WordWolf

Quotes 1,2 and 4 are bugging me. I've heard them in the last 2 years. Apparently, I didn't see them in the theater, but at home on one format or another.

Ok, no bites on that one. I'll switch songs. Same artist. "Son," she said, "Have I got a little story for you. What you thought was your Daddy was nothin' but a... While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteen, Your real Daddy was dyin'. Sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked." The ellipsis is in the song, I didn't drop a word.

Ok, let's see...... A boy is inspired at a private school by his English teacher, but later loses focus in life and just works as a clerk in an appliance store. He finally begins to focus his life when people begin to turn into zombies all over Britain, and he tries to save his friend.

Are they height-challenged?

Is Jason Statham in this one? I KNOW I've seen this in the last 3 years.

"Springtime for Hitler and Germany. Winter for Poland and France."

"At home, drawing pictures of mountain tops With him on top. Lemon yellow sun, arms raised in a V. And the dead lay in pools of maroon below. Daddy didn't give attention Oh, to the fact that mommy didn't care" "Clearly I remember pickin' on the boy. Seemed a harmless little f***. Ooo, but we unleashed a lion" "How could I forget? And he hit me with a surprise left My jaw left hurtin', ooo, dropped wide open." This one's from 1992. Anyone listen to that Seattle stuff ever?

Anchorman:the Story of Ron Burgundy Pete Wilson Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle

That explains why it sounded familiar. The "medieval" thing is PULP FICTION, isn't it?

Is that "Charlie Wilson's War of the Worlds"?

Sounds like he knew a lot more about character than anyone at hq.

That does not follow logically. That's why you had to change the subject fast. No real effort to address the question, just a personal attack. If something is related SPECIFICALLY to the "mechanics" of spirit, if its sum and substance is SPIRITUAL, then its composition is PRIMARILY spiritual and its MECHANICS are primarily spiritual. Written text is PRIMARILY intellectual, and secondarily anything else. The point that was raised was the NEED for a specific PHRASEOLOGY to produce an effect that SUPPOSEDLY was SPIRITUAL and NOT intellectual. When the mysticism is stripped away, that is an issue that can't be laughed off with a glib phrase, an insult, and a change of subject. Another is the OBVIOUS COMMONALITY of the speakers. In twi, everybody's TIP and prophesy sounded the same as everyone else's. And in ex-twi groups, when doctrine changed overnight, and everyone's beliefs changed overnight, the TIP and prophesy changed overnight and just happened to match it completely. Those STRONGLY suggest that was all a matter of intellect, belief, and group cohesion rather than a thing NOT of any of those.

"Daddy didn't give attention Oh, to the fact that mommy didn't care" "How could I forget? And he hit me with a surprise left My jaw left hurtin', ooo, dropped wide open."

Carl Palmer's touring, if you can believe it. IIRC, he's got "the Carl Palmer Trio."

Might as well. None of us is getting any younger.

Sure sounds like a Lucky Man to me. Maybe it was Greg Lake or someone. If not, some other rocker with fame.

"There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold"

"You get a shiver in the dark It's a rainin' in the park, but meantime South of the river you stop and you hold everything. A band is blowin' Dixie- 'double four' time. You feel alright when you hear the music ring."

If she grew up with those Indiana boys on those Indiana nights, then this was probably Mary Jane, and the song's about her last dance. (Tom Petty's "Mary Jane's Last Dance.") The music video is even creepier than Petty's usual videos.

As this thread unfolded, I went from the opinion of "I see no reason to question modern SIT as I was taught it" to "I see good reasons to question it, and none to bolster the argument" and ended at "I see no reason to question the claim it was all a fake." (I'm still open to a good reason, but I'm doubting there is one.) I am not convinced that there is no Biblical SIT being practiced SOMEWHERE or possible/available TO be practiced. I know what I experienced was not it. I guess I'm an SIT agnostic. :) As for interpretation/prophesy stuff, I'm convinced it COULD have been faked, and almost all the time, it WAS faked. However, I know of a few instances where I do not think it was faked, and an actual message from God may have been heard. Neither of 2 that spring to mind used twi jargon, and neither of the 2 used the normal formulations.

Um, Credence????

Home Alone 2: Lost in New York Rob Schneider Demolition Man

Is this "Down on the Corner"?

Sometimes it's easy to spot whenever someone's trying to misdirect discussion away from yet another thing that was vpw's fault. Some people, in fact, tend to telegraph that it's what they're doing, fairly consistently. It makes it easier for me to see it happening. Case in point: (all underlines are added by me for emphasis) Plain English-whether or not vpw himself taught it, if it didn't pass vpw's approval, it would have not been FILMED let alone copied and used. So, it wasn't that vpw thought it was one way and others came along and contradicted him- this was vpw's show no matter who was at the pulpit. So, this reflected vpw's understanding at different times- and the practices were the result of applying what vpw said and taught. Specifically, vpw thought they were making it better in quality by doing all that. It was even directly in the taped sessions. Yes, there were some docents of the practice sessions who were "gestapo" about it- but they were only following orders. The class itself showed taping and analysis, so they followed suit. This was fine with vpw who did nothing to curtail it. So, this was a natural consequence of the class that reflected vpw's doctrine and passed his approval. 'Raf' date='15 July 2013 - 03:46 PM: "Johniam, I guess what I'm saying is, if VPW signed off on Earl Burton's class, then what Earl Burton taught is quite likely what VPW wanted taught, thus superseding his earlier presentation of the same principle. In other words, VPW clearly signed off on the "interpretation should be generally as long as the tongue" idea. I don't think the class instructors got all gestapo on the students. I think VPW did, and it filtered down." It was a clear point, and a good point. Naturally, that means some people will immediately try to obscure it since it means vpw is to be blamed for something, and that's verboten for some people. 'johniam' date='17 July 2013 - 05:11 PM Raf: Yes, VP totally signed off on Earl's class, but I met Earl a time or 2 in the 70s and I've seen him recently. He never came off to me as abrasive in any way, in person or in his class, plus I don't recall anyone here on GSC ever calling him verbally or sexually abusive." That's not the point. The point was that vpw set up practices- and Earl delivered them via tape- that were used to get "gestapo" on people. So, the local jackboots didn't all just wake up one morning and-in sync- try to bulldoze things with a mechanized approach. That came down, in steps, specifically from vpw. Earl could be very nice personally, and still pass along doctrines and practices that others would utilize fully- and harass people in the process. Earl certainly MEANT well. So, Earl's niceness (or theoretical lack of same) is a non-issue as it does nothing to address the results. Johniam (ibid) Two things... 1) One complaint on GSC which has surfaced in multiple contexts is that many times, people in authoritative positions in twi were not trained to handle people problems at all, so maybe they actually did walk with God, maybe they lucked out, or maybe people got hurt on their watch. I'm not just talking about VP or Earl, I'm talking about twig cordos, wow cordos, class cordos, etc. The first time I took Earl's class, one of the excellor session leaders acted like you were out of fellowship forever if your tongue was 10 seconds and your interpretation was 9. Earl and VP never came off to me like that." But they were the ones that passed it all along, whether or not you saw EITHER of them practicing it. (vpw was VERY good at doing ONE set of things in private and teaching ONE set of things in private- then being completely different in public. Johniam (ibid) "Plus... 2) VPs class was in 1967 when the ministry was smaller. VP was only concerned that people did it back then. By 1980 or so, when Earl's class came, there were thousands of people still coming into twi. Then the concern was more on quality. I can see that, but IMO timing the interpretations and stuff like that did not improve the overall quality of anything; it just gave folks one more thing to grumble about." So, in your opinion, vpw changed things and added practices that didn't improve with the changes- and made it easier for the heavy-handed people to be even more heavy-handed with others. If it was all reflections of what God wanted and said, there would be no need for improvements because it would already have been given at the highest performance level, too. So, vpw set up changes and added practices that did nothing to help Christians-but rather hinder them instead. Not really news anymore-except to a handful. Here we have the change of subject- making the discussion about anything BUT vpw's culpability for his poor practices and errors. Nothing clear-just a vague statement so others have to try to interpret an abstraction. That WAS the point-for almost everyone. There's the point again. Also not defensible since only the vague stuff worked. Getting into specifics showed vpw as culpable. So, leaving before you're caught mangling the understanding of the situation.

[sorry, but that's not what he was doing at all.] [He was speculating, on his own, about what vpw MIGHT have said. That's nothing at all like a quote- with the obvious exception of the word "hookiepook"- which we all know vpw used and John was clear about that. I note the term is dismissive and demeaning, but other than that I have no problems with its use. If he wasn't serious, for that matter, he wouldn't have considered starting a new thread about it.] Johniam: [vpw used "hookiepookism" to refer to anything supposedly supernatural and not Christian. We know that, and nobody contests it. John did NOT speak about what you just claimed- as we can see. John claimed that the modern, accepted term would not be "hookiepookism", but "paranormal." I agree, and that term isn't loaded and pejorative like the other is. But then John, all on his own, speculated on what "paranormal" is, came up with a meaning entirely his own-which contradicts what experts on English said it means- and then took his invented meaning and began speculating on the implications on a definition he himself made up and nobody is agreeing with. You said he claimed vpw didn't let anything get at cross-purposes with what he taught, and that's what John was addressing when he used the word "cross purpose." John, however, was quite clear he was claiming the word "paranormal" implied that paranormal things were NOT at cross purposes with what is normal- which is in opposition to what the word actually means. I'd rather just let this go-nobody is perfect-but since you brought it back, I thought it was important to set the record straight and quote what John actually said.]