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Was this "Bull Durham"?

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I suspected the shows were short-lived, but not sure they all died one season in, and I didn't know Summer got around to all of them.

I'll give you "Archie Bunker's Place". but not "Mork and Mindy." Laverne and Shirley were in "Happy Days" before they spun off, IIRC, for a few appearances. but Mork ONLY appeared in his back-door pilot- which ended with him jumping forward in time to "the present" (as of original airing) and Boulder, Colorado from Milwaukee. I may be operating with a much more strict definition of "back-door pilot." (I.e. "Assignment: Earth" was a back-door pilot on "Star Trek (TOS)" and we never saw Gary Seven again on ST:TOS before or after.) For that matter, "Out of the Blue" also had one from "Happy Days"- where Random appears in 1 episode of Happy Days, then vanishes and the new show begins (an odd quirk in airdates meant that the actual appearance in "Happy Days" aired after the show began, but that was accidental.) In other news, who cares, really?

It figures. The fun has to happen while I'm out of town. Mike, nobody's kicking you off the board. You're even invited to play in the games in the "Movies, Music..." forum. (Just try to follow the rules, such as they are.) I think most people here won't begrudge nostalgia, so long as it's phrased a bit diplomatically- and, more to the point, subjectively. (I have some fond memories of time in twi, but I acknowledge that my experiences certainly weren't universal.) I'll honor the bilateral ceasefire and not get into things all over again. I will, however, point out that you're attributing hostility SOLELY to people who are reacting to nostalgia. Most of the reactions are people disagreeing with you, not people just reacting.

Ok, the "it's somewhere in a thread, now go find it" homework thing was classic Mike, so it didn't suprise me. Give a vague answer and some homework, deflect, and change the subject, and later announce that you answered it directly. However, he actually followed up by answering something, which was a real shocker for those who've been watching the same episode of this show over and over. Doesn't mean it was RIGHT, but at least it was something that can be discussed. Now then, there's a few things I like to remember about making claims about how super-special vpw claimed his stuff was. (Not an exclusive or complete list.) 1) vpw was a homiletician. He spent his time at work at the podium with a Bible in his hand, teaching (generally, teaching other people's research from one source or another, as has been documented across his iife.) Sometimes he would set things up. He had a receptive audience in his church and in his ministry. So, who's going to disagree with him? He set things up with that in mind. From time to time, he'd read something from the Bible, announce what it was about (correctly or not but never in doubt), and if it was supposedly something slightly controversial, he would disavow his responsibility for it and claim that any objectors were arguing with God Almighty. "Don't blame me-I didn't write the book!" Obviously, he was saying that the contents were in the Bible, and that he wasn't responsible for the contents of that book- rather, God Almighty was responsible. Much later, someone came along and said "He's saying he didn't write the book- the Orange Book is obviously not his writing, but God Almighty wrote it. Can't you see it? It's so simple!" 2) vpw ripped off the styles of others as well as their substance. If he'd heard any of us do a great teaching, he might later teach it and even ape our speech patterns and vocabulary shamelessly. Was it intentional (it worked for them) or unintentional (I don't understand this but I can regurgitate it as well as they taught it)? So, for example, when Stiles spent several HOURS working with vpw on sit, going over all his objections and doubts, vpw was mentally taking notes. Later, he bought Stiles' book. Between the 2, vpw taught Stiles' words from both forms, both the substance and the style, regurgitating them whether the context was apt or not. , Naturally, Stiles had to tell him things like "If this is really what God wants, then you have to think of this not as my words, but God's words" and other things of that nature. Later, someone came along and said "He obviously means the contents of the book this appeared in contains the words of God Almighty in a direct sense, not just expositing about the Bible. (What's really sad about that was that vpw and Stiles were BOTH wrong. Stiles was very sincere and well-intentioned. In fact, he based his life around it. And, as it turns out, he was wrong. It's sad to really base your life around something that is just plain wrong. 3) vpw was a lazy student, a lazy researcher, and a lazy plagiarist. So, when "he wrote a book", often HE did no such thing. The collaterals of pfal (except the White Book) were others taking vpw's sermons and typing them up and editing them. (The White Book was vpw doing a cut-and-paste on Stiles' book, at least 1 book of Bulliger's, and some of Leonard's work. ) So, when pfal as a class had vpw say "this is a class on keys", the Orange Book reads "this is a book on keys." Why did vpw change his focus, and what's the deeper meaning? Ridiculous questions. Others came along and tried to make sense of his work, and sometimes succeeded. Since they weren't him, they had to make certain assumptions here and there, best guesses, since the other approach meant he'd have to be actively involved with every page- and we know he spent his entire life getting away with as little of that as he could manage. I have to take off for a few days. It's a shame that we finally have something to discuss just as I'm stepping out, but that's life. I'll rejoin the dance at the next song. I bet I won't miss much/

We'll be traveling and so on for the next week. On the bright side, we should be caught up to today when we return...and, naturally, we'll need to catch up on this week at that time...

New episodes are back on? @#$%%^! I have a busy night tonight!

We'd get somewhere in your "proof" if you actually presented your proof. People here have actually been very nice with you overall, compared to last time. If you have some actual substance to present, this is the moment. By the time you return here again, you might be unable to post it due to physical reasons (old-age infirmities or death), so if I were you, I'd remember that the clock is still running, and sit down and articulate what you actually have to offer beyond advertising your product is better than any competitors'.

A) Yes he is. He's not fooling us, but he might fool himself. After all, he's got a long, proud history of creatively rewriting everything that's happened here since he first started posting, so it would be no surprise. B) On the one hand, if he stopped talking to people, he'd get a less-negative reception to his approach. So, people would be more likely to give him an initial hearing. On the other hand, no matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. The most perfect approach doesn't change the substance of what he's selling, which is why even the most pro-vpw people aren't buying it- and some of them would have been willing to drug someone if vpw had asked them to with all his rationalizing.

For those of you whose security settings don't show that hotlink, here's the regular link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yabmXuDN5Zg

Correct! GRU said that line. Your turn. I'm going to be hard to reach for about a week, so don't be surprised if I don't log in Sunday-Sunday or thereabouts.

Taking as a given those in the audience who believe the first (which is not all your audience here, but the rest are taking you even LESS seriously), you have yet to provide a reason to seriously entertain the second ( i.e. your concept that "God inspired vpw"). [You keep declaring it as if it's already been proven, which makes it a LOT harder to take your ideas seriously. If you build on smoke, you lose your serious audience. Again.

You mean, like a handful of Christians from the House of Acts, transplanted from where they were doing the things of God over there, sent to NY to do some of those but especially to hawk twi and pfal? Something like that would run hot for a while, then the bureaucracy they signed up to would cool things down, as milk cools down hot coffee and adulterates it.

Ok, I'm sure there were multiple correct answers. What was I thinking of in each, which were possible correct answers if no others were named? A) "Growing Pains." The Dad. B) "My Wife and Kids." The Dad. C) "Hope And Gloria." - Gloria. Oddly enough, I was thinking of something else, but I found this when I checked. I don't remember what the other one was. D) "Who's The Boss?" -Angela. E) "Perfect Strangers"-Balki.

So, we'll go with "Mad Men" as a correct answer.

These were both by CAKE. "Sheep Go To Heaven" was the more recent one. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xho1o The previous one was "Never There."

Is "Silver Streak" any part of this?

That's ANYBODY. See, Mike's not even totally on-board with the "vpw taught how to understand the Bible better than anyone and God spoke to him" Kool-Aid drinkers because he's too extreme for even them. They'll welcome him around, but they disagree fundamentally on what pfal IS. So, Mike's STILL trying to get a second person to join his church, with the long-term goal of enough people to get a good checker-game going.

Me, I think it's retirement- and lack thereof. They want to jump ship now and secure some kind of nest egg since twi, among other things, won't give them that.

BTW, there's a difference between "we disagreed" and "we didn't notice." In Mike's head-and some of his posts- Mike's said that we disagree because we don't notice what he's noticed. However, we've noticed them and there's usually sensible reasons to come to a different conclusion than Mike has come to. Naturally, the idea that there's sensible reasons to disagree doesn't enter Mike's theology. So, it doesn't enter his posts, and he sounds even MORE condescending as a result.

Ever wonder if he's trying to :"run the clock?" He's had more than 2 decades, all of which has had loads of excuses as to why he hasn't put together a coherent position paper. If he keeps this up, eventually he can stop due to old age, claim he can't do it since he's too old now, and never get around to it. It's the kind of thing someone might do if A) they thought they faced a task impossible for themself (but saying "this is what I believe and why" is not impossible because it's opinions and their reasons) of B) they thought that they had nothing at all, bur were able to conceal that from themself and others if it was never clearly communicated. Then, all the problems can be hand-waved as "poor communication" and "unreceptive audience." (Sound familiar?) It's something to consider.

And if it wasn't for a handful of loving Christians who were already doing the things of God when vpw showed up and recruited them- blunting their mission- we wouldn't think there were any loving people in twi's history at all.

"I'm glad I got in, and I'm glad I got out."- me, many times.

Yes. Gordon Ramsay's "Kitchen Nightmares" plus the Freddy Krueger movie, "Nightmare on Elm Street."