split-the-arrow shot in one take, splitting it in 3 fair and square. (Of course, in the movie, it's ROBIN who fires it, but still.)

Sorry, George, you can't make 9 guesses at once.

"It's all right-he's one of us." "One of us? He looks like three of us." "Have you finished?" "I'm only just beginning! From this night forward I'll use every means in my power to fight you!" "You're a strange man." "Strange? Because I can feel for beaten, helpless people?" "No. You're strange because you want to do something about it." "What's your reward for all this?" "Reward? You just don't understand, do you?" "I'm sorry. I do begin to see... a little... now." "You do? Then that's reward enough." "Do you know any prayers, my friend?" "I'll say one for you!" "Overtaxed, overworked and paid off with a knife, a club or a rope." "Why, you speak treason!" "Fluently." "You'll sweat the lard out of that fat carcass of yours before this day is over, my pudgy friend." "Let him approach...By my faith, but you're a bold rascal." "You've all suffered from their cruelty - the ear loppings, the beatings, the blindings with hot irons, the burning of our farms and homes, the mistreatment of our women. It's time to put an end to this! Now, this forest is wide. It can shelter and clothe and feed a band of good, determined men - good swordsmen, good archers, good fighters. Men, if you're willing to fight for our people, I want you! Are you with me?" "You'll be sorry you interfered." "Sorry? I'd do it again if you killed me for it." "A prophetic speech, my lady, for that is exactly what is going to happen to you." "You wouldn't DARE." "Take me as your servant. Why in all the forest, there isn't a hunter as good as me. I ask no pay, just to follow you." "I'd advise you to curb that wagging tongue of yours!" BTW, not that any of you thought he was, but "the Skipper" (Alan Hale Junior) was definitely not in this movie.

No. No captains in this movie that I recall. (If they were, they certainly weren't memorable or significant in the story or title.)

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good."

I was referring to the 2 statements in quotation marks as things vpw recited back at us without understanding them: "God is Spirit, and God can only communicate with what He is" and "God is Spirit, and God can only give what He is". IMHO, socks understands them now better than vpw did when he taped pfal.

Awwwww. I love a happy ending.

"It's all right-he's one of us." "One of us? He looks like three of us." "Have you finished?" "I'm only just beginning! From this night forward I'll use every means in my power to fight you!" "You're a strange man." "Strange? Because I can feel for beaten, helpless people?" "No. You're strange because you want to do something about it." "What's your reward for all this?" "Reward? You just don't understand, do you?" "I'm sorry. I do begin to see... a little... now." "You do? Then that's reward enough." "Do you know any prayers, my friend?" "I'll say one for you!" "Overtaxed, overworked and paid off with a knife, a club or a rope." "Why, you speak treason!" "Fluently." "You'll sweat the lard out of that fat carcass of yours before this day is over, my pudgy friend." "Let him approach...By my faith, but you're a bold rascal." "You've all suffered from their cruelty - the ear loppings, the beatings, the blindings with hot irons, the burning of our farms and homes, the mistreatment of our women. It's time to put an end to this!" "You'll be sorry you interfered." "Sorry? I'd do it again if you killed me for it." "A prophetic speech, my lady, for that is exactly what is going to happen to you." "You wouldn't DARE." BTW, not that any of you thought he was, but "the Skipper" (Alan Hale Junior) was definitely not in this movie.

You didn't need to post the names of the speakers... The names Rick and Captain Renault were more than enough..... This is "Casablanca."

No. (And no.) I agree. And you've probably seen this one at some point.

You are correct on the episode- it is "Relics." Which means it is your turn. However, the quotes were all from different scenes, few of them with Geordi. "The Enterprise... I shoulda known. And I'll bet it was Jim Kirk himself who hauled the old girl out of mothballs to come looking for me." Scotty's first conversation with the Away Team that rescued him. "A good Engineer is always a wee bit conservative, at least on paper." Actually, this line WAS said to Geordi. "I remember a time when we had to transport the Dohlman of Elaas. You never heard anyone whine and complain about quarters like that..." ""You canna change the laws of physics" I said... but of course he wouldn't listen so we had to come up with a new engine start-up routine..." Scotty was getting chatty with an anonymous Ensign. Go, BrokenArrow!

My objection would be if you were saying-as it sounded- like you were trying to excuse vpw for making the gaffe about God-and spirit-being unable to communicate with anything BUT spirit. The idea of God Almighty, the Creator of the Universe, untold galaxies, and so on, who calculated the times so precisely that the constellations tell the times, and the tiny vibrations of the atoms are our DEFINITION of time, would be UNABLE to do something by virtue of lacking the ability (communicating with anything that is not spirit), well, I find that, to say the least, wildly improbable. A MUCH better case would have to be made than vpw's bald assertions. Which is more likely- that vpw made a mistake, or that the Almighty is hardly "all mighty" and lacks the ability to do useful things that he later gave us the ability to do? No qualifier was made when vpw made his bald assertions like "God is Spirit, and God can only communicate with what He is" and "God is Spirit, and God can only give what He is". Given how silly these statements are when someone isn't blindly memorizing them, but is just examining them, you'd think an immediate explanation and correction would follow. However, I think he was skipping over helping OUR understanding because HE didn't really understand either statement like whoever he plagiarized it from- Leonard, Stiles, Bullinger... I agree with you that God CAN put thoughts in the mind of one who isn't born again, or speak in an audible voice. (We can both comfortably agree with the Bible there.) This also allows us to skip over elaborate explanations forced on the Old Testament to make it conform to pfal, like adding the imposition of spirit on Balaam's donkey instead of God just making a miracle, or adding spirit to a pagan king-against his will- for an undefined short period so that vpw could claim to understand how the writing on the wall worked. Congratulations. Did I say otherwise?

"The Enterprise... I shoulda known. And I'll bet it was Jim Kirk himself who hauled the old girl out of mothballs to come looking for me." "A good Engineer is always a wee bit conservative, at least on paper." "I remember a time when we had to transport the Dohlman of Elaas. You never heard anyone whine and complain about quarters like that..." ""You canna change the laws of physics" I said... but of course he wouldn't listen so we had to come up with a new engine start-up routine..."

"It's all right-he's one of us." "One of us? He looks like three of us." "Have you finished?" "I'm only just beginning! From this night forward I'll use every means in my power to fight you!" "You're a strange man." "Strange? Because I can feel for beaten, helpless people?" "No. You're strange because you want to do something about it." "What's your reward for all this?" "Reward? You just don't understand, do you?" "I'm sorry. I do begin to see... a little... now." "You do? Then that's reward enough." "Do you know any prayers, my friend?" "I'll say one for you!" "Why, you speak treason!" "Fluently." "You'll sweat the lard out of that fat carcass of yours before this day is over, my pudgy friend."

I disagree. I believe the evidence at hand is able to either prove or disprove vpw's claim. Consider the following statements as given: A) God cannot be mistaken. (He may not tell you everything, but He will not discover later that He did not know the truth.) Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. B) God cannot lie. Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began Therefore, anything God Almighty says, that will be true and come to pass. If it does not come to pass, God Almighty did not speak it. BTW, in case you forgot, according to vpw, right in pfal, he said a prophet is "one who speaks for God", and a prophecy is "anything that is foretold or forth-told." If a man claims to speak for God and convey a message from God that foretells something, then, to use vpw's own definition, that man could properly be referred to as a "prophet." vpw claimed he heard from God, and conveyed that information to others. "And that's when He spoke to me audibly, just like I'm talking to you now. He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first Century if I would teach it to others." "He told me as plain as day that if I would study the Word, He would teach me the Word like He had not been able to teach it to anybody since the first century." Now, first of all, vpw was unable TO KEEP HIS STORY STRAIGHT. In the first account "The Way:Living in Love", the entire thing happens across 2 days and includes black snow. In the second account in "Born Again to Serve", the entire thing happens in a few minutes and involves black snow. Account 1: "I was praying. And I told Father outright that He could have the whole thing, unless there were real genuine answers that I wouldn't ever have to back up on. And that's when He spoke to me audibly, just like I'm talking to you now. He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first Century if I would teach it to others." "Well, on the day God spoke to me, I couldn't believe it. But then I came to the point by the next day where I said to myself-maybe it's true. So the next day I talked to God again. I said, 'Lord, if it's really true what you said to me yesterday, if that was really you talking to me, you've got to give me a sign so that I can really know, so that I can believe.' The sky was crystal blue and clear. Not a cloud in sight. It was a beautiful early autumn day. I said 'If that was really you, and you meant what you said, give me a sign. Let me see it snow.' My eyes were tightly shut as I prayed. And then I opened them. The sky was so white and thick with snow, I couldn't see the tanks at the filling station on the corner not 75 feet away." Account 2: ""I stood in my newly rented office and prayed to the Father. "Father, teach me the Word, teach me the Word." He told me as plain as day that if I would study the Word, He would teach me the Word like He had not been able to teach it to anybody since the first century. And, of course, at that time I thought, "Now that's a dandy. Boy, if I learned this Word of God, everybody will listen to me. The whole church will be blessed; my denomination will grow by leaps and bounds because we'll have the Word of God." And I thought that was terrific. But during the process of that revelation, I said, "Father, how will I know that this is You and that You'll really teach it to me? Because I had worked the Word in commentaries and the rest of it, and I couldn't understand it, couldn't get it to fit. And the sun was shining brightly. It was in the fall of the year. Gorgeous. There wasn't a cloud in the sky. And just on the inside of me it seemed to say, "Well, just say to the Father, "Well, if it'll just snow right now, you'll just know that this is God talking to you.'" Cause you see. I'd never had much experience with God's talking to me. And this business of His saying to me, just as audibly as I am speaking to you, that He'd teach me the Word if I'd teach it, sort of shook me. I'd been expecting to hear from heaven for a long time, but I hadn't heard that way before. Oh, my ears were perhaps clogged up. Since that time I've heard a lot of things from Him. And I said, "Lord, to know that this is true, I'd like to see it snow." And I opened my eyes, and it was pitch-black, almost pitch-black outside, and the snow was falling so thick. I have never seen it fall that thick since that day." So, first of all, the incident which supposedly transformed his life, it made so little impression that he couldn't keep straight whether it was 2 days it happened or 1, and he saw heavy snow but couldn't keep straight whether it was white snow or black snow. (Heavy, heavy WHITE snow makes everything look white- and produces what is called a "white out." Therefore, for the snowstorm to look black, the snow had to look black.) All right, ignoring the inconsistencies in vpw's own accounts, let's look at the claim. "He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first Century if I would teach it to others." All right. We know vpw claimed God told him this. He told others God said this concerning the future. Therefore, vpw prophesied this in the name of God, and either God told him exactly this, or vpw spoke it presumptuously. Deuteronomy 18:20-22. 20'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21"You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." Therefore, according to God, there's one way to tell if vpw, the plagiarizing rapist, spoke this presumptuously- that is, lied about this entirely- or if God told him exactly thia. Look at the results. If it didn't come to pass, or was untrue, then it wasn't from God Almighty, but was a lie from the pit of vpw's corrupt heart. Thus, we look at the claim itself, then at the results. " He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first Century if I would teach it to others." The parts of this claim: 1) God would teach vpw God's Word 2) God would teach vpw God's Word as it had not been known since the first century Church 3) vpw would have to teach all of that very same to others Let's look at this one at a time. 1) "God would teach vpw God's Word." This failed to come to pass. Virtually all of vpw's teachings can be traced back to the work of others, which he plagiarized. We know he took BG Leonard's class and then immediately began teaching BF Leonard's word, and he met JE Stiles, got his book, then began teaching JE Stiles' word, and that someone brought him EW Bullinger's books, he read them, then began teaching Bullinger's word. None of this was God teaching vpw. This was vpw photocopying the work of others- even making the same mistakes they made (like Bullinger saying "the kingdom of heaven" and "the kingdom of God" were different things) and sometimes lifting nearly precise sentences from their works. He even copied their work when their claims contradicted each other (like when he provided 2 different explanations for when "heteros" and "allos" were used.) This reflects a lack of understanding of the material and only the most surface understanding- like when someone just learns to recite back an answer without understanding what it means or why it's correct. Therefore, God did not teach vpw. vpw got his work entirely through plagiarism. Thus, vpw's entire claim fails. vpw did not hear from God- vpw spoke presumptuously and lied. 2) "God would teach vpw God's Word like it has not been known since the first century." This claim fails on several counts. First of all is the nebulous claim that some aspect of God's Word had been unknown from AD 99 to sometime after 1942. God's Word as it REALLY was known in the first century was NOT an INTELLECTUAL, BOOK thing. The New Testament hadn't even fully circulated! What the people knew was not a reading, text thing, but a living reality of the power and love of God Almighty. That's the type of thing that made the news at the House of Acts, but bore no resemblance to anything from vpw. In fact, he did its exact opposite. The 1st century Christians were decentralized and ran things locally. vpw dismantled that and DEMANDED a hierarchy. The 1st century Christians had all things in common. vpw insisted on having the best stuff and-even when the ministry owned it- claimed it for himself. "Keep your hands off my stuff." The 1st century Christians didn't care about money or possessions, but they set aside arrangements for the widows and orphans- vpw used the excuse "the poor you have with you always" and kept all the money at hq after having it all sent there. The 1st century Christians would have been driven to tears if they saw vpw's work being touted as the same as theirs. Finally, everything vpw taught was already known before he taught it- Bullinger knew some, Stiles knew some, Leonard knew some, Kenyon knew some...it was not "unknown" before that. It was not public knowledge everywhere, but it was accessible to the public, and was being taught and circulated before vpw heard of any of it. Therefore, God didn't teach God's Word to vpw as it hasn't been known since the 1st century, and vpw didn't teach it to others. Thus, vpw's entire claim fails. vpw did not hear from God- vpw spoke presumptuously and lied. 3) I already incorporated the discussion of the third claim into the second discussion. vpw taught others- but what he taught was the opposite of "God's Word as it has not been known since the first century." Thus, vpw's entire claim fails. vpw did not hear from God- vpw spoke presumptuously and lied.

There were two problems with this, as has been said a number of times before. A) If God Almighty can only speak to spirit BECAUSE HE IS SPIRIT, the principle here would be "only spirit can communicate with spirit." If vpw's statement here was correct- "God can only speak to that which he is"- then the only thing spirit can communicate with IS spirit- which means that The Great Principle fails. The Great Principle, according to vpw... "God who is Spirit, communicates with his creation in you, which is now your spirit, which then communicates with your mind. Then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act." Here's where it fails... "...your spirit, which then communicates with your mind." According to vpw, God Almighty, the Creator of Heavens and Earth, is UNABLE to communicate with a mind directly- BECAUSE HE IS SPIRIT. vpw then goes on to say your far punier spirit communicates with your mind. vpw obviously didn't understand what other men taught sometimes when he parroted their phrases in an attempt to claim it was all his work. (We fell for it anyway.) Then again, as has also been pointed out before, vpw also came out with other obviously incorrect statements on the subject. "God is Spirit, and God can only give that which He is." As Raf has pointed out before, this is obviously false. God gave manna in the desert. (Approximately 12,480 times, if my math is correct.) God is not manna. God gave that which He is NOT- over 12,000 times to go by the sole account of manna in the desert. This statement of vpw is manifestly incorrect. vpw's claims grossly limited God in each instance. "God can only speak to" limited God's many forms of communication. If necessary, we waste time going into accounts of God speaking to that which is not spirit (beginning with Genesis 3:8, the first instance where God speaks to flesh that lacks spirit.) However, it should already be clear God Almighty is able to communicate whenever and wherever He wishes, to whatsoever He wishes. "God can only give that which He is" severely limits God's ability to give, God's abundance. Sorry, I can accept that an enemy of God would make such a claim (like in Genesis 3:2, where God's abundance is excluded when "freely" is excluded), but not any competent servant of God, not any competent man or woman of God.

The most clear account concerning "measured amounts" of spirit concerned Elijah and Elisha. II Kings 2:9-14 (NASB) 9When they had crossed over, Elijah said to Elisha, "Ask what I shall do for you before I am taken from you." And Elisha said, "Please, let a double portion of your spirit be upon me." 10He said, "You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so." 11As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven. 12Elisha saw it and cried out, "My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!" And he saw Elijah no more Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces. 13He also took up the mantle of Elijah that fell from him and returned and stood by the bank of the Jordan. 14He took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him and struck the waters and said, "Where is the LORD, the God of Elijah?" And when he also had struck the waters, they were divided here and there; and Elisha crossed over. The effectiveness of even small "amounts" of spirit can best be seen here: Numbers 11: 16-17; 24-25. (NASB) 16The LORD therefore said to Moses, "Gather for Me seventy men from the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and their officers and bring them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you. 17"Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone. 24So Moses went out and told the people the words of the LORD. Also, he gathered seventy men of the elders of the people, and stationed them around the tent. 25Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again. Divided 71 ways, it was still effective. How many things do you know can work when decreased by a factor of 70? My favorite note is a few verses later. Numbers 11:29b "Would that all the LORD'S people were prophets, that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!" To Moses that would have been awesome. Nowadays, we just take it in stride. But yes, God's spirit would leave or depart from some Old Testament types, like in I Samuel 16:14. Just as information is "coded" in forms analogous to the 5 senses, I also think God can "code" it in any other form He sees fit, and adjusts it to the expectations of the recipient. That's why some modern Christians get information "bursts" and "downloads". (snip)

Next round.... "A good Engineer is always a wee bit conservative, at least on paper."

You have to go to the last page of a game-thread to see where a game CURRENTLY is. According to the quotes you just posted, you just replied to quotes posted 4 years ago. Since then, the game has moved on....

"One of us? He looks like three of us." "Have you finished?" "I'm only just beginning!" "You're a strange man." "Strange? Because I can feel for beaten, helpless people?" "No. You're strange because you want to do something about it." "What's your reward for all this?" "Reward? You just don't understand, do you?" "I'm sorry. I do begin to see... a little... now." "You do? Then that's reward enough."