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Those ALL sound familiar. That means I've actually SEEN this movie. "Terminator 2-Judgement Day"???

That's what happens when enough money/members is/are on the table.

I keep forgetting (or downgrading) the amount of plagiarism vpw did from Charles Welch. (Probably because he didn't use 2 initials like BG, JE, EW, EW,,,,) Thanks both of you. I wonder how Karl K is doing these days-I saw him adding some of his research there...

"King Saul and the Witch of Endor- did the Prophet Samuel Rise at Her Bidding?" "The Rich Man and Lazarus- an Intermediate State?" The latter is here- https://philologos.org/__eb-rml/

"Saul and the Witch of Endor- Did the Dead Rise at Her Bidding?" "The Rich Man and Lazarus- an Intermediate State?" Both by Bullinger, pretty much rewritten as the contents of 'ADAN?" The content was plagiarized, and even the "title with a question" format was ripped off. When I mentioned that, vpw defenders skipped over the "all the content came from 2 of Bullinger's works" and fixated on "the format was copied over" and took cheap-shots at me for pointing that out- which pretty much highlighted they couldn't dispute that vpw plagiarized about all the content off of those 2 works of Bullinger, so all they had left was to change the subject and insult me.

Scenes that slowed the movie down included the reading of Baron Beaufort Von Frankenstein''s will. (His distant relatives all got equal shares- unless, somehow, his grandson has decided to go into the sciences or medicine, and acquired a measure of success to counter what Victor Frankenstein did. Frederick was the 5th leading authority in his field- so he got everything.) I liked the scene, but it slowed things down. Then there was a merry highwayman who tried to rob the Frankenstein Monster- that scene didn't fit. The scene that showed Frederick smashing a violin +gave away he wasn't just a sane doctor. The actor who remained anonymous was Gene Hackman- who wanted to do the movie for FUN, and didn't want his name to distract the viewers. The director's way of filming was black-and-white, like the films he was spoofing. Gene Wilder's agent also represented Marty Feldman and Peter Boyle. The reference to "Darwin" was in Frederick's lecture. The annoying student brought him up. "Didn't Darwin preserve a piece of vermicelli until it suddenly seemed to move of its own volition?" "Are you speaking of the worm or the spaghetti?" "Why, the worm of course." "I seem to remember reading something of that when I was a student. But please remember, a worm- with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being." The 2 murders in this film- the Frankenstein Monster was hanged- but he got better, and the jailer with the matches who hassled the Monster until the thing choked him to death. Oh, and the scene introducing Inspector Kemp to Frederick explained his injuries- the Monster damaged his eye and his hand. Kemp was in one of the Frankenstein movie. Madeline Kahn got to sing on-key here, but her previous movie role was in "Blazing Saddles" as Lily Von Shtupp, and she had to sing somewhat off-key to play her.

IT IS.

For the sake of participating, I'll throw out one of my wild guesses and say "the Flip Wilson Show",

-This movie was a success. The original cut of the film was about double the final cut. A marathon editing session trimmed the film down, and dropped all the jokes that didn't work and all the scenes that slowed down the story (and a few that were just...off.) -One well-known actor wasn't credited when the movie hit the theaters- by his request. -Columbia Pictures refused to film this movie in the way the director insisted. So, he went to Fox and the movie was a hit- filmed the director's way. - Because the same agent represented 3 actors, 2 of them- who played major comedic roles- were suggested to the third as possible cast members. -The "Darwin" mentioned was ERASMUS Darwin, grandfather to Charles. - -Go ahead and count them- there's exactly 2 murders in this film- and one of them doesn't exactly count. -Deleted scenes included a reading of a will, and some exposition explaining who a certain police inspector was. -One actress had to sing off-key in her immediately previous movie role, but she got to sing on-key in this movie.

The dots are a visual representation of a category of how many posts a poster has made. The GSC has had that for a long time-since we moved off ezboard, IIRC. (I remember the 1.0 version of the dots rendering well for Internet Explorer, but not Firefox, and I saw the posting section of the page shoved over if someone's "rank" was high, to make room for all the dots. (That was fixed pretty fast once I mentioned something.) As for the phrases, messageboards tend to have a default "title" for posters based on number of posts. Often staff will give someone a unique title on their own, sometimes with their input, sometimes surprising them with it. The GSC is the only board I'm familiar with that lets the person set their own title. (I've seen a board where idiot posters were allowed to continue to post but their title was changed to "twit". And seen boards where I logged in, posted, and saw I had a title. And so on.)

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I have less than George.

With the emphasis on how freaking perfect vpw's system allegedly was, nobody's eager to REMOVE or REPLACE it. To keep the money moving and the people in their seats, they want to claim to just "revive" and "restore" the "classic" twi- since selective memory makes that a paradise that in few ways resembles the actual experience.

The word "study" is a poor translation of the word. The more modern translations don't shy away from translating it either as "be diligent" or "do your best" or "make every effort". "Spoude" doesn't have anything to do with "studying." Someone inferred that from the verse, and altered the verb in the verse to say that.

I'd question what was so arduous that Paw had to endure it, but we just had a rather vivid illustration of exactly what Paw's tired of. In good conscience, I can't ask him to just continue indefinitely.

Every single spinoff and splinter from twi started off saying they had the best intentions. Many of them started without asking for money, even hostile to the idea-at least openly. All of them EVENTUALLY asked for money. However, I'm sure that decades of experience with organizations with the same origin, the same history, and the same trajectory doesn't really count, and THIS TIME we see a group that does not want and never will want your money. Furthermore, they will be the one group to be open-door, and have people WELCOME to leave whenever they want, and say in EVERY way that all Christians are equal, etc....

Perhaps the mission definition changes depending on who defines it! For the others, it's setting up the new group, making it look like it's NOT about obedience and tithing, then sneaking that in the back door very slowly. For Rico, it's about making a name for himself so he can carve a piece of the RnR pie and grab some tithers later in the story.

Except... -Someone mentioned plans to start up some other group over a year before the big meeting. -Someone registered the domain name "revival and restoration" several months before the big meeting. They already had plans for a new group before they ever met with the bod. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I'm more than a little suspicious of groups when their entire website is password- protected. I have trouble believing their "donate" button isn't prominent as soon as you log in. The Facebook page costs them nothing, and, if I heard correctly, doesn't have the "donate" button. That's their PUBLIC face, so it's clever if they keep money off of that. Too many of us have seen this in too many variations to buy that they really don't want the money. vpw used to say he didn't care, also. WHEN THE MICROPHONES WERE ON.

I'm pretty sure that someone mentioned, early on, either a "donation button" or a direct request in their stuff. A "donation button" on a Facebook page (that they don't pay for, for example) says a lot. Whoever said it, please speak up. Whoever saw it, please link to the mention or something.

This sounds like it might have been the story of Ricky Ricardo Valenzuela. aka Ritchie Valens. The movie was called "LA BAMBA." The coin toss was the famous one. The winter tour's bus had a broken heater. The headliners chartered a plane to take them to the next location, but there was only space for 3 of them. The Big Bopper and Buddy Holly had their spots- so the coin toss determined whether Eddie Fuller (I think) or Ritchie Valens got the last seat. Ritchie won the coin toss, got on the plane, and that was the famous plane crash "the day the music died." I could imagine someone who knew one of them watching a re-enactment of the coin toss and losing it. If Lou Diamond Philips is actually slightly older than Esai Morales, that explains the age clue. If I am correct, I'm sorry, but I'm going to be traveling. I will TRY to check in at some point. Otherwise, I'll respond when I return. So, IF I am right, FREE POST!

You missed living through A LOT. twi was accused of being a cult mostly due to doctrine, but should fairly have been accused of it based on its practices- which were kept under wraps so outsiders never complained about them. That was vpw's idea. He even grandstanded to try to get media attention. When he found out the main objections were backlash from their position on the Trinity, he attempted to manufacture a media event. He signed copied of "Jesus Christ is Not God". He left each copy at a church doorstep along with a sign: "Jesus Christ. Not God. Never was, never will be!" He told insiders that what he was going to leave was a list of the verses calling Jesus "the Son of God." lcm ran twi like a cult because vpw instructed him to do so. lcm unwittingly documented that in "VP and Me", and we discussed that in the thread "vp and me in wonderland." twi is corrupt through and through because vpw wanted it that way and designed it that way. The current power brokers in twi want it that way also. They're just milking the cash cow as long as they can, getting kids educated, getting free labor, getting all expenses covered independent of salary, etc. Even if someone removed the entire top, the system has no checks-and-balances, and is designed to support one dictator or another. rivenbark knows this, held power directly as long as she could, and has the current leader under her thumb. twi has been circling the drain for years, and its end is inevitable. The powers that be are just "running the clock" and getting what they can. Frankly, sensible Christians are all better off leaving twi. Lots of Christians attempted to reform it, none succeeded. It's over-optimism to think that the NEXT group of Christians will fare any better.

"I cannot speak for the whole group, but I know at least one of the people in the panel, and I don't see greed/power or monetary gain being the motivation here. I think it is more of a mid-life crisis type of situation, knowing they have invested the better part of their lives towards an organization that has given them nothing back." Hello, Sugarrush. I don't think that those 2 reasons are exclusive. A mid-life crisis reminds you that you have no nest egg, and that sends some people to make their own group and start soliciting donations. "Yes, they may have been previously aware of issues, but you don't question leadership in the Way (and you certainly don't discuss them) you just follow orders." Actually, most of the people in twi's history DID question leadership, didn't like the answers, and made tracks LONG ago. THOUSANDS of them have posted here, and countless others have lurked here without posting publickly. The people you mentioned were ok with sticking around, drawing a paycheck, and glossing over problems. Other people spoke up and were escorted off-grounds, or had to leave because they knew they'd be kicked out as soon as they spoke up. The people you mentioned stuck around through all the public exits, and only jumped ship now when it was financially advantageous to do so. Those 2 things tell me a lot-their inaction when others acted or left, and the timing of their action NOW. "I think we all can relate to knowing about sites like waydale in the 2000s when still with the Way, and and not wanting to know what was on there. It has always been an us vs. them mentality. " And yet, so many people follow/ed the GSC down the decades. With twi keeping secrets from their own membership, the members turned here for news. In fact, twi once insisted that the GSC post a news item for them- since they knew that was the best way to get the news out to their rank-and-file! "I think they have just had enough of the BS. I agree they are holding their tongue on many things but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. If they had truly fresh thinking and research they would have a much higher chance of success than trying to go back to a baseline of VPW's plagerized material as their foundation. The rabbit hole just goes way too deep, and this is why I left years ago. " This makes it sound like you get it.

The previous post from you ended in "Jason Lee", who was also in "Dogma", so the turn went that way. I was hoping to log in from another computer from time to time. My old computer suddenly started working again. (Peculiar!) I will be traveling soon, so I will probably not check in much over, say, a 2-week period. I don't recognize "John McKinley."

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