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I was going to come back and post the right answer. "West Side Story" is one of the movies based on the Romeo and Juliet theme- like "Underworld" and Baz Luhrman's "Romeo + Juliet." George is in a garage band? What instrument, or are you vocals?

Not a bad film to link to and from. *thinks* I'm not going to link back to Uma, so let's go Ben Stiller Starsky and Hutch Owen Wilson

(As an aside, that was Matthew Broderick, Uma Thurman, Will Farrell, and Mel Brooks.)

Ok. We have a musical with Caucasian actors playing non-Caucasian roles in some cases. That means, probably, Latino, Black, Asian, Middle Eastern. Scratch Middle Eastern- the only Semitic musical didn't have actors using makeup. Asian was only "the King And I." So, some characters are Black or Latino- with Caucasians playing them. Makeup to turn a Caucasian into an African-American isn't cost-effective for a group, it looks too much like blackface. No blackface musical would have been made that late. So, characters, at least in the ensemble, who are Latino. It's name has been mentioned in this round already, twice. *slaps forehead* In fairness, your clues went their own way. This is Baz Luhrman's musical, "Underworld." No, wait.....

"so dwbh was one of those evil mean leaders that possibly kicked people out for no reason ?" Nobody said that. This is what vpw called "private interpretation." (BTW, he was incorrect in his usage of the term.) DWBH's story is well-documented here and fully detailed. He REFUSED to kick people out. He tried to get them help- and that's when twi fell on him like a falling safe. "as long as twi teaches the rightly divided word of GOD i will stick around." As long as one is determined to stay in twi, it's impossible to exercise 20/20 hindsight. Even with people providing examples. One remains sentenced to repeating twi's catchphrases and unable to discuss them outside or repeating the official line on anything. "I attended several offshoots in the late 80's -90's at various times and it was the same mean arrogant leaders that left or were kicked out running them." These people were fully trained by twi, and considered fully qualified to lead by twi. And you found them unfit to lead. So, you go back to twi and say twi's current leaders- who were fully trained by twi and considered fully qualified to lead by twi- are fit to lead. You don't see anything wrong with that? "and a lot of what they did was talk sheet about twi." I imagine rape, plagiarism, and other felonies were discussed quite a bit. Funny how twi/vpw fans downgrade "vpw drugged and raped those women" to "talking sheet about twi." "twi is made up of people and WE all have imperfections ,make mistakes and if you can understand that it will make life easier. when there are leaders that are aye wholes is were a problem lies because its your word against theirs and most of the time the leader is believed." A) There's minimum standards leaders are to be kept to. Organizations have a fiduciary responsibility to run things in safe ways and not expose people to unneeded risks. If they do, there's systems in place to address the problems AND the unfit leaders. But in twi, those systems were suppressed because vpw wanted absolute power with no checks nor balances, and his successors have felt the same way. "We all have imperfections." That's a really soft way to address people dying because of vpw/twi policies. In fact, the only time the twi policies began to reflect reality was because the twi lawyers demanded twi conform to the law. You've placed your confidence in a group that places you in a position of insignificance, and only looks out for you or your peers if the law requires them to do so. You don't see anything wrong with that? B) Seriously, you don't think the organization that taught these guys to lie and suppress information and everyone to believe the leader is still doing it, and on a bigger scale than the people who left and did that? You left the amateurs at doing that to join the professionals at that practice. You don't see anything wrong with that? C) There's plenty of ex-twi'ers among Christians who don't do that. BTW, is that the only reason you returned to twi from splinters? That a splinter abused you, so you went to the group that taught them to abuse?

STANDARD response. "All of you focus your lives on the evils of twi". As if we spend all our lives here. Seriously, someone's feeding all of you the same handful of lines. It happened in twi- which is why your "we look only toward God" post looked rehearsed, and this response is equally standardized. Until you actually do the thinking for yourself, you're going to pretty much be subject to whoever's writing your scripts. At least become aware someone's feeding you lines and you're just repeating them here.

In CFS, he broke down a bunch of words and gave them all a sexual connotation, and was also inconsistent with his explanation. "ARUM", according to him, meant- depending on the verse in that passage- either "sharp or wise" or "nothing to hide". That's a HECK of a lot of ground for one word to cover! Everybody in Genesis was "arum"- "the Serpent", Adam, Eve... and it meant completely unrelated things when it referred to different individuals. "It wasn't the apple on the tree- it was the pear/pair on the ground." Every crackpot idea that connected to sex found a home in twi. I've noticed that most seem to be twi and ex-twi specific in usage. In cyberspace, when I've looked for explanations of the related verses, only ex-twi'ers said "this is what it means" and nobody else. twi/vpw taught that Mary and Joseph had sex before Jesus was born. The whole "knew her not meant no sex OR no sex resulting in conception" thing is unique to twi/ ex-twi. No scholar has stepped forth to claim that.EVERYBODY else seems to think this is a rather straightforward thing (no sex before Jesus was born.) twi/vpw taught that Jesus and Samson were both molested- Jesus when the soldiers tortured him, Samson when the Philistines captured him. It was an enormous stretch placed on the JKV phrase "made sport", and examination showed it didn't hold up in Biblical usage. Small wonder, again, only ex-twi'ers claim that one. twi/vpw taught that when someone swore "with hand on thigh" that the hand wasn't on the thigh- the hand was somewhere else, and the oath sworn "hand on thigh" was sworn "on the family jewels." Turns out the long answer is that the "thigh" thing isn't figurative. What is meant in swearing ON a thigh was figurative, but the physical hand was on the physical thigh in practice. Again, ex-twi'ers still teach that one, but the general public does not.

The exact wording was never "and you put your trust in wierwille." It wasn't QUITE that transparent- as everybody else can see pretty clearly. HOWEVER, if anyone reading the Bible while it "interpreted itself" and came up with a different conclusion than vpw, vpw clamped down HARD on them, and that trickled down. The vpw way to do things was the ONLY way to do things. He was quoted on all sorts of subjects as if he was an expert on EVERYTHING because we thought he was an expert on the Bible. And there was plenty of NONSENSE among all of that. His conspiracy theories alone were enough to qualify him as an obvious loony. His crackpot ideas about medicine were, at best, HIGHLY questionable. Ever hear an OB/GYN doctor say that the only LEGIT craving a pregnant woman could have was for SALT? vpw rattled that off. Ever hear a medical doctor or a nurse say that there was no difference between starches or sugars and drinking alcohol? vpw said that if you had a piece of pie for dessert, you ended up consuming "more GRAIN ALCOHOL" than if you'd had a few drinks. (That made it onto an SNS tape, straight from his mouth.) Anything vpw said about the Bible was ACCEPTED WITHOUT EXPLANATION. I once made a point without prefacing it "and vpw said it meant this" because I read something logically. (Objective observers later said I was right.) I wasn't asked "Why do you say that?" I was told "you CAN'T say that." Later, someone tried to repeat that to me. I paused in showing them why it was sensible to ask "If vpw said that was the case, would you accept it without explanation?" "Of course I would." That was a Country Coordinator. I think you SAW, but did not OBSERVE. Even with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, everything's still being seen through the twi filter where vpw did no wrong.

I guarantee that the actors/actress who played Leo Bloom, Ulla, and Hans Liebkind- to name a few- are well-known and can be connected to other movies without a lot of thought. You would also recognize the name of the man who dubbed one of the German soldiers during the staged musical. ("Don't be stupid, be a smartie- come and join the Nazi party!" )

Trying to picture an opening with a slow reveal of an image. A few Batman movies did that, but with as many as 2 colors, not "several." "South Park" did that, I think, with an image of Cartman (or that was one of the promos.) However, that was animated and didn't have live actors, which eliminated this option. This was a movie with live actors. Which was made 4 years before "The Sound of Music." I need to bounce this off Mrs Wolf, but I'm not waking her to ask her. She knows "Sound of Music" much better than I do, and might remember the director(s). This is probably not a documentary, but MIGHT be "based on a true story." I'm thinking this is a musical with non-Caucasian characters, some played by Caucasians. (That's more common than the other way around.) *thinks* Is this "THE KING AND I"?

Rad said he was referring to NY'ers who left. He was referring SPECIFICALLY to NY'ers who left twi in 1988-1989 when lcm drew his line in the sand. He demanded an oath of loyalty from all the Corps and leaders at every level. Anyone who gave any other answer (I swear allegiance to Jesus Christ, we ought to follow God rather than men....) were kicked out of twi and their reputations were attacked. Since they were kicked out as a unit, it was easy for them to stay in touch and form a group of ex-twi-- especially when most of the state left with them when lcm announce what happened. About 80% of twi left in that year, more in some areas than others. In NY, AFAIK, it was more than 80%. I'm not checking up on what VF is doing lately, so I don't know who he's associating with or looking into other than ex-twi or twi-approved authors. If he's really opened his doors, that's probably a good thing. (Unless he ends up starting another "Momentus" debacle or "personal prophecy" or something.)

Well, anyone who said anything other than "I'm following you blindly, Craig" would have been kicked out at the time- as Lifted Up discovered when he spoke to lcm on the phone and asked him if he was demanding "an oath to follow him blindly," since that's what he sounded like. lcm said flatly that that's what Lifted Up was already doing. LU corrected his factual error by telling him to kiss his posterior and hanging up immediately. So, yes, any "leader" (Way Corps or person in any position) was, at the time, demanded to swear an oath of loyalty to lcm. So, any successor after that WOULD have sworn to follow lcm, while those who refused to choose any man were kicked out, along with anyone who gave any answer other than "I swear allegiance to the craig..." The other part was interesting. Having been kept out of the loop of those who left earlier and WHY they did (Ralph, JAL, etc), we had previously thought they had no legitimate reason to jump ship when they did. After all, if they HAD left for a good reason, we would have been told. After all, we were all interested in the truth, so why would leaders lie to us, or withhold information from us? (20/20 hindsight) And yes, it softened in different ways for different people over time. Some just softened it for ex-twi and ONLY for ex-twi. Others eventually included other Christians, and so on. I think more of those who became in charge of the splinters tended to be more "ex-twi only" and rank-and-file became more inclusionary of other Christians. Then again, a few erstwhile leaders made an odd exception to their "ex-twi only" rule- which led directly to the MOMENTUS debacle- for which JAL never apologized and he still seems to be selling it under-the-table.

There was this thing in some Monty Python skits, where a woman would say nothing all through the skit, while some strange problem appeared, and was eventually dealt with. As soon as the crisis was over, she spoke up- and started the whole thing rolling again. Everyone looked at her with anger, and she burst out, crying "But it's my only line!" So, without her line, she had nothing else to do there, so even if it was bad, she had to say it or she was useless and irrelevant. Even if the line was useless or worse. "They all just cannot let go of telling people they have the truth. Sheesh.... just go and live life!" But, but.....it's their only line!

An "opening" has to have SOMETHING to actually OPEN. We didn't have credits, dialogue, characters, establishing shots of scenery. What's left? A black screen and music. I think this movie's official opening was just a black screen and music. And it wasn't "2001-ASO." And one director seems to have made the musical "West Side Story" 4 years later. I've known a few movies to have an intermission, but actual music for several minutes at the beginning? I'm missing the important clue that was posted.

BZZT! Sorry- Nathan Lane played Max B in the newer Producers, and Zero Mostel played him in the original- which is why I made a point of saying it was the newer one. The newer one had a LOT more actors/ actresses known for other stuff. Select one of those other than Nathan Lane to proceed.

CORRECT! Rocket Raccoon knew he didn't have a human-length life expectancy.

Ok, we have a movie that begins with a few minutes without dialogue, and a long establishing opening (otherwise, the credits would be superimposed.) This could be for several reasons, but eliminates most movies for those reasons. Um, "2001-A Space Odyssey?"

No, And this was not a cartoon.

" Aww, what the hell, I don't got that long a lifespan anyway... Well now I'm standing. Happy? We're all standing now. Bunch of jackasses, standing in a circle. " "I have a plan." "You've got a plan? Okay, first of all, you're copying me from when I said I had a plan." "I'm not copying you, I have a plan, that's not that unique of a thing to say." "And secondly, I don't think you even have a plan." "I have part of a plan." "What percentage of a plan do you have?"

A long time ago, I was going to play in a LARP as a German with some resemblances to the Austrian Arnold Schwarzenegger. To try to get the voice down, I sat down with a VHS tape of "Terminator 2-Judgement Day" and tried to get the accent right. Eventually, I got pretty good at it. Some of the lines must have filtered through "by osmosis." I was focusing on the pronunciation, intonation, and so on.

Addams Family Values (Tony was one of the sailors in the bar Debbie went to. "Your husband is a lucky man.") Nathan Lane (the cop who Gomez yelled at. "Who moved the rock?") The Producers (the newer one- Lane plays Max Bialystock)

I wondered why that sounded VAGUELY familiar. I saw something on TV about Patton (Patton 360), and they mentioned his voice in passing.

Although the sad part (for them) is that this is all about decreasing numbers and delaying the inevitable. They're not joining up because they're currently leaders of growing church organizations. They're both drawing from the ex-twi crowd. That number is smaller every year. So, teaming up to put together the remaining numbers so they look bigger or to try to slow departures from their own groups, or something along those lines. twi is progressively less relevant (although it still wrecks lives), and its ex-twi groups are likewise becoming less relevant.

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