WordWolf

I'm holding off on answering with substance because I'm trying to wait until I have something to say that's worth saying. This question deserves a better class of answer.

"They can beg and they can plead But they can't see the light, that's right. 'Cause the boy with the cold hard cash Is always Mister Right"

Al Pacino stars as a detective who travels with a ship to investigate ships sinking and a series of murders. He encounters an advanced submarine and its Captain, and suspects a woman he met may be responsible for the killings.

"We're an American Band." Not sure WHICH band we are, but I know what country it's from...

I've got the song but not the artist.

On every episode of "Happy Days of Our Lives."

"Here, check this out." *link to a video of over an hour* Ah, nobody's just going to sit through an hour-long video just because you say "You might learn something." The only thing I'd probably gain in losing 90 minutes on this is learning how tight some people wear their tinfoil hats. I followed the link directly to YouTube. Here is what the POSTER posted about it. "Expose the Luciferian doctrine - Black Nobility (Papal Bloodlines) - the Vatican - Jesuit - Masonic mafia network. Then expose Aristocracy Knighthoods (Knights of Malta, Royal Monarchy, Rothschilds etc.), Zionism, Secret Services (CIA/NSA/CSIS/OSS/MOSSAD/MI6/KGB/Deutsches Verteidigungs Dienst, etc.), Illuminati Brotherhood, Int./National Think Tanks (CFR, Bilderberg, Tavistock, Fraser, Rand), Governments, Agencies (Nasa, Cern, Espa, etc.), Police, Businesses, NGO's, indoctrination facilities (Jesuit Georgetown University, Yale, Cambridge, etc.), False Prophets, New Age Propaganda (Zeitgeist, Yoga, David Wilcock, etc.), Truth movements (Alex Jones and the likes), psyops (Media fakery, etc.), eugenics (Darwin, fake scientists, etc.), fake or empty Youtube accounts, counterfeit religions (Islam, Tao, Buddha, Hindu, etc.)...the lot. Expose it all and challenge it's corrpution and perversion." They also had a link to "Catholic Jesuit Ecumenical Anti-Christ One World Religion Movement." And said this in replies to the original video... "Welcome to Babylon. This is more than an ideology, it is a satanic rebellion of God. Anyone denying that is uniformed, cognitively dissonant or plain lying through their teeth. There is too much supporting evidence out there to deny such a truth, and if you don't believe in the agenda being biblical and spiritual, well the possessed persons runing the agenda do." "Knight of Malta run CIA run Youtube is all about surpressing info. It's amazing that as soon as you upload a video it is censored, scanned and held away from the public, but a fuzzy cat video will get 20 million hits in a day. I have backed up all my videos because my account as already started to be attacked and the views withheld to discredit its truthfulness. This is expected in our age of evil men who cowardly hide in the shadows trying to usurp the human spirit and God's work." The page for the poster themself has links to something extolling the original 1611 King James Version, something asserting the US space program/NASA is faked, the Protocols of Zion, and other stuff. I think a cute one is how they link to where someone says Canada is a hoax. The country of Canada doesn't exist- it's just water. I SWEAR I'm not making this up, they said it. https://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/info-on-canada-as-a-bankrupt-corporation/ They alternate between calling it a "bankrupt corporation" and fiction. I don't know what this says about all the people who've supposedly visited the land or lived there, which includes my nuclear family and some extended family of mine. I have a cousin from there who, apparently, must not exist. His kid must not also, by extension. Odd, since I met them both and talked with them... https://www.youtube.com/user/RobinMFisher Nobody has to "discredit" these videos-their content does that very well, and the poster finishes the job effortlessly.

It isn't, but twi and others who do that often decide they have "arrived" at a matter by consulting a lexicon and/or an interlinear. The results often include rudimentary mistakes like vpw making a big deal out of "ekklesia" as "those called out" because of the construction of the word, when it just means "ASSEMBLY." His own example of a crowd/mob should have illustrated that. They were a bunch of people who assembled in one place- they were NOT "called out" for anything. In fact, most didn't even know what the commotion was about. It's good to seek answers- but I've seen results of that method produce WORSE error because of the hubris of the reader. Who said anything about "FOLLOWING" an expert when he's a translator? Translators are good for helping make the text readable and clear. "Making Scripture speak deep meaning to us" is NOT the part of the translator- that's the job of God Almighty. Confusing the two is bad.

"It's so nice to be back home where I belong." "Dolly'll never go away again!" I started with the SECOND line of the song since the first line contains the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalopes "Escalopes (also spelled as escallopes) are pieces of boneless meat which have been thinned out using a mallet, rolling pin or beaten with the handle of a knife, or alternative, combined with, or merely 'butterflied'. The mallet breaks down the fibers in the meat, making it more tender, while the thinner meat cooks faster with less moisture loss, producing a dish that that cooks faster and is moister and more tender." "The most famous recipe using veal escalope is "Veal Cordon Bleu"". It wasn't the hardest null cipher to crack, but I did want to make an example. Back when I used to read a magazine that had puzzles, they included ciphers of different types, including a page of null ciphers once. The format and coded message here was one they used, but I made it a bit more obvious. For those who really want a hard cipher, I'd recommend looking into Baconian ciphers. They even hid one of those into an illustration on the page containing Baconian ciphers. One reader figured it out and sent a reply illustration based on theirs. The rest of us had no idea there was a message TO find.

"Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya! You killed my father! Prepare to die!" "STOP SAYING THAT!"

Come on, people. Just because you've heard this in a musical doesn't mean it has not been recorded and gotten airplay on the radio....

Your answer included the correct name, "FIRE", so that counts as correct. Go.

My rule of thumb for this thread has been: If a person who's never seen the movie can guess correctly, then it's a good quote. I've guessed a number from movies I've never seen. In the past page, we've gotten some quotes where people who know the movie well can get them, but the movie is NOT remembered FOR THAT LINE. As a fan of YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN, I can recognize Gene Hackman's line...especially since I rewatched it for Halloween. I liked "Pulp Fiction", but I need reminders of the discussion of Big Kahuna Burger to remember it at all. I know it's more challenging to come up with such lines, but that's the challenge of this particular game- to come up with such lines.

"Move over, Rover, and let Jimi take over!" "You say your mum ain't home, it ain't my concern, Just play with me and you won't get burned. I have only one burning desire"

For fun, I thought an example of a null cipher would illustrate what happens. What would you think if someone had this shopping list in his pocket when he was picked up for questioning, under suspicion of being a terrorist? dill pickles yams (1 can) nectarines (1 bag) apples (1 bag) mangoes (2 bags) ice cream (preferably Neapolitan) toaster strudel eggs (1 dozen) bacon (Canadian if available) relish instant ramen dates (1 pack) granny smith apples (if in season) egg nog tahini oranges (1 bag) niguri (if fresh) instant coffee tomato paste escalopes

You're really oversimplifying the process of just moving back and forth between 2 languages. The words often don't directly correspond, so the translations often have to change a lot or they won't translate correctly. Example 1: English has the expression "man and wife." Spanish has an expression "marido y senora", "husband and lady." The idea is much the same but the wording is different to get there. Example: I met someone who spoke almost no English. They wanted to ask how old my grandmother was. They said "How many years does she have?" That's how you ask the same question in Spanish-"How old is she?" So, they DIDN'T do that, the code-talkers. They translated WORD FOR WORD even when that made little sense-because their goal WAS to be confusing to listeners. The new phrases were not new WORDS, they were new PHRASES- "iron fish" for "submarine" and "black street" for "squad." The phrases were new, but composed of existing words. That's right from the military link you posted. Perhaps that's how it was in the movie-but Hollywood changes things. Again, from the military link, they explained how a Navajo listener wouldn't hear anything like that-which happened (according to the Wikipedia link, a Navajo POW was unable to make sense of a recording.) Here's what the military link says: "When a Navajo code talker received a message, what he heard was a string of seemingly unrelated Navajo words. The code talker first had to translate each Navajo word into its English equivalent. Then he used only the first letter of the English equivalent in spelling an English word. Thus, the Navajo words "wol-la-chee" (ant), "be-la-sana" (apple) and "tse-nill" (axe) all stood for the letter "a." One way to say the word "Navy" in Navajo code would be "tsah (needle) wol-la-chee (ant) ah-keh-di- glini (victor) tsah-ah-dzoh (yucca)." Most letters had more than one Navajo word representing them." The simple translation from English to Navajo would not have been an unbreakable code. What made the code so hard to break was the 2 steps of coding- both substitution AND null ON TOP of translating. If God wants to make a cipher of each message, He can easily do so. If you think He would do so, and does do so, that's your business. I think many things He CAN do, He won't do, and this is one of them.

I can hear Jimi in my head with that lyric, too. I said the SONG was wrong, but I said nothing about the artist. (It was a conspicuously specific correction.) But it wasn't the Hendrix song you named.

God CAN do whatever He wants. It is POSSIBLE for God to take, say, ancient Etruscan, do a substitution with it, and make an "unbreakable" code. If anyone COULD speak Etruscan, they'd translate to something like "nitwit oddment blubber tweak", but the cipher would switch the words to something in sentences. I don't buy it either, but that's how it would have to work. ============== A few words on codes/ciphers. Codes/ciphers fall into 2 basic categories: substitution and null. (Or uses both.) A substitution cipher switches one letter for another (A means B, B means C), or a number for a letter (1 means A, 2 means B), or one word or phrase for another ("IRS" means "vampire", "hitler" means "boss"). A null cipher is a LOT longer than the original message. The original message is relatively short, but is surrounded by information that is NOT part of the message to hide the message. The result can be a jumble and incoherent, or can look like something NOT a secret code. One example of both is a song I've heard. The title is a null cipher, and the lyrics are a substitution cipher, where each PHRASE is substituting for another PHRASE. (In each case, the same phrase.) The song is about something simple, but gets past the censors all the time because it's not in plain English. However, we should all be able to break the code. The title is "Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo." For the sensibilities of the classier posters here, I'll just link to the lyrics. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bloodhoundgang/foxtrotuniformcharliekilo.html I was working on an example of a null cipher and accidentally deleted my work. I'll redo it later.

That's only a PARTIAL description of the code-talkers. The code was DESIGNED to be hard to break. They did FOUR things to do this. 1) They used English as the base language 2) They used direct translation into Navajo 3) They invented new terms not existent in Navajo specifically to confuse things 4) They also used a "null cipher" on top of that. Just going from plain English to a null cipher can conceal a lot of information. That's when a code is used where most of the text is NOT the message, and a part IS. That's why, in this case, an actual Navajo listened to the messages, and had NO IDEA what was being said. He could pick up individual words in Navajo, but they seemed jumbled. They didn't form sentences like I'm doing now. So, the code-talkers used deliberately concealing translation, new, unfamiliar phrases, and an actual code ON TOP of the languages. Just knowing Navajo was not enough to "break the code."

"It's so nice to be back home where I belong."

"Move over, Rover, and let Jimi take over!" "You say your mum ain't home, it ain't my concern, Just play with me and you won't get burned."

BZZT! Sorry, wrong song.

Explains why I couldn't remember which of them did it. U-2 did a cover as well, on "Rattle and Hum", IIRC.