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Right. Both of those are specifically expressions used by twi/ex-twi and by nobody else.

Manipulation of language is not exclusive to cults. Many people don't realize that's what they're doing when they do it. It's a Sociology/ Social Psychology thing. There are two kinds of people: US and THEM. And that's the line of demarcation. Groups that build loyalty and social cohesion tend to build on things that highlight and manufacture the differences between US and THEM. So, one of the very first things is the language/jargon. You can tell who is/was part of a group you're in based on the jargon they use or don't use (unless they're making an effort to avoid using jargon they know, which would be a conscious decision.) So, there's NEW words, and there's words and phrases that are used in new and different ways, and there's words which are used a lot and words which are avoided or deprecated. Ok, we're discussing examples from twi. In twi, "Christian" actually became a derisive term, a deprecated term. It was a term used by the unenlightened to refer to Christians, because it ignorantly referred to "Christ-in" without knowing it did so. (In reality, it did NO SUCH THING. For group cohesion, however, truth is irrelevant, and group dynamics are what count.) When rfr gave court testimony, the question came up as to what people were supposed to do if their orders from HQ contradicted legality. She gave an evasive answer that said a lot to those who knew twi. (If the thing had gone to a full trial, it would have been fun for the lawyers to question her directly on it-I think they were saving the fun for the trial.) She said she "expect them to do the Word." An evasion. However, according to twi, the most important tenet is to FOLLOW LEADERSHIP, EVEN OFF OF A CLIFF, and if leadership is wrong, then follow them anyway and "GOD WILL COVER." So, "do the Word" means "obey leadership blndly even unto painful death."

Ok, I can look her up now. *looks* Oh, yeah. She was on that show, "Empire", with Terrence Howard. Judging by that first name, I was almost sure she was in the Black Panther movie, but she was not. She was, however, the Mom in the remake of The Karate Kid Jackie Chan the Cannonball Run

This is a weird round, but this is what I want to post now. There were two shows, one previous, one current. Both are/were supposed to be action shows, of some sort, and had/ have some comedic moments. Both shows have something specific in common (and probably nothing else.) Both shows have had at least one main character TRANSFORMED INTO A PUPPET during an episode. Name either show.

The official title is "Istanbul (not Constantinople)", so you're correct. They Might Be Giants did the cover, at something like double-time of the original song with different instruments. The original was performed by "The Four Lads." BTW, it seems that the lyrics differed slightly. TMBG sang "Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul not Constantinople.." The Four Lads sang "Every gal in Constantinople is a Miss-tan-bul, not Constantinople..." I think I prefer the original lyrics. The remake was a lot of fun, though.

"Been a long time gone, Constantinople Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night. Every gal in Constantinople" "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way." "So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks." This song was a hit in 1953 for the original band, and in 1990 for an "alternative" band.

Ok, finished LoT and now I can read this thread again without (many) spoilers. Some thoughts.... Mrs Wolf was delighted that "the garden gnome" was among the monsters that needed a jailbreak. We've been waiting for that thing to appear since "Legends of To-meow-meow", when one timeline showed both Henshaws murdered by a garden gnome. If that thing took down both of them, it's a lot tougher than it looks. It's also neat that the Stein puppet is still possessed. I was really curious what it was going to do in the show, especially since it looks nothing like a monster. (Which, I imagine, kept it warming the bench.) I imagine being stuck in a cell with Ray could end up brainwashing VS or anyone else truly trapped with him. I was SO glad that wasn't a ploy to ride his escape. Looks like the brother is now a Legend, replacing the sister in the present. BTW, I called the "swap their appearances" as a legit plan as soon as it was clear Nate had to be snuffed. I was rather shocked that the team was neither trying CPR nor waking up Gary. Nora's new job has some discretion and leeway, and she needs to explore that more. Glad Tabitha's gone for good. I have to say, for a place so many were scared to be sent, "hell" seemed pretty watered-down. People there held down jobs and had entertainment. It didn't even seem to qualify as standard Purgatory. Frankly, I've been in scarier places. Then again, I used to ride the subway through the South Bronx every night, and I've seen Bea Arthur sing. The 3 bosses seemed rather blase and casual about somebody shoving all of them aside. They had NO plan to prevent that at all, and were fine with it? As an aside, as a DC fan, with 3 demons mentioned together, I was hoping for Abnegazar, Rath and Ghast. https://www.retroist.com/2019/04/22/whos-who-abnegazar-rath-and-ghast/ https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Demons_Three

"Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way." "So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks."

Accepted Justin Long Galaxy Quest

Gone in 60 Seconds Angelina Jolie Mr and Mrs Smith

Next song. I hope someone gets it, since I'll have trouble not including the title. "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way."

I suppose, in an absolute sense, that's true. In practice, however, I'd probably follow that behavior more with, say, one guy teaching the Bible in his living room than, say, the official head of some splinter organization. I'd be a LOT more leery of those. In an absolutist sense, perhaps one should consider they MAY not be the pride-blinded bloodsuckers that some of their peers are. At the same time, one should be prepared for the possibility that they interpret "Hello" as "Tell me about the latest thing for which you're charging money." (JAL's standard response when he's hawking Momentus under the table while he's denying he is, for example.) Then again, at my first twig meeting, I kept one eye on the door the entire time.

I thought that would make it a LOT easier to guess, actually. I thought it would be snapped up with the first quote. The food quote certainly would have given it away to me, not even counting the reference to being able to sue "HER" since it was the Old West and not the present.

And Raf's gotten me back for the previous "ear worm."

The drunk in cell 2 had just woken up. Some people called him "Jim." (Probably because that was his name.) He refused breakfast for a bottle of whiskey.

That first exchange is followed up with "Oh, blow it out your @$$." During the initial attack of desperadoes on Rock Ridge, one man is dragged by a horse. "Well, that's the end of this suit." The food line was during the fight in the commissary. Mongo smashed Taggart (Slim P) and sent him sailing across the tray line, covered in food. The cashier rang him up for the food he was wearing. One showing of this movie on TV had 2 diehard fans of the movie watching with a host. Before they went to commercial breaks, the host would ask a trivia question, and they had to try to write down the answer during the break. Then the next segment aired, with the answer. The last one asked which foods were rung up. Yes, I got it right from home. Governor LePetomane was meeting with politicians in his office when the telegram came from Rock Ridge asking for help and a Sheriff. "The Gov" heard it and replied this. Then they all "harrumphed" (except for one man who had to do it alone. "You watch your @$$.") Looks like all the quotes aren't giveaways.

Yes. Model, actress, inventor of "frequency-hopping", which was quite useful in World War II (and afterwards), as it prevents jamming of radio signals. Her most famous quote about modeling is that anyone could model- all they had to do was stand around and look stupid. (If you saw the DC's LoT episode with her, you may have noticed she knew her science there, and actually said the quote. Mrs Wolf applauded because she was waiting specifically for that line.)

Correct.

Let's see....Marc Anthony..... don't know much of his stuff.... but I can hear the music now. "I NEED TO KNOW."

That last line looks familiar, but I can't hear any music with it (yet).

Steve Buscemi Big Fish Danny De Vito

I've heard of all 3 artists. I've never heard of this song. Moving on...

This movie settled out-of-court with a famous actress (and inventor) for an undisclosed amount of money. At least she didn't have to stand around and look stupid for the money.

The thing is, while some of the people who were leaders in twi at some point are still alive, this can be necessary because some of them are spreading lies. A generation later, this becomes a lesser problem but still exists. This "vpw said" business carries weight if people think vpw was an exceptional Christian rather than the lying, lukewarm dirtbag he actually was. A few people are still teaching their kids this, but this problem self-corrects over time, with the numbers of adherents to the vpw delusion decreasing exponentially. Worldwide, now, the numbers are tiny, and they drop further every decade, and eventually will just be a handful of adults scattered around the USA who were taught that vpw was some Superman and to shun other Christians. Either they'll die out completely, or they'll discover the truth and drift away from vpw apologetics. I mean, we've had vpw apologists here before. Some have died due to old age, and at least one joined a mainstream religion that vpw used to badmouth. The process has been going on for decades, and will continue. I don't know if there will ever be a time with ZERO wierwillists, but it's not ridiculous to imagine it will be down to less than one living-room full before I pass away from old age. BTW, beginning thinkers don't need JJ to recommend something weighty and logical. They need something simple and clear. They need years to work up to "scholarly."

"Order, order. God^&%&it, I said "order". " Y'know, Nietzsche says: "Out of chaos comes order." " "Well, that's the end of this suit." "Yankee bean soup, cole slaw, and tuna surprise. " "We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately!" ""I'd better sit up." ["Need any help?" "Oh... all I can get." ""Hey, maybe you should eat somethin' first." "No thanks, food makes me sick." This movie actually predicted something- it referenced something that didn't happen until much later in the shooting (it predicted a lawsuit.)