WordWolf

If not, literally, a ventriloquist, who else would OBVIOUSLY make that dedication? Seriously, are you doing this on purpose?

That came out in 1979. Jack Black would have been 10 years old.

Mike: "Has anyone thought through how stupid it would be if I dropped PFAL because of the posts here? The collaterals have worked fine for me all my life. How dumb for me to drop them and then ask for guidance as to what do I replace them with? Think it through. Pretend I repented of PFAL. What would you tell me next? What positives do you all have cooking?" WordWolf: Phrasing it as a FALSE DILEMMA is LAZY THINKING and doesn't absolve you of responsibility to think your own thoughts. Mike: "You could have looked at with a heart, like Rocky did. Second, you misunderstood my reason. It wasn't trying to advance my argument. It was heart. It's a difficult concept to Google well." WordWolf continues: I looked at it with a heart and a brain, as did Rocky. He chose not to call you on the FALSE DILEMMA, I chose to. Neither was incorrect. If you don't want to get called on posting FALSE DILEMMAS, don't post them. I only pointed out the FALSE DILEMMA accomplishes nothing. It seems you're not even aware of doing it. Do you need me to lay it out for you, enable the Help Files?

Phrasing it as a FALSE DILEMMA is LAZY THINKING and doesn't absolve you of responsibility to think your own thoughts.

So, Mike says the women were "practically" the technical property of the ,king rather than "legally" the technical property of the king. Seriously.

1) So, you're saying that all the women were not "legally" the technical property of the king, but they were "practically" the technical property of the king? All of this contorting to keep from admitting vpw was wrong. 2) Any sportscaster is the employee of his organization, and speaks for them in the broadcast. Thus, he's limited to what they'd want him to say and not say. (Step outside those bounds and there's trouble.) So, his "right to free speech" is limited by his legal limitations as defined by his contract, the laws governing broadcast, and so on. He can be sanctioned by his employers, the FCC, and so on, depending on whose rules he broke and how far he broke them. Seriously, all broadcasters of different types know this, and we know this. Why is this news to you? (Because it's part of the system that's used to prop up errors and pretend they're not errors.) 3) The David "incident" (the adultery, murder, coverup and taking of another man's wife) does show people were evil then just as now, but that's not the only lesson to come away with, especially when someone's claiming it's all about how "I'm sorry" made it all better and there weren't long-term consequences. Whitewashing responsibility for sin-and downgrading it from sin- are all part of a system to allow someone to get away with things and get a slap on the wrist if caught- or claim it was all right and get no penalty whatsoever.

Due to eccentricities on how the board software works now, when you hit "save" or whatever, it looks like the message posts out-of-order. Reload the page and it displays where it belongs. The rest of us saw it display after my post. Yes, other Christians consider themselves "superior" Christians, but twi adds more arrogance than non-cults. twi'ers think it's ok to call non-twi'ers all sorts of things like "empties" and from there, it's not hard to consider them worthy of being treated even worse than they treat each other- which is worse than most Christians treat other Christians from other denominations even.

If you weren't in the room when Rivenbark was saying this, you might have missed it completely. If you weren't in twi at the time, or in twi but not in the US at the time, you may have missed this.

If you were around in the Rosa-lie era, this wasn't hard to find when she was doing her court depositions. Naturally, if they were documented, they would have shown up AMONG the court depositions.

Who would dedicate a movie to Edgar Bergen and Charlie Mc Carthy?

I'm not familiar with characters from Yogi Bear named ROWLF and ANIMAL. Who might have rocked out on stage, made smorgasbord, and told unbearable jokes? Whoever this "Animal" is, he had to be told not to drum.

As to the first, there's been teachings (OFF THE RECORD, DON'T WRITE THIS DOWN GUYS WE DON'T WANT THIS TO SHOW UP IN COURT) that it's all right to lie to people who aren't in twi. Since they consider themselves the only REAL Christians, they're perfectly fine with treating others worse than they treat each other. Considering what twi'ers have done to each other, that says a lot.

"Dom de Luise.... James Coburrn .....Paul Williams .....Madeline Kahn ...Telly Savalas....Carol Kane .....Milton Berle ....Elliott Gould .....Bob Hope .....Richard Pryor ....Steve Martin ....Mel Brooks .....Cloris Leachman .....Orson Welles ....Charles Durning ....Edgar Bergen ....Caroll Spinney....Jerry Nelson ....Richard Hunt .....Dave Goelz -One of the most difficult scenes to shoot was the bicycle scene, for obvious technical reasons. -The end credits include a dedication to Edgar Bergen. -The scene playing the banjo and singing while sitting on a log took 5 days to shoot. -Possibly the last movie to include a Studebaker Commander Coupe. -The last song in the movie includes a shot of some 250 characters singing. -Actually, you CAN become a movie star by going to Bombay, India. Going to NYC to try to break into public television is also technically possible, if unlikely.

"[]b] If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were reciting some sort of important plot point." "I hope so. Otherwise I would've bored half the audience half to death." "You mean half the audience is still alive?" "I'm being held captive by these weirdos!" "Now you know how we've felt for the last forty years." "You give people the greatest gift that can ever be given!" "Children?" "No, the OTHER gift." "Ice cream?" "No, no, after that..." "Laughter?" "YES! The THIRD greatest gift ever!" "Are you one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? "Yes I am!" "We found a celebrity! Jack Black has graciously agreed to host the show for us." "That's great! Where is he?" "In the trunk." "Remember when the stage caved in while you were rocking out? Who’d have thought your smorgasbord would be hard to live without? If we could do it all again, just another chance to entertain Would anybody watch or even care? Or did something break we cant repair? Your cannonball trajectory, it always gave me hope. They may have been un'bear'able- but I still loved your jokes. Is there more I could have said? Now they’re only pictures in my head." "Wow, that was an expensive looking explosion! I can't believe we had that in the budget. " "...and then, when he thought they were alone, he said, "There's oil under this theater, see! I'm gonna tear it to the ground, see! Sweet, sweet oil, see!" "People still talk like that?" "Maybe that's just how he sounded in my head." "Listen everybody, we've got nothing to be ashamed of. And you know why? Well because, thanks to Walter here we tried. And if we failed, we failed together and to me that's not failing at all. And I don't care what anybody says, I don't care if no one believes in us because... I believe. I believe in you. And you. And you. You know what's important isn't this building or name, it's each other. So I say fine, let's just start from the bottom and work our way back up to the top. Let's all walk out through these doors with our heads held up high, as a family because that's what we are. " "You're my hero. You're on my watch."[/b] "How come you didn't use me in the montage? I thought my story was pretty interesting." "Rowlf?" "Huh?" "You wanna get back together?" "Okay." "Heh heh. Classic." "I don't think they use the studios for anything but tours anymore." "I think that's just an Internet rumor, like, "There's a country called Turkey!"" "Walter, how many times do we have to go through this? Turkey is a real place!" "Go, Animal! Be free! But, remember, no drumming!" ======================================= After this, I have to get obscenely obvious.

It was interesting to see what vpw said about David, Nathan and Bathsheba. vpw said that what David did to URIAH was wrong. He said that David's actions concerning adultery, forced sex with Bathsheba (he "TOOK HER" as the Bible says) (she had no literal ability to refuse him so any "consent" would be considered INVALID in any fair court-yet there was no mention of her consenting in any verse), and the murder or Uriah to cover his tracks was "OFF THE BALL." In the Bible, the same was "DOING EVIL." What vpw said David did to Bathsheba was "FOOLING AROUND". The Bible said David "TOOK HER". vpw said he "FOOLED AROUND"- and he used the Nathan-David-Bathsheba incident as a specific example of "RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD." vpw (Orange Book chapter 6: "There are many examples of correction in the Bible. Take David, for instance. David was off the ball. He found beautiful Bathsheba and then had her husband shot while in the front lines of battle so that he, David, could have Bathsheba as his wife. A few people knew about the sequence of events leading to David’s marriage, but nobody had a right to say any- thing because David was king and every woman in the kingdom was technically the property of the king or belonged to the king." ============================== Mike may creatively reinterpret what vpw meant, but vpw was rather clear that "TECHNICALLY" didn't mean this was "de facto" and not "de jure" (illegal but he was able to do so because nobody had the power to stop him from breaking the law), but that this was a LEGAL RIGHT of David's - "NOBODY HAD A RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING". If David broke the law, then people had a LEGAL RIGHT to say so (to say nothing of the obligation to uphold the law.) vpw considered the CITIZENS of Israel to be the SLAVES, the CHATTEL of the King- "every woman in the kingdom was technically the property of the king or belonged to the klng." In case "belonged to the king" was unclear, he doubled down and said they were "PROPERTY". Now, someone can come along later and say that the clear words here- "belonged to" "property" "nobody had a right" - mean something completely different than what they say. Doesn't mean they're correct or that reality changes to match their wishes that the book had said something else.

But you recognize Edgar Bergen? He was in this movie, as was Charlie. It was their very last film. Come on....

In fact, it's less than a decade old. (Obviously, its sequel is less than a decade old, also.)

It's good to bring this up again periodically. People who are real pfal fans always seem ready to excuse vpw of any of his immoral and illegal acts in the process. Sometimes they say they don't make a big deal about the man, other times they're more honest about it. And it's never people who spent a lot of personal time with him who say that. They either never met him, or were introduced in passing...so it's easy to invent a vpw who isn't based on reality who is worthy of respect, and thus, respected.

It's amazing what gets conflated, so I'll point it out. A) "The Football Captain always gets his choice of the cheerleaders." The women go for the guy who has one or more of the following: looks, money, popularity, From them, he can select among those he finds most favorable from: looks, popularity. (The system points to that and not to other selectors. Which selectors are GOOD selectors are a whole discussion.) So, the teenage women make freewill choices who to make themselves approachable towards (or approach them), and the teenage men make freewill choices who to approach (or be available to approach.) The "problem" here is that the "top" of both indices pair off (the first string athletes with the first-string cheerleaders.) That's actually sensible. But those who are left out can be troubled by it. It's reality- wealth and other factors are inherited and not distributed by merit. But the adolescents all made their own decisions. They could easily choose someone not on the other index based on their own reasons or even a whim. All legal, all acceptable, all of it not immoral. B) King David ruling Israel under the Mosaic Law- which stressed fidelity in marriage and had NO clause permitting otherwise, even for a King. He chose to break his own law and exert his unequal power over a married woman and had an affair with her. We know nothing about her state of mind, but we know he had the power to break the law at will and have her forced to "cooperate." He even had the power to have her husband killed and make it look like an accident- and he did. She was not free to make a choice there no matter what she actually thought or felt. King David operated outside The Law, and acted immorally. And yet, someone claimed that "TECHNICALLY" this was all right. It was not-it was illegal. The only explanation as to why someone thought it would be legal was someone claiming that "TECHNICALLY" "all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king." However, that was a notion contrary to Scripture- thus the absence of verses supporting that bald claim. The idea that powerful people in Hollywood can rape and molest and get away with it goes along with that sort of justification- yet it's illegal in the US just as it's illegal under the Mosaic Law. That has nothing to do with teenagers choosing who to date.

There were only 2 Danny Ocean's. Mrs Wolf and I watched the original "Oceans 11" together, and since she's a Sinatra fan, I figured you wouldn't try to slip him past me. (Especially since I named some of his roles previously and might recognize the names later.) The other was George Clooney. When it came to "Gecko", I was thinking Gordon and Wall Street, not the Gecko brothers (I thought of them after I hit "send".) They, of course, were the criminals trying to stay alive "From Dusk til Dawn."

Nobody there was in archived footage or anything. Everybody showed up to work for filming. And that last set of actors...most of them should tell you something. Except for Durning, they're all known for something very specific-except for Caroll Spinney, and he's known for one character he's played/dressed up as for freaking forever.

This movie was not obscure, and is not old.

This movie neither relied on neither cartoon characters, nor animation nor CGI for their characters. So that leaves....

That leaves 2 possibilities.... was this GEORGE CLOONEY?