WordWolf

LF might, but according to his WIkipedia page, he died in 1993. Someone here might know something about such a book.

Keep in mind that a lot of twi survivors don't post here anymore! One way or another, they get on with their lives. (Some form little vpw/pfal appreciation societies that get smaller every year, some get involved in local churches or pray with their families, etc.) Not everyone exposed to vpw and twi ends up burning their Bibles or whatever. Also, many of us who still post are younger than you, although few of us indeed qualify as "young." :) So, your generation's mostly checking in here sporadically or not at all. However, I consider those who moved on to be GSC success stories BECAUSE they moved on.

J1m D00p passed away in 2006. As of last year, Steve (and Sandi) were living in Santa Rosa, CA. If you want to look for them, I'd start there.

I wouldn't say you CAN'T listen to the mp3's. I'd be cautious because he spoke such error in one breath and the opposite in the next. There's plenty of Christians out there. Personally, I'm doubly suspicious about every Christian who still reveres vpw. vpw once claimed that God Almighty spoke to him aloud decades before, and said that He (God) would teach him (vpw) God's Word like it hadn't been known since the 1st Century AD if he (vpw) would teach it to others, and confirmed it with an instant blizzard. (One account, the blizzard was the same day, the other account, it was the next day. One account, the sky was black in the blizzard, in the other account, it was a white-out.) This account has been discredited for several reasons, starting with the 1st Century claim and continuing through his teachings diverging wildly FROM the Book of Acts and so on. There's still people who quote it, however. These people say to themselves "Well, since I've heard some good Bible, vpw must have told the complete truth and I HAVE TO trust him 100%- to say otherwise is to discard the entire Bible." When you find these people, RUN AWAY! Many posters (and more ex-posters) still believe God- but a large number have become non-Christians with many or most becoming atheists or agnostics. After being exposed to vpw, I can understand that as a possible consequence. God has had many loyal servants- and some people whose actions make them his enemies. IMHO, vpw did more to make an enemy of God than probably every agnostic out there, and at least many of the atheists. BTW, feel free to remain and read and post. But don't be surprised that many posters are non-Christians and will tell you so.

"Houston, we have a problem."

Actually, when he said God Almighty was fine with orgies, I think that was an original thought. That was when he tried to get a disgusted J1m D00p to tell him about what orgies were like- and D00p said he was thankful to be free of all that. vpw said it was all "available", and that God would have used different words in the Bible if He meant we weren't supposed to mess around with women. He also said (in private) that it was better to have an abortion than leave one his his programs because 1) you "vowed a vow unto the Lord", and 2) he said that the baby wasn't an actual person until delivered and they took their first breath. (A Scripture check showed the last trimester kid is called a "baby" in Scripture and it is said to respond-none of which should surprise any woman who's delivered a baby.) So, it was how he justified recommending ABORTIONS if the alternative was missing out on all that tuition from the woman. Don't forget his motto when addressing Corps students- "You can stay as long as your money holds!"- as his successor, LCM, personally documented while writing his paean to the memory of VPW. I don't think he had an original thought THAT WOULDN'T DISGUST GOD ALMIGHTY. That's an important distinction.

*wades through several pages of personal testimony that had nothing to do with TWI but with God and the Jesus People* God bless. You really should have put this in a section relevant to it, either "New Members" or "My Story." People expect biographies in those. It's really not relevant to this thread. Concerning the second post..... The short of it, from someone who's spent decadeS going over historical records from all sides and personal accounts from all sides, is that vpw was a man who could deliver a convincing sermon- but any good actor could deliver a convincing sermon. The content of the sermons were plagiarized from REAL men of God- people he did not credit. He would plagiarize their material and claim he received it by revelation from God Almighty. Nearly everything wholesome he ever said has been tracked from older sources he rarely credited, or were supplied later when there was a Research Department who could "do the heavy lifting." This man had a bland ministry with bland material- until he found better sources to plagiarize. When he plagiarized BG Leonard's classes and JE Stiles' book on the Holy Spirit, his ministry began to show more success. He added work from EW Bullinger and EW Kenyon and found out about the Jesus People. He went over to them, convinced some that he was a genuine minister, then subverted them from working for God to working for him and promoting the PFAL class. Almost everyone who ever logged in here who HAS taken PFAL can trace their "lineage" from a handful of Jesus People (one who taught someone else, who taught someone else...etc until that last person heard.) VPW made up accounts of things that he claimed happened- he dreamed up imaginary snowstorms decades after they happened, never imagining the internet would make it possible to check the weather reports of bygone decades. He claimed-often-that he was getting direct revelation for things that were later traced directly to a Christian writer or some obscure source (like the John Birch Society). He was a chain-smoker who drank alcohol daily (and often each day.) He set up a rather elaborate network that allowed him to target young women he molested, raped, or drugged THEN molested or raped. He himself admitted that he was a minister on a church payroll for about 2 years before he ever believed the Bible was The Word of God despite preaching weekly sermons ON that Bible. The time would fail for me to tell of all his felonies, his deceptions, his sins, and so on. He cultivated a public persona that was SO pious, and in private taught that you could do whatever you wanted and it was OK with God (the same things he was teaching publickly were totally wrong, in fact.) The disconnect was so complete between the 2 that it is difficult for people who NEVER met him, often, to accept that the same man who taught ONE thing on tape would say and do the exact OPPOSITE in private. However, we have eyewitnesses and his PERSONAL victims who have stepped forward. The man was brilliant at being a fraud. He spoke God's Word, but so did Balaam's @$$, and I'm not going to revere THAT, either. He also spoke horrible error. When his sources made mistakes, he made them lockstep behind them. He also taught the "Word-Faith" thing, where you can believe things into happening, or fear them into happening. This meant he blamed people who were unable to obtain deliverance-it was "their fault" since it was always "available." And he himself died of cancer. After decades of giving into his vices as well as raping God's women, he actually told someone, in his final hours, that he was searching through his memory, trying to find some single thing he'd done that displeased God and was interfering with his healing. We could go on all day. But "his" ministry was organized to ALWAYS turn a profit, and lacked the support measures common sense would require of them-those would cost money. The only actual "professional" training in his organization wasn't counseling or anything, but Dale Carnegie SALES training-which shows his priorities. Help people? No,. Sell his classes and collect 10% of the income of more people? Yes...and he didn't even pay the licensing fee. A grad of the Carnegie program plagiarized the material to save the cost of licensing the thing-which is a felony, and he knew that. And so on, and so on. Myself, I think the men who WERE of God included those he plagiarized, and those Jesus People he stole from God. Himself, no. His "god" was his own lusts..and this is coming from someone who once bought into vpw's illusions when he was young and naive.

Yes. Reggie Hammond was from "48 Hours." Chandler Jarrell was from "the Golden Child." Senator Jeff Johnson was "the name you know" in "the Distinguished Gentleman." Thurgood Stubbs was The Super in "the PJs." And so on, and so on.

Lieutenant T.M. Landry Chandler Jarrell Vernest "Quick" Brown Marcus Graham Inspector Scott Roper Rayford "Ray" Gibson Senator Thomas Jefferson "Jeff" Johnson Maximillian Kit Ramsey Officer Trey Sellars Kelly Robinson Rex Crater Henry Church Jack Mc Call Evan Danielson James "Thunder' Early Jim Evers Charlie Hinton Thurgood Orental Stubbs Reggie Hammond Randy Watson

Lieutenant T.M. Landry Chandler Jarrell Vernest "Quick" Brown Marcus Graham Inspector Scott Roper Rayford "Ray" Gibson Thomas Jefferson Johnson Maximillian Kit Ramsey Officer Trey Sellers Kelly Robinson Rex Crater

No one is like a box of chocolates? More likely, only Forrest Gump is. "Let me tell you, being an idiot is no box of chocolates."- the opening line of the book "Forrest Gump."

Since that site's down, the curious can read the content that was archived, here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140305053351/http://ex-ces.faithweb.com:80/index.html

SHREK TWO. Free post, everybody. Anyone with an idea can go now!

*slaps forehead* I would have gotten the other quote that mentioned "homo sapiens" if I'd checked in. Darn.

Those last 2 lines sound familiar, but that's all I have so far. The previous song, I'd never heard of it, let alone heard it.

Usually I'm the last one to get media news because I'm no longer following it on the radio/television/newspapers like I used to-and even I knew about this from months ago. In fact, I thought I heard it from you among others, George!

I have a LOT of M's AOS to catch up on. It goes in the mental pile with "Elementary", and the Marvel Netflix stories (Daredevil, Iron Fist, etc.)

What's LMD? Vigilante's main job was to get people to wait for Adrian Chase to be revealed as Vigilante instead of as "Prometheus." It made sense for Vigilante to ask to cover up Detective Billy Malone's death, but not for Prometheus, so bad writing helped maintain his cover. Once Prometheus was unmasked, the writers either forgot about him or ran out of ideas for him. Right now, Rory Regan (Ragman) and Vigilante are both off the story radar, as is Roy Harper (Arsenal) and Ted Grant (Wildcat.)

I'm waiting to hear who he is. Ralph Dibny was one of the people who was reported dead in the initial STAR Labs reactor event. Will this guy be someone else, was his death report a hoax, or did he tear himself free of his grave when his powers kicked in?

Ok, closing out the rest of the round. George was correct about C being "The Patridge Family 2200 AD." Raf was correct about A being "Gilligan's Planet." The live-action show whose ensemble was sent into time was "The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang." Fonzie, Richie and his friends, and Fonzie's cute pet sidekick Mr Cool end up on a space/timeship. Fonzie's mojo can fix the damaged ship- and does- but then the pilot loses them in time. So, she's part of the cartoon's cast as well. Either of you takes the round.

"Cherry picking", or "Counting the hits and ignoring the misses." When a person believes they will be successful, REALLY believes it, and they're a tremendous flop and a cipher, nobody hears about it and nobody cares. That happens A LOT. When a person believes they will be successful and is-or announces after becoming successful that it was because they "always believed they'd be", then it's counted as "proof" that believing does that. All the other people were "proof" it doesn't. Any guess how many people are supremely confident they will win this week's lottery and turn out not to win it? I bet there's a LOT more of them than people who hit it.

What little I DID attend, I liked in spite of the keynote teachings. Really. I liked everything else we did, and the nightly things were all right. Then again, I stayed in an air-conditioned R/V, and don't know what was the appeal of a tent (still don't, to this day.) There was food available of different types, there were things going on of different types, different groups were teaching and entertaining, and a lot of it was off-the-cuff. I also liked people selling their own music tapes and so on. So, other than shopping at the bookstore, and the advantage of an air-conditioned auditorium building, it was an event I enjoyed in spite of the nightly spectacle. The other attendees were fun.

" What about my Miranda rights? You're supposed to say, "You have the right to remain silent." Nobody said I have the right to remain silent!" "Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity." "Look, she's not seeing any clients today. Okay? "That's okay, buddy. We're from the union." "The union?" " Head 'em up, Head 'em up, Move 'em on, Move 'em on, Head 'em up, Rawhide! Line 'em up, Move 'em on, Head 'em up, Head 'em up, Move 'em on, Rawhide! Knock 'em out, Pound 'em dead, Make 'em tea, Buy 'em drinks, Meet their mommas, Milk 'em hard, RAWHIDE! YEE-HAW! " "TGIF, eh, buddy? Workin' hard or hardly workin', eh Mac?" "Thank you, gentlemen! Someday, I will repay you. Unless, of course, I can't find you or if I forget." "I hate Mondays." "The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom..." "Bet my bottom??" "...I'm coming Elizabeth!" " Be... good." "It's gonna be champagne wishes and caviar dreams from now on!" "Oh, you got a puppy? All I got in my room was shampoo!" "All right, let's crash this party!" "Are we there yet? " "For five minutes, could you not be yourself? FOR FIVE MINUTES?! "Let's not sit here with our tummies rumbling. Everybody dig in." "Don't mind if I do, Lillian!" "Do you still know the Muffin Man?" "Sure, he's down on Drury Lane. Why?" "Because we're going to need flour. Lots and lots of flour." "I say we take the sword and neuter him right here. Give him the Bob Barker treatment!" " I'm sorry, Lillian. I just wish I could be the man you deserve." "I don't care whose fault this was, just get this place cleaned up! And could someone please bring me something deep fat fried and smothered in chocolate! " "Today, I repay my debt... EN GARDE!" "Hey! Isn't we supposed to be having a fiesta?" "Where is he Mum? I shall render his head from his shoulders! I will smite him where he stands! HE WILL RUE THE VERY DAY HE STOLE MY KINGDOM AWAY FROM ME!" "Oh, put it away, Junior! You're still going to be King. We just need to work out something smarter, that's all. " "Thumbelina, no! Hansel and Gretel, no! The Golden Bird, the Little Mermaid, Pretty Woman... no, no, no, no, NO!" "There's just one problem - that's not my husband. I mean, look at him!" "Yes, he is a bit different, but people do change for the ones they love - you'd be surprised how much I changed for your mother... " "*Change*? He's completely lost his mind!" "Oh, no! That's the old Keeblers place! Let's just walk away slowly. "

chockfull, on the "Cheapness" thread, page 4. =========================================== "So you know Way ministry, you were right and you were wrong about Burn the Chaff. You were right about the concept. It is nice to travel light. In modern times this concept has gained ground under a different name. Minimalism. But you as usual were wrong about the execution of it. That's because you, Way ministry, are The Chaff."

For those who want to reread "the Passing of the Patriarch", it's archived here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20150119085659/http://www.greasespotcafe.com:80/main2/waydale/waydale-miscellaneous/passing-of-the-patriarch.html