WordWolf

In the taped/filmed class, he was specific about what he was willing to let everyone hear up front. Some things, you had to be in twi for some time to hear. In the class, vpw said he'd "dedicated his life" to the holy spirit field, and so on. He went so far as to say that God "called" him to it. He never said THERE that God spoke to him audibly, and issued the alleged 1942 "promise." (If vpw would teach it to others, God would teach him His word like it hadn't been known since the First Century, a promise that doesn't even work on paper, which wasn't even told to his wife until DECADES later, a poorly-manufactured "promise.") vpw said that he'd taken all his research books to the down dump ('"the gehenna, where the fires never go out") and started over with his Bible as his guidebook. It was the Orange Book and the White Book that began with claims vpw did all the research himself... although the White Book initially at least REFERRED to Stiles (ANONYMOUSLY) IN PASSING as someone who explained this to vpw, but by the 3rd edition, he was gone and vpw had studied and worked it all out himself. As Karl K and others have pointed out, the lack of citing the sources of the material in all the books that lack them is plagiarism, and illegal (and became felonies in each case once the dollar amount of profit raised them above the level of "misdemeanor"- since even a free plagiarism offering is a crime.) The White Book and the Orange Book use material from Leonard, Stiles, and Bullinger, and there's no proper citation of any of them. The "Studies in Abundant Living" likewise ripped off a number of writers (like Kenyon) and rarely cited them. (IIRC, ONE citation of Kenyon, in the same book he was plagiarized in a different chapter. Raf would remember.) One of the problems with ERRORS in twi/vpw was vpw's claims that "his" work came from God Almighty. This means that some people (not you) have gone around claiming it was INERRANT, and even OBVIOUS errors are UNABLE to actually BE errors. In at least one case, someone has hallucinated out secret messages hidden in them that only he has been able to find- so far- and that it's superior to the Bibles we know because this is modern Divine Revelation and the Bible is older Divine Revelation that no longer reflects the originals (according to him.) The Bibles we have are of varying levels of error and interpolation, depending on whether vpw quoted a particular verse or not. (I kid you not.) With vpw using plagiarism to make himself look like himself was some great one, there's still a few people saying "This man was the great power of God". Simon Magus would have been envious of how long his con has continued to last.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8620360/Selective-memory-does-exist-say-scientists.html This link should work where the link I quoted did not. It's to the same article socks MEANT to link. And, if that link expires, you can try this for the same text.... http://web.archive.org/web/20181011053855/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8620360/Selective-memory-does-exist-say-scientists.html

Ok, this one is going to be a tough one. I'm hoping someone gets it before I post the very last name- which is by far his most famous role and should elicit his name immediately. Michael Sutherland Beebo Crozier Erik Destler Anthony Wager Paul Chevalier Bill Gartley Raymond Beaumont Professor Wexler Jackson "Jack" Roth Bernie Garces Erroll Douglas Jack Sampson

If you ever get a chance, watch Robert Wuhl's two "Assume the Position" 1/2 hour specials about history. One of them has fun with something from John Ford's movie, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence."

.......... ?? I don't think I've seen even one movie with this actor. Jimmy Stewart. (No, not even "It's a Wonderful Life.") But I do know that he "went to Washington" at some point.

Hello. If this was not any form of advertisement, then there's some connection with twi or ex-twi groups with the subject, or at the very least with the original poster. So, since you say this was not, either there's a connection to twi or ex-twi groups with the artist or yourself. Therefore, I ask. Who is E.B. Stowe, and what is his connection with twi or ex-twi groups? Or was the connection with twi or ex-twi groups with yourself?

My internal (GSC) search for him gave me only that thread as well. (I was wondering if he was some ex-member who had done art and was known to some people but not to me, as had happened before with Dave Arnes0n. I still find no connection to twi or ex-twi with this artist. Something like 1/2 the posts on that thread were by people who didn't post here before or after that, on any other thread. That made it look like this was completely unrelated (especially since he put it in "Open", the most off-topic forum), but I wanted to allow for the possibility I missed something. Then this thread came along in the "hello, my name is.." forum and was remarkably curt. It looked to me like an advertisement. So, I gave the benefit of the doubt and posed the question. If the original poster ever replies, perhaps I will learn something. (Or not.) (Oddly enough, StartPage searches don't pop that thread up in the first few pages of results, so it's likely the OP used DDG to find us.)

[I think it's not an exaggeration to say that Mike doesn't trust in God working outside of the vpw or Mikean systems. It's why he invented the Mikean system.]

For those arriving late, this is Mike. He said that when Jesus returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange Book in his hand and will be teaching you from it. He confirmed this was NOT a joke, and that he'd "seen him many times this way." He also has a proven record of rewriting the contents of events at the GSC as well as twi. To be brief, he thinks that "vpw's" books and other reading material have replaced the Bible. Let's see what he's on about today. There’s no way I have the time to get involved in debate here, but I couldn’t help but notice two interesting items are missing here. The first missing item is what did VPW himself say about his use of other people’s material? His words on this topic are conspicuously missing here. Why is that? [That's because it was irrelevant to the discussion. However, I'll humor you in the interest of completeness. Among all the plagiarism where vpw made out that he was working with God Almighty only and nobody else, and places like the introduction to the Orange Book where vpw said exactly that, there was a single book with a single comment made in it. For people who had access to a copy of "the Way-Living in Love", and made it about 200 pages in, there was a passing comment by vpw.] "Nothing I do is original. Putting it together in this format-that was the original part." [That sole statement has been creatively interpreted by a handful of people- all people who insist vpw had a special connection to God Almighty- to mean that vpw was admitting that he was ripping off the work of others. It is nothing of the kind. It is a casual comment, rather vague, about not being original. It said nothing about taking Leonard's work and passing it off as his own, Stiles' work and passing it off as his own, and so on. In fact, vpw took Stiles' book oh the Holy Spirit and retyped it, then rephrased some words in later editions, to conceal that it was plagiarized from Stiles (with Bullinger inserted in the Appendices.) In the first few editions, the intro said that vpw "FOUND" a man who taught hm the Holy Spirit field, and in the later editions, vpw rephrased it so that he and he ALONE figured all this out. It's all a CONSISTENT case of INTENTIONAL plagiarism. vpw definitely did his best to pass off the work of others as his own work. ] I also noticed this crucial information missing EVERY TIME the issue of plagiarism comes up. I think it dampens a lot of theories. [This irrelevant comment has been mentioned many times on this subject- and has been raised by myself more than once. Naturally, Mike never remembers that little detail. It's rewritten, just as what the comment actually MEANS was rewritten. And it "dampens" nothing. There's also no "theories." There's a very clear trail showing vpw plagiarized and did his best to hide his tracks. So, he knew what he was doing was wrong, and did it anyway. For those wondering, we've heard "vpw didn't plagiarize", and "God told him to plagiarize" and a few other little things that a handful of people might actually believe to this day. However, they're dying out of old age. Very few kids are buying this tripe.] Does anyone remember what he said? It’s in print. It was widely distributed, starting in 1972. I’ve posted this item about 10 times here (if not more) since Oldiesman found it around 2003. [It was "widely distributed" in that one book, buried more than 100 pages in. It also was no great "discovery." It was posted, and as many as 4 posters claimed it had significance.] Because I have to limit my time here, so I’ll just leave this item hanging. I’ve written reams on it already. [Mike's definitely written a lot here. When asked, he's never actually GOTTEN TO A POINT. Mike's style is to drop oblique comments, make vague statements, claim he knows more than he's telling, then get offended when either nobody cares, or they get irritated he could spend pages and pages to say he didn't have time to address even ONE direct question. (Lots of time to post filler, not one paragraph of substance.] *** The next conspicuously missing item is B.G. Leonard’s visit to the Rock of Ages 1985. I think it was 1985. I was told about this by a 6th Corps clergy member. What BG told an audience there was that The Way was damned for teaching that SIT was not a gift but a manifestation. [There was an account posted here of someone meeting BGL when he appeared on campus. Leonard flipped out when he heard rock and roll (by Takit) played on campus. He claimed it was the devil's music. ] "This ministry will not stand! It cannot stand! That music is the music of Baal! This ministry is going to fall!" ""Sir! This ministry will fall down because of idolatry, you mark my words!" [More than one person recalled his reaction to that rock music. Absolutely NOTHING was posted about Leonard angry that vpw changed "gift" to "manifestation." That's the kind of ridiculous story that's made up to try to make someone look incompetent or some sort of crank. Here, it looks like someone invented it to try to make Leonard look bad- so they could try to say vpw was better or at least of the same calibre.] In other words, he was angry that VPW did not copy him WELL ENOUGH. [In those few steps, we go from "Leonard thought rock music was the devil's music" to "Leonard objected to minutiae about the class but was fine with it otherwise" to "Leonard was angry vpw didn't rip him off more precisely." That was fast. And we can all see how we got there. Why did we get there? It's all to try to preserve the fable that vpw was a legitimate minister and even more- an exceptional minister. Some people have made that a cornerstone of their lives (a few), and there's no reasoning with them.] Also, him being there at the Rock suggests a much closer relationship between VPW and BG than we are generally aware of. [Steve S@nn invited Leonard , according to accounts. This "much closer relationship" has just been manufactured in front of you.] All of my knowledge of this event came from one person, who is SO much a Gear/Martindale clone that he will no longer talk to me. I’m simply trying to verify what I was told. [Sorry, but there was more than 1 poster who said that, and their accounts agreed. Yours did not. Also, you're not "simply trying to verify". You put forth your claim about this ersatz "relationship" and hoped people would buy it. Let's be honest.] I’m extremely thankful that, although BG was not of the temperament to move his revelations over the globe, VPW was. There was no way BG could have moved the Word with the Hippies. No way. [Leonard was of the temperament to empower existing men of God to make them more effective for God Almighty. He was successful enough that- in pre-internet days- his simple class had gotten international attention (that's how vpw found out- people in the US writing about Leonard.) Leonard didn't think of it as "HIS REVELATIONS" either- which is why he just did the work and didn't focus on getting his name around the world. Frankly, if left alone, Leonard would have kept teaching full-steam, and either a minister he taught would have been sent by God to the hippies, or one of those called by God AMONG the hippies would have taken Leonard's class, and that's all it would have taken. Supposing that Leonard's class was the be-all and end-all you're imagining pfal was.]

Hello. Who is E.B. Stowe, and what is his connection with twi or ex-twi groups?

That's it. "The Cellar" became "10 Cloverfield Lane", and "the God Particle" became "the Cloverfield Paradox." The writers started with "Cloverfield"- inspired by an attempt to give the U.S. its own Godzilla. Your turn.

An ex-twi group founded by people who stood by and did nothing while others were kicked out, who played along and smeared reputations for people who were kicked out or who left in disgust, who did nothing when thousands of others brought up all the obvious problems but rather played along with silencing dissent and taking a share of the loot...... those people were the founders of an ex-twi group who turned around and made their own version of the same corruption in twi. Gee, who would have guessed?

Ok, next one. This movie, allegedly, has 2 sequels. The first "sequel" was originally a completely unrelated script called "the Cellar." The second "sequel" was originally a completely unrelated script called "the God Particle." After a few rewrites of their endings, they were then declared to be "sequels" and officially connected to this movie. This movie is set in NYC. One scene was filmed on a movie set. It's the only scene I was completely unable to connect to a real location, so I figured it was filmed on a made-up set;. Other than that, I was able to follow the characters in most of the movie and name their locations (although they lost me for a while when they were in Midtown on 6th, north of Times Square and south of Central Park,) The crew did a fantastic job of disguising Bloomingdales (59th St and Lexington Avenue.) If I wasn't familiar with the exact entrance the characters used, I might have been lost again.

Running Scared Billy Crystal Hamlet (1996 version, directed by Branagh, with lots of stars and a 3-hour run-time; Billy Crystal played the gravedigger and got to say ALL his lines, uncut)

"twi teaches that we are in the grace administration. " "They might say "grace administration," but they have become more legalistic than ever, from what I can see, in what they actually "teach." I doubt that, practically, they have the faintest idea of what "grace" means, is, and enables. And as for "graceful" and "gracefulness" ... well, that's okay as long as you do what they say. Don't think about being individual or doing anything different. And whatever you do, don't look at the chains that invisibly bind you to that organisation." ================================ Here's an un-twi idea. Why not actually look at what twi does and evaluate whether or not THAT matches up to the Bible? The way you're doing it now is that-if they say all the right things- they can do whatever they want and you'll give them a pass because they SAID they did all the RIGHT things while DOING all the WRONG things. Back in twi, I saw a church pastor read and study, then teach on I Corinthians 12 & 14. He read-and said- that tongues were supposed to be interpreted when in the church. Then he closed his sermon, and led the "charismatic" portion of the evening. That included at least a few people I heard that "spoke in tongues"- and absolutely nobody cared that there was no attempt at an interpretation, not even the pastor. Really. That wasn't even 30 minutes after he said "we're not supposed to do this" and he's leading his group while the do exactly that, and he was fine with it. So, talking a good talk is not exclusive to twi (OBVIOUSLY), but twi relies on it to get EVERYTHING past the radar of all the participants.

vpw covered his tracks nicely at the time. BGL was a legit Christian who didn't "think evil" of other Christians (and was a Canadian and not, say, a paranoid NY'er who might double-check things.) vpw found out about Leonard's class, and-according to vpw- found out one was in progress and he couldn't join it since it had already started. He proceeded directly there and basically parked himself until BG relented and let him join. So, vpw "graduated" that class. He took it again a few months later, along with a handful of other people, including Mrs W. vpw was considered a "grad" who was retaking it. Then, a few months later, vpw asked Leonard to ok him running Leonard's class once, locally. Leonard agreed. vpw sent Leonard a photo of the grads of "Leonard's" class. What vpw told all the students was that this was vpw's class on "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today". (No syllabus or diagrams, this was a few months later.) All the people who had taken Leonard's class were already considered "GRADS" of THIS class by vpw himself. That's because it was the same class, just taught by someone else. Later, vpw added Bullinger and Stiles and split the class into 3 different classes that people had to pay for. Some time later, Leonard found out vpw continued to teach Leonard's material AS HIS OWN. BTW, a poster here once took Leonard's class while Leonard was teaching it. He also looked through Leonard's photo album of his classes, and found the photo vpw sent him. He got Leonard's side of things from him at the time. vpw's claims were documented in Mrs W's book, which says the grads of Leonard's class were considered grads of this one. It doesn't say "this is the same class, plagiarized", but what it DOES say makes that pretty clear.

That suggested "BATTLEFIELD EARTH" to me by itself. Timeframe of Forrest Whitaker as an actor, actual stars like FW, an SF flick, and a star clueless as to how bad the movie was. Frankly, the "but better" made me think of comments made about "ÄotS" which gets me thinking "cult" all by itself.

*wild swing* "Ghost Dog- Way of the Samurai"???

https://genius.com/Leonard-bernstein-america-film-lyrics

Who said I recommended Google Search? I use DuckDuckGo when StartPage isn't making it for me. But Microsoft and Google and Facebook attempt to track you and grab your data. So, I prefer not to use MS browsers (IE, Edge) nor Google browsers (Chrome) . I use others, and may add something to block Facebook and Google tracking.

SHAME on you! How can you be in and not call yourself "A FOLLOWER OF THE WAY"? If they catch you doing that, there could be consequences.

STANDARD response. "All of you focus your lives on the evils of twi". As if we spend all our lives here. Seriously, someone's feeding all of you the same handful of lines. It happened in twi- which is why your "we look only toward God" post looked rehearsed, and this response is equally standardized. Until you actually do the thinking for yourself, you're going to pretty much be subject to whomever's writing your scripts. At least become aware someone's feeding you lines and you're just repeating them here. "what do you mean standard response ? nobody is feeding me lines. i write my own scripts." I didn't mean that LITERALLY someone's handing you the contents of a post and saying "type this in." Every pro-twi or pro-vpw person comes out with IDENTICAL ERRORS OF FACT about the GSC. That's not a sign of people all doing their own thinking, it's the sign of people all quoting the same source without attribution. And that's down the DECADES. "we dont discuss the past in fellowship. " If I were running a scam of that type, I'd be doing everything I could to discourage people from digging up the disgraceful past as well. Exposing all the crimes, ruined lives, lies, and so on would not benefit the people running the scam. But things don't just "appear." The twi of today is the result of the twi of yesterday, which is the result of the older twi, and there's LOTS of things they'd be ashamed to stipulate to anywhere. "the Word is taught and i leave. I started going to wi fellowships in 1980. been wow and wd." I don't think you're aware of all the details of what you're being taught. We were all fooled in part, once. Sooner or later, we saw some things slipped past our radars. We were amazed what slipped our notice. If you're still on "nothing is slipping my notice", you have a long road to travel. And people who were in earlier than you, longer than you, and in higher positions than you have discovered things and left twi. "if dwbh had approached me like you he and i could have had a good conversation. but he called me names and stuff and slandered me on a public forum. calling me a racist and aryan is slander." Yet you react, often, like we're ALL doing that. You may not be aware of it. See, when you do that, you can more easily rationalize away the content of our posts, and go back to what you were doing before. It's like looking in a mirror and forgetting what your face looked like.

Feel free to put it there. It's not subject to a vote or anything.

We discussed whether Samson and/or Jesus was/were molested in "Were Samson and Jesus Molested?" We discussed the oath with the hand under thigh in "Oath- hand under thigh". https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/10317-oath-hand-under-thigh/

Whenever humanly possible, I use someone else's free program rather than Microsoft's free program. So, I don't use IE or Edge, I use FireFox and other derivatives (PaleMoon, etc.) I'd trust Chrome before Edge on general principle- and I don't like Chrome because I don't like Google spying on me any more than I like MS spying on me. Frankly, I'd keep a few browsers along, just in case one works better than another for something (that's why I discovered PaleMoon in the first place.) If you want to add a Chromium-based browser, I'd add one instead of Chrome itself. Chrome has all the spyware slowing it down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Other_browsers_based_on_Chromium I know nothing about the cloud-based questions.