WordWolf

It was interesting to see what vpw said about David, Nathan and Bathsheba. vpw said that what David did to URIAH was wrong. He said that David's actions concerning adultery, forced sex with Bathsheba (he "TOOK HER" as the Bible says) (she had no literal ability to refuse him so any "consent" would be considered INVALID in any fair court-yet there was no mention of her consenting in any verse), and the murder or Uriah to cover his tracks was "OFF THE BALL." In the Bible, the same was "DOING EVIL." What vpw said David did to Bathsheba was "FOOLING AROUND". The Bible said David "TOOK HER". vpw said he "FOOLED AROUND"- and he used the Nathan-David-Bathsheba incident as a specific example of "RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD." vpw (Orange Book chapter 6: "There are many examples of correction in the Bible. Take David, for instance. David was off the ball. He found beautiful Bathsheba and then had her husband shot while in the front lines of battle so that he, David, could have Bathsheba as his wife. A few people knew about the sequence of events leading to David’s marriage, but nobody had a right to say any- thing because David was king and every woman in the kingdom was technically the property of the king or belonged to the king." ============================== Mike may creatively reinterpret what vpw meant, but vpw was rather clear that "TECHNICALLY" didn't mean this was "de facto" and not "de jure" (illegal but he was able to do so because nobody had the power to stop him from breaking the law), but that this was a LEGAL RIGHT of David's - "NOBODY HAD A RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING". If David broke the law, then people had a LEGAL RIGHT to say so (to say nothing of the obligation to uphold the law.) vpw considered the CITIZENS of Israel to be the SLAVES, the CHATTEL of the King- "every woman in the kingdom was technically the property of the king or belonged to the klng." In case "belonged to the king" was unclear, he doubled down and said they were "PROPERTY". Now, someone can come along later and say that the clear words here- "belonged to" "property" "nobody had a right" - mean something completely different than what they say. Doesn't mean they're correct or that reality changes to match their wishes that the book had said something else.

But you recognize Edgar Bergen? He was in this movie, as was Charlie. It was their very last film. Come on....

In fact, it's less than a decade old. (Obviously, its sequel is less than a decade old, also.)

It's good to bring this up again periodically. People who are real pfal fans always seem ready to excuse vpw of any of his immoral and illegal acts in the process. Sometimes they say they don't make a big deal about the man, other times they're more honest about it. And it's never people who spent a lot of personal time with him who say that. They either never met him, or were introduced in passing...so it's easy to invent a vpw who isn't based on reality who is worthy of respect, and thus, respected.

It's amazing what gets conflated, so I'll point it out. A) "The Football Captain always gets his choice of the cheerleaders." The women go for the guy who has one or more of the following: looks, money, popularity, From them, he can select among those he finds most favorable from: looks, popularity. (The system points to that and not to other selectors. Which selectors are GOOD selectors are a whole discussion.) So, the teenage women make freewill choices who to make themselves approachable towards (or approach them), and the teenage men make freewill choices who to approach (or be available to approach.) The "problem" here is that the "top" of both indices pair off (the first string athletes with the first-string cheerleaders.) That's actually sensible. But those who are left out can be troubled by it. It's reality- wealth and other factors are inherited and not distributed by merit. But the adolescents all made their own decisions. They could easily choose someone not on the other index based on their own reasons or even a whim. All legal, all acceptable, all of it not immoral. B) King David ruling Israel under the Mosaic Law- which stressed fidelity in marriage and had NO clause permitting otherwise, even for a King. He chose to break his own law and exert his unequal power over a married woman and had an affair with her. We know nothing about her state of mind, but we know he had the power to break the law at will and have her forced to "cooperate." He even had the power to have her husband killed and make it look like an accident- and he did. She was not free to make a choice there no matter what she actually thought or felt. King David operated outside The Law, and acted immorally. And yet, someone claimed that "TECHNICALLY" this was all right. It was not-it was illegal. The only explanation as to why someone thought it would be legal was someone claiming that "TECHNICALLY" "all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king." However, that was a notion contrary to Scripture- thus the absence of verses supporting that bald claim. The idea that powerful people in Hollywood can rape and molest and get away with it goes along with that sort of justification- yet it's illegal in the US just as it's illegal under the Mosaic Law. That has nothing to do with teenagers choosing who to date.

There were only 2 Danny Ocean's. Mrs Wolf and I watched the original "Oceans 11" together, and since she's a Sinatra fan, I figured you wouldn't try to slip him past me. (Especially since I named some of his roles previously and might recognize the names later.) The other was George Clooney. When it came to "Gecko", I was thinking Gordon and Wall Street, not the Gecko brothers (I thought of them after I hit "send".) They, of course, were the criminals trying to stay alive "From Dusk til Dawn."

Nobody there was in archived footage or anything. Everybody showed up to work for filming. And that last set of actors...most of them should tell you something. Except for Durning, they're all known for something very specific-except for Caroll Spinney, and he's known for one character he's played/dressed up as for freaking forever.

This movie was not obscure, and is not old.

This movie neither relied on neither cartoon characters, nor animation nor CGI for their characters. So that leaves....

That leaves 2 possibilities.... was this GEORGE CLOONEY?

I'm working on the title. I have the artist. BTW, did you hear they named a marine animal after this band in the past year or so?

No, seriously. Reality shows where people brought machines into an arena, and sometimes brought them out in pieces.

"I've had an odd life. I was supremely interested in the doctrine and had zero interest in the hierarchy and administration. I'd tolerate them, but it was the ideas I was after. The same doctrines that blessed my oddly insulated life were mixed with all kinds of stuff (cough) in the administration world of TWI. " That's a REALLY sanitized way of saying what the rest of us have been saying here for DECADES. NONE of us wanted "hierarchy and administration." vpw insisted on it and forced it upon the group after the hippies grew the numbers up. (They had done their job and brought him the numbers, so now they weren't needed and it was time to apply the hierarchy and administration vpw was waiting to inflict on everyone. vpw designed twi that way. What we rejected was part and parcel of what vpw FORCED upon the group.

"If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were reciting some sort of important plot point." "I hope so. Otherwise I would've bored half the audience half to death." "You mean half the audience is still alive?" "I'm being held captive by these weirdos!" "Now you know how we've felt for the last forty years." "You give people the greatest gift that can ever be given!" "Children?" "No, the OTHER gift." "Ice cream?" "No, no, after that..." "Laughter?" "YES! The THIRD greatest gift ever!" " "Are you one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? "Yes I am!" "We found a celebrity! Jack Black has graciously agreed to host the show for us." "That's great! Where is he?" "In the trunk." "Remember when the stage caved in while you were rocking out? Who’d have thought your smorgasbord would be hard to live without? If we could do it all again, just another chance to entertain Would anybody watch or even care? Or did something break we cant repair? Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope. They may have been un'bear'able- but I still loved your jokes. Is there more I could have said? Now they’re only pictures in my head." "Wow, that was an expensive looking explosion! I can't believe we had that in the budget. " "...and then, when he thought they were alone, he said, "There's oil under this theater, see! I'm gonna tear it to the ground, see! Sweet, sweet oil, see!" "People still talk like that?" "Maybe that's just how he sounded in my head." "Listen everybody, we've got nothing to be ashamed of. And you know why? Well because, thanks to Walter here we tried. And if we failed, we failed together and to me that's not failing at all. And I don't care what anybody says, I don't care if no one believes in us because... I believe. I believe in you. And you. And you. You know what's important isn't this building or name, it's each other. So I say fine, let's just start from the bottom and work our way back up to the top. Let's all walk out through these doors with our heads held up high, as a family because that's what we are. " "You're my hero. You're on my watch."

Dom de Luise James Coburrn Paul Williams Madeline Kahn Telly Savalas Carol Kane Milton Berle Elliott Gould Bob Hope Richard Pryor Steve Martin Mel Brooks Cloris Leachman Orson Welles Charles Durning Edgar Bergen Caroll Spinney Jerry Nelson Richard Hunt Dave Goelz

Next question. There have been a few television shows where builders brought in robots and had them fight each other. Name any. (Name more for bragging rights, and overseas shows count.)

*thinks* I think what may have happened, is that I missed the original airing of the "Happy Days" episode, and only saw it when it aired directly leading into the series premier of "Mork And Mindy." If that's the first time I saw it, then I'd remember it as the original airing when it was the first one I saw, not the first time it aired.

I'm confident the regular players (except yourself) have no idea on this one. If you posted the entire song we'd miss it.

Taking a guess here, Charlie Sheen?

BTW, his calling himself "THE TEACHER" began YEARS EARLIER with that cheap film class he did before pfal. We never heard much about it, but he called the series "THE TEACHER." Yes, he was the only one teaching it.

Let's take the first 2, since we have something about them. A) Jesus said he couldn't do anything of himself. Nevertheless, his healings made the news and got crowds looking for healing, and other crowds wanted miraculous bread and fish after the loaves and fishes incident. He was also introduced by the biggest prophet of his time, John the Baptizer. B) Paul called himself LEAST of all the apostles, and worked a secular job to avoid causing problems if people complained he was living off the ministry. You mentioned Moses separately, the man who was "MEEK" over all the Earth, the man who begged God Almighty to send ANYONE ELSE rather than himself. Self-referential? Of that group, possibly The Son of God qualifies, but he's The Son of God. He STILL said he could do nothing of himself. Knowledge PUFFS up, God's love BUILDS up. I think of the difference between a building (built up) and a giant balloon SHAPED like a building (puffed up, puffed full of air.) They can look similar to an unobservant bystander, but the differences are dramatic. Something built up is SOLID. Something puffed up collapses with the first hit.

The "comedy" part is corrrect. The many cameos is correct (no duh.) Otherwise, I think you're really off-track.

You can do it, George. Work through the quotes. You have a lot there. This is a movie. There's a lot of clues in some of the quotes. There's 5 clues in the last quote alone- which, BTW, is a song in the movie (and thus the soundtrack.) I know you can figure this out on your own.