WordWolf

Actually, I've gotten the impression that it's a lot more blatant and up-front for the last decade or so. That's part of Rosilla's legacy with twi.

Now that I'm trying to look at the complete picture..... In pfal, we were told that there were keys to "have the Word interpret itself." The idea was to enable us to read the Bible and understand it. It SOUNDED like the goal was to produce autonomous Bible students and Bible teachers. In practice, on the field, NOBODY at any level higher than "twig coordinator" wanted that of anyone lower than that. What they wanted was us to reread twi materials, and teach from that. It's blatant and now they all but say it outright. Back then, it wasn't said outright under normal circumstances. But I DO remember a certain Territory Coordinator who was scared of the idea of people getting together to read the Bible, and getting together to actually do their own work and present it. His counter-suggestion was to have them all get together and read twi publications instead. And this was someone who was either preparing to jump ship or was already canned and working entirely outside of twi Inc. So, it was all set up to make twi'ers entirely dependent upon twi- for understanding the Bible, for making major decisions, etc. That was the goal for EVERYONE, and EVERY level.

(That Vince Vaughn sure gets around. He was linked twice in this page so far. I could have linked illegally for a 3rd movie.)

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Thanks for clearing all that up. I haven't seen that since the original airing. Only 1-2 moments stick with me, like the "Mousie...." scene, and the end of the first movie, with the Holocaust survivor telling/showing the kids how to resist. That and their first appearance where they step out and put on the Chilean miner sunglasses. That's about it. I didn't realize there was a version where the Phantom WAS named. (For all I know, most of them do, but it's news to me.)

Matthew Broderick the Producers Will Farrell

I was so confident nobody would even know Englund played Willie, let alone remember Willie from one name, that I didn't even consider looking him up for inclusion in the list. (Willie was a character in the original "V" and "V-the Final Battle." IIRC, he was the "visitor" who looked for a mouse outdoors where he could have been seen.) So, I didn't connect the name when you mentioned it. So, yes, this was Robert Englund, the man who will always be remembered for playing Freddy Krueger in the "Nightmare on Elm St" franchise.

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Ok, here's who you didn't link.... Brian Blessed, Kenneth Branagh, Billy Crystal, Judi Dench, Gerard Depardieu, John Gielgud, Charlton Heston, Timothy Spall, Robin Williams, Kate Winslet, Richard Attenborough. Now, who am I going to link? Brian Blessed Star Wars Episode I- Phantom Menace (Boss Nass of the Gungans) Natalie Portman

Not any cast member of "Lost" nor anybody you mentioned. No matter what his family name sounds like, the actor was born in and has lived in the US for probably all his life. In fact, he was briefly up for the role of Han Solo and was the guy who told Mark Hamill to get off his (the guy's) couch and go audition for the role of Luke Skywalker!

Well, I hope you're not losing any sleep over it. I did suggest it wasn't going to be that pleasant.

Michael Sutherland Beebo Crozier Erik Destler Anthony Wager Paul Chevalier Bill Gartley Raymond Beaumont Professor Wexler Jackson "Jack" Roth Bernie Garces Erroll Douglas Jack Sampson Felix Faust Dormammu Ray Buxley Dr Stanly Wheelwright Samuel Lee Detective Gassner Jim Bickerman Dr TelAmeriCorp Dr James Aldohn Ernest "Ernie" Trainor Edward Kent Dennis Shothoffer

I'm pretty sure that it means that your SEARCHES are private. However, once you go to another website that is NOT DDG, you're subject to Google's prying. That's why people use CHROMIUM (the system UNDER Chrome) rather than CHROME (the browser that Google signs and uses to track.)

vpw was excellent at that. He completely fooled lcm as well as many others. So, lcm believed vpw got all sorts of revelations every minute of every day, and made all his decisions by revelation. So, when lcm ran the show, he thought that would apply to him as well. lcm was successfully conned, and was totally sincere. So, when he messed up, he did not cover up his tracks. That's why he was caught. vpw knew all along he was running a con, and made a point of covering his tracks. (He had a whole cadre of people to clean up after his attempts to molest or rape young females, for example.) So, vpw was a LOT harder to catch.

If it works for you, great. Keep in mind that Google's tracking you when you're using Chrome. I don't know if that will matter for you.

In the taped/filmed class, he was specific about what he was willing to let everyone hear up front. Some things, you had to be in twi for some time to hear. In the class, vpw said he'd "dedicated his life" to the holy spirit field, and so on. He went so far as to say that God "called" him to it. He never said THERE that God spoke to him audibly, and issued the alleged 1942 "promise." (If vpw would teach it to others, God would teach him His word like it hadn't been known since the First Century, a promise that doesn't even work on paper, which wasn't even told to his wife until DECADES later, a poorly-manufactured "promise.") vpw said that he'd taken all his research books to the down dump ('"the gehenna, where the fires never go out") and started over with his Bible as his guidebook. It was the Orange Book and the White Book that began with claims vpw did all the research himself... although the White Book initially at least REFERRED to Stiles (ANONYMOUSLY) IN PASSING as someone who explained this to vpw, but by the 3rd edition, he was gone and vpw had studied and worked it all out himself. As Karl K and others have pointed out, the lack of citing the sources of the material in all the books that lack them is plagiarism, and illegal (and became felonies in each case once the dollar amount of profit raised them above the level of "misdemeanor"- since even a free plagiarism offering is a crime.) The White Book and the Orange Book use material from Leonard, Stiles, and Bullinger, and there's no proper citation of any of them. The "Studies in Abundant Living" likewise ripped off a number of writers (like Kenyon) and rarely cited them. (IIRC, ONE citation of Kenyon, in the same book he was plagiarized in a different chapter. Raf would remember.) One of the problems with ERRORS in twi/vpw was vpw's claims that "his" work came from God Almighty. This means that some people (not you) have gone around claiming it was INERRANT, and even OBVIOUS errors are UNABLE to actually BE errors. In at least one case, someone has hallucinated out secret messages hidden in them that only he has been able to find- so far- and that it's superior to the Bibles we know because this is modern Divine Revelation and the Bible is older Divine Revelation that no longer reflects the originals (according to him.) The Bibles we have are of varying levels of error and interpolation, depending on whether vpw quoted a particular verse or not. (I kid you not.) With vpw using plagiarism to make himself look like himself was some great one, there's still a few people saying "This man was the great power of God". Simon Magus would have been envious of how long his con has continued to last.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8620360/Selective-memory-does-exist-say-scientists.html This link should work where the link I quoted did not. It's to the same article socks MEANT to link. And, if that link expires, you can try this for the same text.... http://web.archive.org/web/20181011053855/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8620360/Selective-memory-does-exist-say-scientists.html

Ok, this one is going to be a tough one. I'm hoping someone gets it before I post the very last name- which is by far his most famous role and should elicit his name immediately. Michael Sutherland Beebo Crozier Erik Destler Anthony Wager Paul Chevalier Bill Gartley Raymond Beaumont Professor Wexler Jackson "Jack" Roth Bernie Garces Erroll Douglas Jack Sampson

If you ever get a chance, watch Robert Wuhl's two "Assume the Position" 1/2 hour specials about history. One of them has fun with something from John Ford's movie, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence."

.......... ?? I don't think I've seen even one movie with this actor. Jimmy Stewart. (No, not even "It's a Wonderful Life.") But I do know that he "went to Washington" at some point.

Hello. If this was not any form of advertisement, then there's some connection with twi or ex-twi groups with the subject, or at the very least with the original poster. So, since you say this was not, either there's a connection to twi or ex-twi groups with the artist or yourself. Therefore, I ask. Who is E.B. Stowe, and what is his connection with twi or ex-twi groups? Or was the connection with twi or ex-twi groups with yourself?

My internal (GSC) search for him gave me only that thread as well. (I was wondering if he was some ex-member who had done art and was known to some people but not to me, as had happened before with Dave Arnes0n. I still find no connection to twi or ex-twi with this artist. Something like 1/2 the posts on that thread were by people who didn't post here before or after that, on any other thread. That made it look like this was completely unrelated (especially since he put it in "Open", the most off-topic forum), but I wanted to allow for the possibility I missed something. Then this thread came along in the "hello, my name is.." forum and was remarkably curt. It looked to me like an advertisement. So, I gave the benefit of the doubt and posed the question. If the original poster ever replies, perhaps I will learn something. (Or not.) (Oddly enough, StartPage searches don't pop that thread up in the first few pages of results, so it's likely the OP used DDG to find us.)

[I think it's not an exaggeration to say that Mike doesn't trust in God working outside of the vpw or Mikean systems. It's why he invented the Mikean system.]

For those arriving late, this is Mike. He said that when Jesus returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange Book in his hand and will be teaching you from it. He confirmed this was NOT a joke, and that he'd "seen him many times this way." He also has a proven record of rewriting the contents of events at the GSC as well as twi. To be brief, he thinks that "vpw's" books and other reading material have replaced the Bible. Let's see what he's on about today. There’s no way I have the time to get involved in debate here, but I couldn’t help but notice two interesting items are missing here. The first missing item is what did VPW himself say about his use of other people’s material? His words on this topic are conspicuously missing here. Why is that? [That's because it was irrelevant to the discussion. However, I'll humor you in the interest of completeness. Among all the plagiarism where vpw made out that he was working with God Almighty only and nobody else, and places like the introduction to the Orange Book where vpw said exactly that, there was a single book with a single comment made in it. For people who had access to a copy of "the Way-Living in Love", and made it about 200 pages in, there was a passing comment by vpw.] "Nothing I do is original. Putting it together in this format-that was the original part." [That sole statement has been creatively interpreted by a handful of people- all people who insist vpw had a special connection to God Almighty- to mean that vpw was admitting that he was ripping off the work of others. It is nothing of the kind. It is a casual comment, rather vague, about not being original. It said nothing about taking Leonard's work and passing it off as his own, Stiles' work and passing it off as his own, and so on. In fact, vpw took Stiles' book oh the Holy Spirit and retyped it, then rephrased some words in later editions, to conceal that it was plagiarized from Stiles (with Bullinger inserted in the Appendices.) In the first few editions, the intro said that vpw "FOUND" a man who taught hm the Holy Spirit field, and in the later editions, vpw rephrased it so that he and he ALONE figured all this out. It's all a CONSISTENT case of INTENTIONAL plagiarism. vpw definitely did his best to pass off the work of others as his own work. ] I also noticed this crucial information missing EVERY TIME the issue of plagiarism comes up. I think it dampens a lot of theories. [This irrelevant comment has been mentioned many times on this subject- and has been raised by myself more than once. Naturally, Mike never remembers that little detail. It's rewritten, just as what the comment actually MEANS was rewritten. And it "dampens" nothing. There's also no "theories." There's a very clear trail showing vpw plagiarized and did his best to hide his tracks. So, he knew what he was doing was wrong, and did it anyway. For those wondering, we've heard "vpw didn't plagiarize", and "God told him to plagiarize" and a few other little things that a handful of people might actually believe to this day. However, they're dying out of old age. Very few kids are buying this tripe.] Does anyone remember what he said? It’s in print. It was widely distributed, starting in 1972. I’ve posted this item about 10 times here (if not more) since Oldiesman found it around 2003. [It was "widely distributed" in that one book, buried more than 100 pages in. It also was no great "discovery." It was posted, and as many as 4 posters claimed it had significance.] Because I have to limit my time here, so I’ll just leave this item hanging. I’ve written reams on it already. [Mike's definitely written a lot here. When asked, he's never actually GOTTEN TO A POINT. Mike's style is to drop oblique comments, make vague statements, claim he knows more than he's telling, then get offended when either nobody cares, or they get irritated he could spend pages and pages to say he didn't have time to address even ONE direct question. (Lots of time to post filler, not one paragraph of substance.] *** The next conspicuously missing item is B.G. Leonard’s visit to the Rock of Ages 1985. I think it was 1985. I was told about this by a 6th Corps clergy member. What BG told an audience there was that The Way was damned for teaching that SIT was not a gift but a manifestation. [There was an account posted here of someone meeting BGL when he appeared on campus. Leonard flipped out when he heard rock and roll (by Takit) played on campus. He claimed it was the devil's music. ] "This ministry will not stand! It cannot stand! That music is the music of Baal! This ministry is going to fall!" ""Sir! This ministry will fall down because of idolatry, you mark my words!" [More than one person recalled his reaction to that rock music. Absolutely NOTHING was posted about Leonard angry that vpw changed "gift" to "manifestation." That's the kind of ridiculous story that's made up to try to make someone look incompetent or some sort of crank. Here, it looks like someone invented it to try to make Leonard look bad- so they could try to say vpw was better or at least of the same calibre.] In other words, he was angry that VPW did not copy him WELL ENOUGH. [In those few steps, we go from "Leonard thought rock music was the devil's music" to "Leonard objected to minutiae about the class but was fine with it otherwise" to "Leonard was angry vpw didn't rip him off more precisely." That was fast. And we can all see how we got there. Why did we get there? It's all to try to preserve the fable that vpw was a legitimate minister and even more- an exceptional minister. Some people have made that a cornerstone of their lives (a few), and there's no reasoning with them.] Also, him being there at the Rock suggests a much closer relationship between VPW and BG than we are generally aware of. [Steve S@nn invited Leonard , according to accounts. This "much closer relationship" has just been manufactured in front of you.] All of my knowledge of this event came from one person, who is SO much a Gear/Martindale clone that he will no longer talk to me. I’m simply trying to verify what I was told. [Sorry, but there was more than 1 poster who said that, and their accounts agreed. Yours did not. Also, you're not "simply trying to verify". You put forth your claim about this ersatz "relationship" and hoped people would buy it. Let's be honest.] I’m extremely thankful that, although BG was not of the temperament to move his revelations over the globe, VPW was. There was no way BG could have moved the Word with the Hippies. No way. [Leonard was of the temperament to empower existing men of God to make them more effective for God Almighty. He was successful enough that- in pre-internet days- his simple class had gotten international attention (that's how vpw found out- people in the US writing about Leonard.) Leonard didn't think of it as "HIS REVELATIONS" either- which is why he just did the work and didn't focus on getting his name around the world. Frankly, if left alone, Leonard would have kept teaching full-steam, and either a minister he taught would have been sent by God to the hippies, or one of those called by God AMONG the hippies would have taken Leonard's class, and that's all it would have taken. Supposing that Leonard's class was the be-all and end-all you're imagining pfal was.]

Hello. Who is E.B. Stowe, and what is his connection with twi or ex-twi groups?