WordWolf

"Arrivederci." "Au revoir." "Eminem's on the phone; he wants an answer now." "Umm... plain. Peanut? Plain!" "Who's your daddy?" "Wayne Rink!"

You make it sound like those of us who married older than 20s or 30s failed somehow. What were my other options? Mostly, "settling." Being willing to get married while accepting that at least one critically-important criteria to me was unmet and off the table. I "kept waiting", I kept looking, and kept hoping. I'm very happy with how that turned out. There's sensible choices between the 2 extremes. "Of those two," I'll try to reject both extremes and manage something sensible. (Which I did.) Sounds like you might have done that yourself.

Raf didn't answer me, but I was correct. I was asking him, in a roundabout way, if this was "West Side Story." The lines are from the song "Dear Officer Krupke." (The "social disease" thing was mentioned twice in the song.)

I agree with John here. It's easy to focus on things you've lost, whether they're impossible to measure or very specific objects. It's not always easy to STOP doing that, but try to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and work with what you DO have. twi is not WORTH the energy of continually obsessing about once you're clear. There's a saying that "living well is the best revenge." I'm not sure about that, but it sure beats the alternatives.

Ok, this thread's asking about experiences and requests (nicely) that we skip doctrine for the thread. I can cooperate. No, can't say I've had any such experiences. Mind you, I suspect there can be emotional residues, emotions impressed on a place or thing from a person feeling them, which would be different. I haven't had any of those, either. I'll let you know if that changes.

*thinks* By chance, did he have a social disease?

There were some incidents concerning vpw's visit to India that we've discussed before. There's what vpw SAID, and what HAPPENED. For example, vpw said something about there never before having been a minister who traveled there with his whole family- saying he was the first. Supposing there were none before him, he wasn't the first because he left his youngest son separated from his entire nuclear family for several months when he was tiny. vpw also claimed he had entre to all sorts of things there. This is true. His host, Dr Williams, had entre and walked vpw through everything. vpw responded by swallowing Williams' line of talk about missionaries- which vpw later spoke on and had someone transcribe into "his book" "The Dilemna of Foreign Missions." vpw claimed that his entre into things all over India was the result of some miraculous healing he performed. The truth is that Dr Williams opened all the doors- as Mrs W's account clearly stated in her book. vpw told us all that it was all because he supposedly was standing on the back of a train as it was preparing to pull out, and there was a man with a withered arm there, who was not a Christian. He asked the man if he wanted vpw to pray for him and if he believed he would be healed if vpw prayed for him. The man supposedly replied 'yes' to both, but was clear he did not believe in Jesus. vpw supposedly prayed and the man received a miracle of healing, his arm suddenly becoming whole and strong in a few seconds, just as the train was pulling out. Supposedly, vpw was shouting to him about him receiving his healing in the name of Jesus. Then someone came up to vpw on the train, said he was representing some official who saw the entire incident that happened back there, and was responding to such a healing, gave him the keys to his city, and said the doors to "the East" would always be open to him as a result. Mrs W's account of the train incident said he was asked to perform a special blessing for the people there, Christian and non, and he prayed publickly. Then a man came up on the train and said he represented an official who saw the prayer, and was impressed a Christian minister would pray for non-Christians. Later, Dr Williams arranged for vpw to get a key to a city and speak at the convention. Mrs W's account skips this entire supposed miracle. No surprise, since a poster who knew her and saw her notes said there was no such miracle in her notes of the time. The entire supposed incident was ridiculous, and cinematic. vpw supposedly is on the back of a train, and is permitted to hang off the back as it's prepared to move, and a crowd is allowed to surround the back of the train. As the train begins to pull out, vpw is in physical contact with someone on the ground, and the train is beginning regardless. Furthermore, he's with NO support, standing at the back of a train, bent over the back as it's moving, and he is immune to the laws of inertia and general physics because he's shouting slogans rather than struggling to stay onboard a train. So he obviously lied about what happened, and Mrs W refused to include that lie in her notes and in her book. An interesting side-note is that one poster who knew her claimed she pointed to a man in photos and said that was the man- but there's no such account in her notes and her OFFICIAL accout of what happened skipped over it. Does that mean she told ONE person the truth, and hid the truth from the rest-who wanted to believe it? Or did she lie to one person and tell the truth to everyone else even though it would have been easier to just give the lie they expected? I think we all would draw the same conclusions. ================================= Some threads that touched on this: wierwille's stories in pfal The Indian that was healed on the train by VP Keys to the city

Among other things, the Balaam account showed us that even an @$$ can speak the truth if God wants. Doesn't mean we should then elevate that @$$ and make him a minister or promote his class or give him 10% of our income. God worked with LOTS of Christians who were in twi IN SPITE OF their connections to twi. If you played "telephone" and followed back "who witnessed to who", I'm confident nearly all of the deliverance people got were because they learned from people who learned from people (and so on) who were part of the Jesus People/House of Acts whom vpw recruited when he hijacked the hippies from their spontaneous work with God to vpw's regimented religion. God blessed those people no matter what group they spoke of. Lots of us were distant "descendants" of them, and many of us did things God would like- but not because of twi or becauae of vpw. =======================================

Why should it be a surprise? vpw claimed he did research, then wrote a book. The truth was that he plagiarized the extremist claims of others, made a presentation doing that, then later had someone transcribe that into a book. That's all right out of his standard playbook- 1) claim to research- but plagiarize (pfal) 2) plagiarize wild, extremist claims but hide your sources (like his screeds lifted from the John Birch Society, the claims the Jews were not the Jews, that the Holocaust was exaggerated...) 3) make a presentation, then have someone transcribe it and later claim you wrote a book. (The "Studies in Abundant Living".) (That's the "lazy way" to "write" a book, and any minister or regular presenter can "produce" books regularly that way.)

It's also obvious he's closed to the idea he can be wrong, in small ways as well as large. His reference to the name of their organization as having a "double entendre" is INCORRECT. The CONNOTATION of the phrase he used indicates he's making an adult joke or the like. A DOUBLE MEANING is not exactly the same thing-and is what he meant. But, you know, he's too busy patting himself on the back and congratulating himself for using his legal name and not a pen-name to admit anyone who doesn't might know things he doesn't- but THINKS he knows. A normal person would be glad to know someone found his mistake-and correct it. JAL's made it clear he wants no input from GSC'ers regardless of content. (He claimed he was open to hearing from those who used their legal names- but when some did and tried to take him up on his offer of communication, he showed he was a hypocrite or liar by failing to back up his claim.)

"No wire hangers, ever!"

Reminds me a little of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," during the reading from the Book of Armaments. " And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.'"

Mistletoe can be deadly, if you eat it. Actually, it's not THAT poisonous- one guy proves this by tearing off a leaf and eating it in front of witnesses. But playing Batman can be hazardous to your career. Even if it's opposite Michelle Pfeifer and Danny deVito in "Batman Returns".

1) If there WERE technical experts, vpw would have proceeded as he wished anyway. His methods included telling an expert to do something and letting them do it as they knew how-so long as they obeyed- or assuming he himself was an expert and doing something HIS way no matter what. 2) This filming was done cheaper than you think- the furniture for the set was neither bought nor rented. vpw pretended to want to buy the furniture, installed it for the filming, filmed as fast as he could in the studio, then returned the furniture and said he wasn't satisfied and wanted his money back. This is the same dishonest method recommended by twi when running taped classes. If the location lacked a decent TV, the locals were told to "buy" a big TV then return it immediately after the class and get their money back. Jesus would be disgraced to hear of such dishonesty. 3) If vpw had actually listened to God instead of pretending, he would have gotten guidance and warnings. Instead, vpw did things as he wished. Remember, this is the same man who called himself "The Teacher" ON FILM over a decade before the filmed pfal class when he was mainly a lazy homiletician. (He knew how to preach, and that was the limit of his scholarship.) 4) twi CLAIMS to be about Jesus-sometimes- but it's more about vpw and whoever's in charge than about the REAL things of God. Sometimes locals out on the field were quite godly, but the closer to hq, the more stagnation is in evidence.

Bite your tongue. These are from one of the classic punk bands. Does "Gabba gabba hey" mean anything to you?

Next one: This show had an organization: the Nation Organization of Men Against Amazonian Mastery- abbreviated "NO MA'AM." And fans who signed up for it on a national registry! Plans to spin it off as its own show fell through.

Nanoo, nanoo, Raf! That one's Mork and Mindy.

Ok, let's try a slightly different one..... "Twenty, twenty, twenty-four hours ago..." (I'll explain both when this one is answered.)

Nobody judges JavaJane for having the twi experiences here. Lots of people who have no idea what it's like to spend time in an organization like twi would judge her-or us-for our time in.

In fairness to loy, when he started in twi he was an athlete, if not as stellar an athlete as he liked to portray. (Then again, who doesn't like to look at college and imagine they were a more noteworthy athlete than they were?) His main contributions to twi included leading the early corps on runs and stuff. He only really knew football and anything partly related to football, but he did know that much. Of course, his LATER time as the grand poobah had him STOP exercising and get a more average "middle age spread" that his believing wasn't able to melt, which was more noticeable after he STOPPED doing the AOS regimen once it was filmed.

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They might have been the buddies I was talking about.... If you follow the dialogue, at least once someone (Mr Peabody) refers to the show as "the Rocky Show." What state is Frostbite Falls in? :)

No, not a couple. And the show had different features besides the main characters. I KNOW you know this one, your memory goes way back.

The powers that be for the show went around the US and then went to Washington DC and parked in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue during the Cuban Missile Crisis-which they had no idea was happening at the time and they wondered why the President didn't come out to meet them. (That wasn't an episode, they traveled around.) It's in syndication now. I was watching it on TV the other month. BTW, there were THREE movies if you count the entire ensemble and not just the main characters. I forgot that. (No, they weren't GOOD movies.)

Ok, the show was supposed to be a buddy show, named after Buddy A. However, everyone liked Buddy B better, so they named it after BOTH- A & B. Then they changed it to B & A, then just B. The powers that be for the show actually did a gag about trying to get an imaginary location added as another US state. They showed up at the White House, but no President and no photo opportunity. IIRC, someone came out and said he was too busy- and this was right in the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis. (Not the Bay of Pigs.) ====================================== This show's production included some outsourcing to another country. While in its original run, it had aired right after American Bandstand at one time, and ran on NBC and ABC during that run. It's been syndicated since. A pinball machine was made with this as the theme in 1993. TSR made a roleplaying game with this setting in 1988. It takes place in Minnesota. There were TWO feature movies of the characters in theaters. Really,