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Albert Einstein Professor Max Krassman Tomas de Torquemada Dr Richard H. Thorndyke Moses Professor Van Helsing Victor Frankenstein William J. Lepetomane Dr Frederick Bronski Goddard Bolt After this, it gets obvious.

Without them, there would have BEEN no twi. The Christian hippies from the House of Acts lured in outsiders with their love and compassion, and the coordinators and other locals gave them a reason to stay with their love and compassion (to various degrees.) A dry class wouldn't have had much appeal to many people WITHOUT those others vouching for how good it was. (That's why twi is doomed-it can't recreate that without everything it's missing, and people are too savvy now.) I know that the twi IDENTITY brought group cohesion-something for the people to rally around- and "the class" was something tangible to offer people- a "rite of passage" and another marker of who's "in" and who's not- but the local people made it all work. REAL Christians made a difference locally and that's why the group grew once. Their absence is why the group's withered almost to irrelevance except to a handful of people.

A distinction between our ages shows why you watched them and I didn't.... in the early 70s, I watched shows about guys but not girls. :) But YES, that was "Electra Woman and Dyna Girl." Ever hear that they thought of a new show? A fan was supposed to approach "the original" Electra Woman, who was jaded and bitter, and end up becoming the new Dyna Girl.

No.

What, no opera for the greatest show in the whole, wide world?

Ok, here's some old kids shows, all science-fiction in setting, all 70s in origin. Name any one to get the round. A) This post-WW3 Saturday morning offering featured young scientists exploring what's left of Earth in a high-tech RV/lab. It rather prominently featured a functioning JETPACK used during episodes. Filmation did this one, and the nose of this vehicle was used in some other live-action 70s stuff they did. It was named after their large travel vehicle. B) This space show also appeared on Saturday mornings. Set in the future, it took place on an asteroid, and had young scientists learning about the universe. Their "SEEKER" vehicles had a nose that Filmation used in some other work they did around that time. Jonathan Harris and Brian Tochi were part of the principal cast, and acted alongside the robot "Peepo." "ORACO!" ("Orders Received And Carried Out.") It was named after their off-Earth school. C) This Saturday morning space show was set on the same asteroid, but was only vaguely related to the other show. It had a lead hero, and used more macho "Starfire" vehicles rather than the SEEKERs (almost all the time.) His tiny robot, designated "W1K1" was called "Wiki." Sid Haig played the bad guy, and the principal cast included JAMES DOOHAN. It was done in the old "movie serial" format and was usually part of a larger show with cartoons. It was named after the hero and his organization. D) This show aired in the afternoon, and was from Sid & Marty Kroft. It had Chuck Mc Cann and Bob Denver as NASA employees who accidentally fly into space while loading food into a ship. (One of them was told to press "lunch" and he pressed "launch" instead.) The other main character was played by Patty Maloney, actress and dwarf. She played "Honk", an alien who communicated with horn-honk sounds and was usually smarter than the 2 humans. Its forgettable name referenced the distance traveled and the level of sanity exhibited by the 2 human leads. E) This Sid & Marty Kroft show aired in both daytime and Saturday morning slots. It featured Jim Nabors and Ruth Buzzi as 2 androids and their space/time vehicle, unable to return to the present and deposit 2 people from the present back in their correct time. In the process, they visited Earth and Earth colonies in the past and future, in adventures that were heavy-handed social commentaries. (Hey, it was the 70s and that was no surprise.) It was named after the vehicle. F) This Sherwood Schwartz sitcom was a Saturday-morning offering. A teacher sips from the Fountain of Youth, and finds he switches back and forth between his current age and himself at age 12, unpredictably of course, as he seeks a cure. Hilarity ensues. Herbert Edelman and Robbie Rist share the title role. (Yeah, "cousin Oliver" Robbie Rist.) G) This Sid and Marty Krofft daytime production overtly spoofed the classic Batman television show. Deirdre Hall and Judy Strangis played the 2 title roles. They rode to crimes in the "ElectraCar" and had an "ElectraBase." In 2001, plans were made to make a new show which spoofed the original. Markie Post starred in the pilot, but the show was never picked up. H) This Sid and Marty Krofft production aired on Saturday morning and in the afternoon. It was a science fiction production that was NOT intended to be a time-travel series (some viewers misunderstood.) Writers for that show, amazingly, included: Larry Niven, Ted Sturgeon, Ben Bova, DC Fontana, Norman Spinrad, and Walter Keonig. It, of course, was aimed at children. A number of them remembered it decades later and greenlit a theatrical movie inspired by the original show.

Albert Einstein Professor Max Krassman Tomas de Torquemada Dr Richard H. Thorndyke Moses Professor Van Helsing

Of course. Go.

"How ironic, Tony! Trying to rid the world of weapons, you gave it its best one ever! And now, I'm going to kill you with it!"

Oh, and yes, George. You have a plethora.

Albert Einstein Professor Max Krassman Tomas de Torquemada

Ok, here's some old kids shows, all science-fiction in setting, all 70s in origin. Name any one to get the round. A) This post-WW3 Saturday morning offering featured young scientists exploring what's left of Earth in a high-tech RV/lab. It rather prominently featured a functioning JETPACK used during episodes. Filmation did this one, and the nose of this vehicle was used in some other live-action 70s stuff they did. It was named after their large travel vehicle. B) This space show also appeared on Saturday mornings. Set in the future, it took place on an asteroid, and had young scientists learning about the universe. Their "SEEKER" vehicles had a nose that Filmation used in some other work they did around that time. Jonathan Harris and Brian Tochi were part of the principal cast, and acted alongside the robot "Peepo." "ORACO!" ("Orders Received And Carried Out.") It was named after their off-Earth school. C) This Saturday morning space show was set on the same asteroid, but was only vaguely related to the other show. It had a lead hero, and used more macho "Starfire" vehicles rather than the SEEKERs (almost all the time.) His tiny robot, designated "W1K1" was called "Wiki." Sid Haig played the bad guy, and the principal cast included JAMES DOOHAN. It was done in the old "movie serial" format and was usually part of a larger show with cartoons. It was named after the hero and his organization. D) This show aired in the afternoon, and was from Sid & Marty Kroft. It had Chuck Mc Cann and Bob Denver as NASA employees who accidentally fly into space while loading food into a ship. (One of them was told to press "lunch" and he pressed "launch" instead.) The other main character was played by Patty Maloney, actress and dwarf. She played "Honk", an alien who communicated with horn-honk sounds and was usually smarter than the 2 humans. Its forgettable name referenced the distance traveled and the level of sanity exhibited by the 2 human leads. E) This Sid & Marty Kroft show aired in both daytime and Saturday morning slots. It featured Jim Nabors and Ruth Buzzi as 2 androids and their space/time vehicle, unable to return to the present and deposit 2 people from the present back in their correct time. In the process, they visited Earth and Earth colonies in the past and future, in adventures that were heavy-handed social commentaries. (Hey, it was the 70s and that was no surprise.) It was named after the vehicle. F) This Sherwood Schwartz sitcom was a Saturday-morning offering. A teacher sips from the Fountain of Youth, and finds he switches back and forth between his current age and himself at age 12, unpredictably of course, as he seeks a cure. Hilarity ensues. Herbert Edelman and Robbie Rist share the title role. (Yeah, "cousin Oliver" Robbie Rist.)

Saying I'm an HtD FAN is overstating it. I've read it and can recognize some of the characters.

After eliminating many of his roles, I'm left with "Die Hard."

As a psychopath, vpw wanted total control over people. The ability to choose to end lives was sort-of incidental compared to what he really wanted- money, adulation, and women.

An eyewitness reported that his final hours had vpw claim he was trying to figure out where he'd gone wrong, what he'd done wrong that was interfering with his deliverance. The irony of a man who spent DECADES committing crimes and sinning then being unable to locate any moral failings on his own part is probably not lost on most of the posters here. As a youngster, my choices were between "nametag sticker" and "permanent nametag." Obviously, I wanted the latter. I could have gotten one made up, but I waited until I was an Advanced class grad and wore that one.

Ok, here's some old kids shows, all science-fiction in setting, all 70s in origin. Name any one to get the round. A) This post-WW3 Saturday morning offering featured young scientists exploring what's left of Earth in a high-tech RV/lab. It rather prominently featured a functioning JETPACK used during episodes. Filmation did this one, and the nose of this vehicle was used in some other live-action 70s stuff they did. B) This space show also appeared on Saturday mornings. Set in the future, it took place on an asteroid, and had young scientists learning about the universe. Their "SEEKER" vehicles had a nose that Filmation used in some other work they did around that time. Jonathan Harris and Brian Tochi were part of the principal cast, and acted alongside the robot "Peepo." "ORACO!" ("Orders Received And Carried Out.") C) This Saturday morning space show was set on the same asteroid, but was only vaguely related to the other show. It had a lead hero, and used more macho "Starfire" vehicles rather than the SEEKERs (almost all the time.) His tiny robot, designated "W1K1" was called "Wiki." Sid Haig played the bad guy, and the principal cast included JAMES DOOHAN. It was done in the old "movie serial" format and was usually part of a larger show with cartoons. D) This show aired in the afternoon, and was NOT a Filmation show. It had Chuck Mc Cann and Bob Denver as NASA employees who accidentally fly into space while loading food into a ship. (One of them was told to press "lunch" and he pressed "launch" instead.) The other main character was played by Patty Maloney, actress and dwarf. She played "Honk", an alien who communicated with horn-honk sounds and was usually smarter than the 2 humans.

Is it "the Da Vinci Code" then?

I refuse to confirm or deny that "Beverly Switzler" was any kind of clue to me. However, I suspected that the Caroline you named was that Caroline (once I started typing, but before hitting "reply.")

The art's an interesting clue. "Night at the Museum"????

Was that Lea Thompson?

Those books were so poorly-researched, reading them while in twi promoted staying in twi! "If that's the best the detractors can come up with, then twi's doing fine!" They stopped at silly or meaningless complaints and never found anything REALLY worth objecting to-which did exist. After the top 2 spots, everything else was really small potatoes, as society goes. So 3-5 together weren't worth worrying about. There's always been people ready to panic about the next fad to destroy society. So far, it's been destroyed by television, rock and roll music, comic books, and Dungeons and Dragons before I stopped keeping track. Their panics all started with a real concern, then were blown wildly out of proportion. Might as well have said that one pool table would equal the moral corruption of our children. Even if you're completely right, that has nothing to do with various manufactured moral panics. If you ever stumble upon any legitimate scheme of his, nobody will believe you. You've squandered your credibility endorsing too many silly panics and dismissing too many legitimate concerns. Any system that regularly produces more "false positives" than correct hits is defective and disregarded. I think twi served his purposes nicely. vpw diverted some of the House of Acts Christian hippies, and turned them from preaching to salesmen for twi. That's a net gain for satan. twi also provided a vehicle to teach that fornication is ok under certain circumstances and God is cool with it. twi also provided victims for rapists-who raped them. So, satan would be concerned about twi- and be very interested in making sure they kept up his work! They could preach all they wanted from the pulpit, but in action, they served him quite a bit. A) As has been pointed out, this is another supposed comparison putting Jesus in the same sentence and category as vpw. I'm insulted for my Lord to be placed in such company. B) The Pharisees didn't think Jesus was a crappy writer. The Pharisees didn't think Jesus was a joke. They went out of their way to try to discredit him. Their attempts to outsmart him failed spectacularly, whether it was trying to get him to object to paying taxes, or to get him to repudiate the Mosaic Law penalties. In each case, he demonstrated wisdom they were unable to match. Considering the lengths to which they ended up going in order to have him arrested and tried, it should be clear to everyone honest that they really put forth their best efforts to take him out. The Pharisees took Jesus very, very seriously. C) vpw was never scholarly. He deliberately steered as far away from "scholarly" as possible, especially when he majored in "Homiletics", the SOFTEST option available and he was able to succeed based on a gift of gab over genuine scholarship. Further, if he actually liked academics, he would have done his own work and NOT based it all on plagiarism and copying things over without stopping to understand them first. Furthermore, you NEVER saw him actually WRITE ANYTHING. He gabbed into tape recorders. Later, other people transcribed, and where necessary, they made corrections or deleted when his discourses were too error-ridden to be corrected when typing. And what he DID say was often based on plagiarizing others, That's why he has no consistent style for "his" books- they were plagiarized from different people with different vocabularies. No, but a lack of understanding how natural knowledge works leads to a lack of understanding of how spiritual knowledge works since we build our knowledge of what we learn now on the foundation of what we learned before. If we built it upon ignorance, the foundation is shaky. In any one book, the style was "consistent." From book to book, it varied widely. There was no need to "coach" him-just to "coach" the people actually doing the writing. THEY had a decent command of the English language- and their style went up as greater talents were available. That's why JCOPS and JCOP have a much more effective writing style than books like the Orange Book. And he made plenty of errors, as has been documented here beyond any REASONABLE doubt. Often, he spoke at great length about something- and was completely wrong about it. He made a nice-SOUNDING discourse on the difference between "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God." Meanwhile, the terms are Biblically interchangeable- which is why they were used interchangeably. If you think vpw HIMSELF had a good command of English, again, you need to get out more. Yeah-a manic sales force was in effect talking the thing up as the greatest invention since sliced bread. So, students were surrounded by people telling them how fantastic this class was. Trying to be honest and say it wasn't, was difficult in the face of so much peer pressure. Furthermore, the rates of completion of Session 12 let alone retention past 6 months fell far short of your imagination. When I took "the class", we had 7 students signed up, and 3 of us finished session 12. So, more than 1/2 the class dropped out, despite there being no way to truly "fail" the class. I didn't see dropout rates like this at college for teachers that were HATED. We can see they must have done something WRONG.

It's nice to see the other side of the story on this one, finally. See, regarding the setup of '89 vs '88, Raf and I were told, about '88, that the setup was done "in half the time with half the people." The context given was the claim that the people who left were contentious and made the place chaotic, so that the few remaining had an EASIER job doing the setup since it was harmonious. So, that was a HUGE lie- 1/2 the people managed it by working at least twice as hard. This whole "it's more harmonious" thing was a bunch of hot air. Naturally, the guy who told us this was being promoted from worker bee to a big position despite having little twi experience. He WAS, however, incredibly loyal. And not afraid to lie, apparently. lcm would think every whim of his came directly from God Almighty. lcm decided, all on his own, that his incoherent, inferior class called WAP (Way of Abundance and Power) would be a hot seller if there were more people to advertise it. So, he decided to get more people advertising it by making all the corps into SALARIED, FULL-TIME workers for twi. IF that had been the answer, it might have paid for itself by bringing in lots of new tuitions, then new tithes, new "abundant sharings" and new "plurality givings". However, nobody could get anyone interested in wap, so the salaried corps often ended up being busy-bodies and snooping into the lives of others. Eventually, the expenses of paying for all these ROA attendees and their transit, when normally they paid their own transit and paid twi for ROA attendance, that killed both the "full-time corps" thing AND what was left of the ROA, as you showed.

(snip) (snip) We've discussed it in the past. I just recapped your answer in a new thread in Doctrinal. If you want to discuss it more, that's the thread to use, if there's anything you'd want to discuss about it.

KJV: "Luke 1:41 "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" Luke 1:44 "For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy." (Greek word 'brephos', which is also rendered "infant" or "young child" elsewhere.) John was not born yet, but he was considered a babe/baby. What month was he at? Well, according to Gabriel, 6 months. Luke 1:36. "And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren." So, John the Baptist, at 6 months if not sooner, was considered a baby, which is some 3 months before "first breath" on the average. That's "sometime before nine months". Further, at 6 months, there was some specificity in that he responded to Mary, and his response somehow indicated a distinction between normal fetal movement and this SPECIFIC reaction. That was in Luke 1:41, as description, and NOT simply a report of Elizabeth's opinion. I expect there's any number of women who've carried a baby for the usual 9 months who could attest to them reacting to stimuli and expressing approval or disapproval in the last trimester. ============================= So, what do we know? We know that, sometime before they take their first breath, they are a baby. We know that, sometime before 9 months, they are a baby. We know that, at the 6th month, they are a baby. We do NOT know if that is the beginning of them being called a baby, or if there's some timeframe before that where the term begins to be applied. We know that a baby is capable of responding to stimuli in the last trimester and is capable of having EMOTIONS (like "joy".) We do not know when that begins, but we know it applies in the last trimester. That's hardly the precise, unambiguous answer we modern folk would like, but it is certainly informative, and it definitely contradicts what vpw/twi said/say. Even so, some people will refuse to see it no matter what BECAUSE vpw taught one thing, so the Bible is not allowed to contradict vpw no matter what.