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Should I let it go a little longer?

I would have recognized Ray and the French guy. BTW, there was a comic book once. IIRC, it was the end of Iron Man 125 or the beginning of Iron Man 126. Tony Stark and Rhodey traveled to Monaco and France, and a fight broke out in France mostly in the street. A few sharp-eyed readers noticed a hot-dog stand that got knocked down in the common was called "Beldar's Red Hots". I think the Power-That-Be finally got the message, but successes with the Blues Brother movie and Wayne's World led some people to think that all sorts of Saturday Night Live characters could support a movie the same way. So, we got a series of bombs based on the Coneheads, Mary Katherine Gallagher, Leon Phelps the Ladies' Man, the Butaki brothers, Stuart Smalley..... I guess they finally got tired of putting in all that work for movies that seemed to be guaranteed bombs.

Then again, this being a TV show, it's entirely possible Barry ended up in the past, and just happened to run into Eobard independently showing up at the same point in time, and began fighting, with us joining. I'd need to review the footage to know for certain if they arrived IN TIME together or only IN SPACE together.

As I reconstruct based on what I've seen and what we know, Eobard showed up in Barry's past, specifically to kill little Barry. Barry of sometime in the future showed up WITH him, ACTIVELY FIGHTING HIM ALL THE WAY. (Barry was there when he left some other point, and traveled with him together to one time. Perhaps they used one device at the same time like The Treadmill of the comic.) Thawne arrived, and tried to shake off Barry and kill little Barry. I THINK killing Barry's Mom was an accident in the course of all that, but I'd need to go over things a lot more finely to say it with confidence. Adult Barry spirited little Barry one way, Eobard went another. Eobard was now out of Speed (connection to The Speed Force) and was now unable to return to his own time-which shocked him. Either Barry lost Eobard because Eobard was now off his radar, or- more likely- Barry vanished off somewhen else. We know Barry vanished in Eobard's present (possibly because he chased Eobard) but not why and when he went. I think if I was trying harder I could connect it better, but it's just a TV show and I don't feel like diagramming every nuance out like I might have once upon a time. I'll have it long before the rest of the public because Mrs Wolf and I tend to piece the details together as soon as there's something to connect, and the show later brings the rest of the audience up to speed. (We identified Lisa Snart about 5-7 seconds after she first appeared to chat, for example.)

"Proper chronological order" NECESSARILY means "the order in which they were written" and can't mean "the order in which events unfold"? You can't even get Star Wars fans to agree on whether or not that's the case, and they can ask the author directly "What is the order in which the movies should be watched?"

I think that's what he wants NOW. (Which COMPLETELY changed once he was stranded in the past.) I don't have why he ever came back into his past yet. But let me work on that. I think I can do it with a little more information.

We knew he wanted to go back to his time. We knew Barry's speed is the key to getting him there. I think he's trying to get Barry to his ultimate speed, then do what he did to Harrison Wells to Barry and "steal" his speed.

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I'll keep you posted. BTW, based on the episode prior to that, I have my own theory of EXACTLY what Eobard wants.

Pot, meet kettle.

I'll have another eventually. Anyone can take a turn until then if they want.

waysider's saying there are no "administrations"/"dispensations" except in the opinion of the reader. So, we're not in a "grace" "oikonomia" any more than we're in a "law administration." It's entirely a separate discussion as to whether or not there's a "rapture" of any kind or any kind of tribulation or end-time. That might be several discussions right there. So, you might rephrase with something like "so, do we live through a tribulation before Christ returns to Earth?"

It looked to me like you wanted to discuss them. I was reminding you that we do that sort of thing, and where to post it to get things rolling.

Unless, of course, you and I are both wrong and missed something crucial. That's always true, but I get suspicious whenever Darby's name gets trotted around. And again when someone drops a term meant to belittle a position like "secret rapture." If Darby had called it that, then it would be appropriate for using it to criticize him, especially when it would be an inconsistent term. The concept of dispensations was around long before Darby came along, whether or not he popularized them, and whether or not his particular spin on them was consistent with previous ones, and whether or not anyone else got the credit/blame for them. The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) even used the word "dispensations." So, I'd say I don't think it's there, but I'd be slow to declare "It's not there" without a LOT more digging directly into what actually IS there. ======================== I lost the topic. Was the STF-friendly Bible, produced and sponsored by STF and written by one guy, connected to this? (I heard Scofield's was, bot not Schoenheit's.)

I figured it wasn't this song, because the other parts didn't sound familiar. If you had included part of the dinner disaster, I would have gotten it in a moment. This is "Rapper's Delight", by the Sugar Hill Gang.

It's not that geography changes the titles. Occasionally, a title may change from country to country. (In the UK, "the Avengers" became "Marvel Avengers Assemble", since fans of the old TV show and later movie "the Avengers" would object and possibly get confused.) Generally, it's a change in language that triggers a change in titles. Occasionally, the new title makes sense, but often it's just something they think works better locally. "Despicable Me" aired here as "My Favorite Villain." "Safe" aired as "Code of Fear." Taken became "Implacable Search." "Home Alone" became "My Poor Little Angel." "The Hangover" became "What Happened Yesterday?" "Hope Springs" became "What Do I Do With My Husband?" "Todd Pilgrim Vs the World" became "Scott Pilgrim vs the Exes of the Girl of His Dreams." And so on, and so on. You can find some examples on the Imdb pages of movies if you go to the Release Date link, then scroll down to AKA (also known as) for the release titles in different countries as well as the working titles. So, they might have changed the name of "Tucker", but it's unlikely they went with somethng as idiosyncratic as I came up with, and especially with dropping a name out of the title. ("Cloverfield" became "Cloverfield-Monster", "Salt" became "Agent Salt" and so on.) I came up with that title by combining the mental image I was getting of a mechanic after constructing 50 cars in a row with the title of the movie "Diary of a Tired Black Man."

I tend not to lose sleep about all this. At worst, I'll sigh or something or I may find something interesting in their POV even if I think the overview is completely wrong. The closest to bothering me is when someone's making a point of being obnoxious about one position or the other specifically to goad the other side. Whichever side they support, I usually look for the door right about then. I don't have the patience anymore to deal with children on a soapbox.

Your queston is not as simple as you think. AFAIK, the main positions on this are Dispensational (administrational) and Covenantal. I lean towards Covenantal, and, frankly, I did when I was in twi, starting from when I rendered "oikonomia" not "dispensation" and not "administration", but I preferred "stewardship", and focused on who were the stewards and what they were stewarding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_theology

MRAP, you might want to pose your questions on a new thread in Doctrinal. They're off-topic in the middle of an unrelated thread in ATW.

I do, but the writer apparently doesn't think so. And there was a legitimate point about loss of compassion in there.

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"Diary of a Very Tired Car Mechanic"????

I'm not your target audience, and most of them moved on after GSC. I was raised Roman Catholic, and was an altar boy in a family involved in the local parish. (Altar boys, commentators, a Eucharistic minister.) I was told to believe in the Trinity. In fairness, I never had any depth of that other than being told to believe in that. So, when I left the church at age 12, it was because I had no confidence that what they-or any other Christian- taught had any validity. After a few years of being a dedicated anti-Christian and being anti-Bible, I got involved with twi. (As you can imagine, there's quite a story with such a drastic change in worldview and perspective in the course of a week, for me to even attend my first meeting.) I "became a Trinitarian" in the technical sense but didn't have any real belief invested in it. When I had questions my local parish was ill-equipped to even face, I walked away from the Trinity (in addition to Christianity.) A few years later, I got involved with twi. My reasons for believing the Trinity was incorrect but Christianity WAS correct were more based on sense now than before, although, admittedly, somewhere in there was the idea that someone who was truly expert on these matters signed off on it. Now that I have the freedom to believe any of those, I find that I can get along with Christians of all stamps providing they're conducting themselves like Christians and not Pharisees of any flavor. I don't have anything invested in any doctrine other than preference, and can change that if the information changes. I have yet to see a convincing argument for the Trinity over non-Trinity. If I ever became a Trinitarian, it would be a REAL one and not just going through the motions because I'm told to believe this by authority figures. If I ever became one, it would be because it made the most sense to me. That's the closest I can come to answering your question-the hypothetical as to what it would take.

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