WordWolf

I'm not sure about the other roles. I know Galvatron is the big leader of the bad guys in the "Transformers" franchise (he leads the Decepticons, and was Megatron until he was upgraded- at least in the cartoons.) The other names aren't ringing a bell, yet. We saw Transformers in cartoons and in, I think, 3 live-action movies (the human roles, not the robots, of course.) So, he was a voice actor either way, I think.

Would archival footage used in a movie count?

A) JAL never apologized to anyone about bringing in a harmful program, or shilling a harmful program- which he does to this day. Either he DOESN'T CARE it's a harmful program, or he's such a raving idiot he's NOT AWARE it's hurt a LOT of people, and its practices pretty much guarantee it. It's well-known this is a harmful program. The Momentus people know other people know that- which is why they keep HIDING THE NAME and CHANGING THE NAME. So, if JAL is that slack-witted that he's the only one who doesn't know this is harmful, he has NO business leading ANYBODY. If JAL DOES know it's harmful and DOESN'T CARE that it harms God's People, then he has NO business leading ANYBODY. The closest thing we got to a apology was his blanket insult that we would dare to criticize his decisions here. B) How beneficial can a program be if there's a "conspiracy of silence surrounding what it's really like" (and Momentus certainly has that)? There should be a chance to get a general idea of the outline for the program. (I'm not saying they have to show every instant, but people should be able to make an INFORMED DECISION as to what is suitable for them, not to just to have to "take my word for it and pay for this weekend program." How "safe" is a program where you have to sign a waiver that exempts them from being responsible if people get hurt? For those who don't know, this is common sense. Any program run to teach anything has certain responsibilities that are expected LEGALLY as well as MORALLY. They are called "fiduciary responsibilities." If you take an exercise program, those responsibilities include making sure the students begin in decent health, and their health isn't jeopardized by the program in any way- no unsafe food supplements, no exercises that MIGHT damage a few but be fine for many, and so on. In a program like Momentus CLAIMS TO BE, there should NOT be the radical breakdown attempts that are part and parcel OF the program- since those lead DIRECTLY to people suffering the breakdowns. Regardless of any papers signed, there's a fiduciary responsibility and the "trainers" are open to civil suits if not criminal ones.

In the UK, Marvel's "Avengers" movie was marketed as "Marvel's Avengers Assemble" to avoid confusion with the UK's Avengers, which, IIRC, predated the Marvel Comic book by a few years. Marvel's "Avengers" has had many cartoons and several live-action movies by now, of course. *checks* The first season of the UK show aired in 1961, although it went through some changes before it became really popular (with John Steed and Emma Peel.) The Marvel Comic debuted with a cover date of 1963.

That's it. I got the idea for this round when I tried to talk about Steed and Peel, and I almost had to draw a weapon to shut someone up long enough to make it clear I was talking about the British agents and not the Marvel movies when I was talking about TV. I forgot how common it is for people to listen until they hear something they recognize- then they stop listening and respond even if the response is totally inappropriate. (I had that happen once discussing "faery changelings"- as I said out loud- and someone immediately jumped to thinking I meant shapechangers like Constable Odo of ST:DS9 and not the idea that faeries would swap mortal children for faeries in their cradle. )

*slaps forehead* The Waponis must be from "Joe Vs the Volcano."

Ah, you left out part of the clueS. What about the other movie, or movies?

This was a successful television show. It ran for several seasons, and was syndicated to different countries, including the US. It had a sequel show with new episodes some time later. It was never an animated series nor an animated movie, and should not be mistaken for one. It later resulted in a live-action movie- which should not be mistaken for any other movie, whether animated nor live-action. There's a perfectly sensible reason, however, why someone might confuse the show (or the movie) with a different movie or possibly movies.

"Do you have any vacancies?" "Oh, we have 12 vacancies. 12 cabins, 12 vacancies." "It's sad, when a mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son. But I couldn't allow them to believe that I would commit murder. They'll put him away now, as I should have years ago. He was always bad, and in the end he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man... as if I could do anything but just sit and stare, like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do... suspect me. They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly..."

I'd suspect you weren't as far off as you thought. But, you're waiting to hear bells in your head? Are you mad?

Eh, Rod Steiger????

Imagine you misinterpreted Raf's clue, then try again.

George, if you can start describing 2 of the main characters, you'll probably figure out which movie this is.

Some might call that "crazy." Others might find another way to describe it.

You've heard of this movie. And probably the sequels. And almost certainly the remake.

Ok, next one. This was a successful television show. It ran for several seasons, and was syndicated to different countries. It had a sequel show with new episodes some time later. It was never an animated series nor an animated movie, and should not be mistaken for one. It later resulted in a live-action movie- which should not be mistaken for any other movie, whether animated nor live-action.

"Headaches are like resolutions. You forget them as soon as they stop hurting." "So far of those I've used, I haven't had much luck with any of them. Well, let's see what they say about this one. They tell you what it's ingredients are, and how it's guaranteed to exterminate every insect in the world, but they do not tell you whether or not it's painless. And I say, insect or man, death should always be painless." "Sam, this is the last time." "For what?" "For this. Meeting you in secret so we can be secretive. You come down here on business trips, the occasional lunch hour, and I wish you wouldn't even come." "All right, what do we do instead? Write each other lurid love letters? I can come down next week." "No." "Not even just to see you? Have lunch? In public." "Oh, we can see each other. We can even have dinner, but respectably — in my house with my mother's picture on the mantle, and my sister helping me broil a big steak for three." "And after the steak, do we send sister to the movies? Turn mama's picture to the wall?" "Sam!" "All right. Marion, whenever it's possible I want to see you and under any circumstances, even respectability." "You make respectability sound disrespectful." "Oh no, I'm all for it. But it requires patience, temperance, with a lot of sweating out. Otherwise though, it's just hard work. But if I could see you and touch you, you know, simply as this, I won't mind." "You've never had an empty moment in your entire life, have you?" "Only my share." "Where are you going? I didn't mean to pry." "I'm looking for a private island." "What are you running away from?" "Wh-why do you ask that?" "People never run away from anything." "The rain didn't last long, did it? [Pause] You know what I think? I think that we're all in our private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can ever get out. We scratch and we claw, but only at the air, only at each other, and for all of it, we never budge an inch." "Sometimes, we deliberately step into those traps." "I was born in mine. I don't mind it anymore." "Oh, but you should! You should mind it!" "Oh, I do, [laughs] but I say I don't." "You know, if anyone ever talked to me the way I heard — the way she spoke to you..." "No! I will not hide in the fruit cellar! Ah ha! You think I'm fruity, huh? I'm staying right here.This is my room and no one will drag me out of it, least of all my big bold son." "And the forty thousand dollars? Who got that?" "The swamp. These were crimes of passion, not profit."

Um, Spencer Tracy???

I find it fascinating that both Catholic sources seemed to agree with each other just fine- but that the woman quoted earlier disagreed with both. They said that a married person was supposed to be physically faithful to their spouse and have conjugal relations with only them, and an unmarried person was to have no conjugal relations with anyone. (If I misread, please enlighten me.) I'm a lot less inclined to take her word on subjects. She's depicted the Vatican as some sort of den of illicit sex. There may well be some people doing something there, but I find it strains credulity to think that the majority of the hierarchy stationed there are all in on some illicit sex ring. Pope Francis was chosen, in part, because of his notable piety and his humility. He struggled with this sort of thing as a bishop and cardinal before becoming Pope, and "what to do about these priests" is something he's been very concerned about during his time as Pope as well. I'm not going to depict the hierarchy as all having the same virtues as Francis to the same degrees, but I just can't buy that the whole place is some sin palace. " Folks, when the Apostles were ordained priests and bishops in the Upper Room by Our Blessed Lord, every one of them who had living wives became immediately, permanently CONTINENT, if they hadn’t become so already. EVERYONE understood this up until not too terribly long ago. OF COURSE a man who is offering the Holy Sacrifice at the Altar is NOT NOT NOT having sex with his wife. OF COURSE he is living in continence." I've noticed, in my experience, whenever someone makes outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up, they often accompany them with "this is beyond question" or "it is obvious that" or "any educated person knows" or "only a fool would question the idea that". It's a PRETENSE at an explanation, and it's a DODGE. I'm going to skip the "Upper Room" stuff, fun though it would be, to keep the focus where it is. ACCORDING TO HER, as soon as JC "ordained" his leaders ("priests and bishops"), all of the married ones (which, according to her, was nearly all of those leaders) immediately and permanently ceased having conjugal relations with their wives. She offered no SUPPORT for this claim, other than to insist it was obvious it was true ("OF COURSE he is living in continence.") Considering her approach and positions, I would not be surprised if she just wanted the RCC demolished as an organization and its properties and assets sold off.

Ok, I'm aware that the common usage of "celibacy" and "chastity" is that they are synonymous, and that's what almost everybody means when they say either- no conjugal relations, period. I also know that they have not always been synonymous. I'd read- but not from a scholarly source- that "chaste" meant "no conjugal relations" and "celibate" meant "unmarried", and that one could be celibate but not chaste (unmarried but having conjugal relations), or chaste but not celibate (married but not having conjugal relations)- but the latter would be pretty strange. So, I just did a check on some other sources. Here's what they said. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Washington State University professor chimed in on this. https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/celibate-chaste/ "Believe it or not, you can be celibate without being chaste, and chaste without being celibate. A celibate person is merely unmarried, usually (but not always) because of a vow of celibacy. The traditional assumption is that such a person is not having sex with anyone, which leads many to confuse the word with “chaste,” denoting someone who does not have illicit sex. A woman could have wild sex twice a day with her lawful husband and technically still be chaste, though the word is more often used to imply a general abstemiousness from sex and sexuality. " The other 2 sources were Catholic sources. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Our Sunday Visitor Newsweekly" chimed in. https://osvnews.com/2015/01/14/celibacy-vs-chastity/ "The words are related but also have distinct meanings. Continence, in the wider sense, simply means “self control,” especially related to the body. It comes from the Latin continentia, which means “a holding back.” However, over the years, the word “continence” has also developed the more specialized meaning of sexual restraint or the complete abstaining from sexual intercourse. In this case, it is similar to a state of living as a celibate. Celibacy’s wider meaning refers to anyone who lives in an ongoing state of refraining from sexual intercourse. And in this sense, anyone who is unmarried should live “celibately.” However, a person could eventually marry and the celibacy would cease. More strictly, “celibacy” refers in the Church to a vowed, perpetual state of refraining from sexual relations that religious and priests undertake. Here the celibate state is ongoing and expected to be maintained for life. Chastity is the virtue whereby we refrain from all unlawful sexual activity and intercourse. It is a virtue all are called to have, but its manifestation will vary based on one’s state in life. Thus for the married, chastity means fidelity to one’s spouse in body, mind and heart. Any sexual contact with anyone outside of the marriage is adultery. Further, the viewing of pornography and fantasizing about someone other than the spouse is a form of unchastity. The use of contraception is also annexed to unchastity because it willfully excludes openness to the procreative dimension of sex. For the unmarried, chastity means refraining from any form of genital sexual relations, to include inappropriate touching, immodest or inappropriate conversations, the viewing of pornography, masturbation and sexual fantasizing." ---------------------------------------------------------- The National Catholic Register had something on it. http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/what-are-celibacy-chastity-and-continence-9-things-to-know-and-share "These are informal ways of speaking that use these words the way they are popularly understood. In this piece, though, we are going to look at what these terms mean when they are being used in a formal, Catholic context. 2) What is continence? Continence refers to what people think celibacy and chastity refer to—that is, not having sex. The term also has other meanings, but in a formal, Catholic context, it means not using the sexual faculty. That includes not just ordinary, regular sexual acts, but all sexual acts. If you are refraining from any and all sexual acts, you are being continent. It comes from the Latin word continentia, which means “a holding back.” By the late 1300s, this had come to mean refraining from sex. More recently (in the 20th century), it has come to refer from holding back other bodily functions as well. 3) What is celibacy? Celibacy is the state of not being married. People associate it with the priesthood because, in the Latin rite of the Church, the norm is for priests to be unmarried—to be celibate. However, properly speaking, anyone who is unmarried can also be said to be celibate. It comes from the Latin word caelibatus, which simply means “the state of being unmarried.” 4) What is chastity? Chastity is the virtue of being sexually pure. It comes from the Latin word castitas, which originally meant “purity,” and which came to refer specifically to sexual purity. Chastity will take different forms depending on whether one is celibate or married, we are about to see." (etc, check the link for more.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know they used to give tours of it because I took a tour of it. I still remember a few details that made an impression on me, faint as they were.

"Headaches are like resolutions. You forget them as soon as they stop hurting." "So far of those I've used, I haven't had much luck with any of them. Well, let's see what they say about this one. They tell you what it's ingredients are, and how it's guaranteed to exterminate every insect in the world, but they do not tell you whether or not it's painless. And I say, insect or man, death should always be painless." "Sam, this is the last time." "For what?" "For this. Meeting you in secret so we can be secretive. You come down here on business trips, the occasional lunch hour, and I wish you wouldn't even come." "All right, what do we do instead? Write each other lurid love letters? I can come down next week." "No." "Not even just to see you? Have lunch? In public." "Oh, we can see each other. We can even have dinner, but respectably — in my house with my mother's picture on the mantle, and my sister helping me broil a big steak for three." "And after the steak, do we send sister to the movies? Turn mama's picture to the wall?" "Sam!" "All right. Marion, whenever it's possible I want to see you and under any circumstances, even respectability." "You make respectability sound disrespectful." "Oh no, I'm all for it. But it requires patience, temperance, with a lot of sweating out. Otherwise though, it's just hard work. But if I could see you and touch you, you know, simply as this, I won't mind." "You've never had an empty moment in your entire life, have you?" "Only my share." "Where are you going? I didn't mean to pry." "I'm looking for a private island." "What are you running away from?" "Wh-why do you ask that?" "People never run away from anything." "The rain didn't last long, did it? [Pause] You know what I think? I think that we're all in our private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can ever get out. We scratch and we claw, but only at the air, only at each other, and for all of it, we never budge an inch." "Sometimes, we deliberately step into those traps." "I was born in mine. I don't mind it anymore." "Oh, but you should! You should mind it!" "Oh, I do, [laughs] but I say I don't." "You know, if anyone ever talked to me the way I heard — the way she spoke to you..."

"Headaches are like resolutions. You forget them as soon as they stop hurting." "So far of those I've used, I haven't had much luck with any of them. Well, let's see what they say about this one. They tell you what it's ingredients are, and how it's guaranteed to exterminate every insect in the world, but they do not tell you whether or not it's painless. And I say, insect or man, death should always be painless." "Sam, this is the last time." "For what?" "For this. Meeting you in secret so we can be secretive. You come down here on business trips, the occasional lunch hour, and I wish you wouldn't even come." "All right, what do we do instead? Write each other lurid love letters? I can come down next week." "No." "Not even just to see you? Have lunch? In public." "Oh, we can see each other. We can even have dinner, but respectably — in my house with my mother's picture on the mantle, and my sister helping me broil a big steak for three." "And after the steak, do we send sister to the movies? Turn mama's picture to the wall?" "Sam!" "All right. Marion, whenever it's possible I want to see you and under any circumstances, even respectability." "You make respectability sound disrespectful." "Oh no, I'm all for it. But it requires patience, temperance, with a lot of sweating out. Otherwise though, it's just hard work. But if I could see you and touch you, you know, simply as this, I won't mind." "You've never had an empty moment in your entire life, have you?" "Only my share." "Where are you going? I didn't mean to pry." "I'm looking for a private island." "What are you running away from?" "Wh-why do you ask that?" "People never run away from anything." "The rain didn't last long, did it? [Pause] You know what I think? I think that we're all in our private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can ever get out. We scratch and we claw, but only at the air, only at each other, and for all of it, we never budge an inch." "Sometimes, we deliberately step into those traps." "I was born in mine. I don't mind it anymore." "Oh, but you should! You should mind it!" "Oh, I do, [laughs] but I say I don't." "You know, if anyone ever talked to me the way I heard — the way she spoke to you..."

Hypocrisy was pretty much the name-of-the-game for vpw. He could expound for hours on the love of God and even "the love I have for you", then turn around, embezzle the money, and drug and rape the women he just said he loved. The words he spoke were NOT from the heart. vpw taught that in his inner circle, too. lcm documented how he felt offended if he saw vpw even pretend to do any physical work around the grounds. In reality, a little cardio would have done vpw a world of good, especially with all the alcohol and tobacco he was ingesting. His heart needed help. As he was going, it probably would have given out on him if he hadn't already been dead of cancer. (For those who forget, he smoked A LOT for decades, and drank a lot. Tobacco is known to cause cancer. Alcohol is known to weaken the immune system. vpw claimed that he got the cancer from bright studio lights- which are NOT known to cause cancer, otherwise we'd have stage actors dropping dead of cancer all over the world. The closest thing we have to "bright lights I used for 1 1/2 WEEKS gave my eye cancer" is reports that people using WELDERS and BLOW TORCHES have an increased risk if they're used for several YEARS.)

Allan: "Jon Nessle from CFFM has done one of the best teachings on JCING that I have heard since being out of twi...from memory it's called 'Who is this Jesus Christ' " WW: "Ok, so one guy taught one good teaching. Are you saying we should be joining his outfit as a result? I'm unclear why you brought this up specifically, especially in this thread. " Allan: "No, I said one guy did a GREAT teaching on JCING (imo)...and no, I did not say anything about 'joining' anything...I must say I'm quite surprised you of all people 'double misquoting' someone else !! peace brother" WordWolf: So, once again, "I'm unclear why you brought this up specifically, ESPECIALLY IN THIS THREAD." I see no connection to the actual discussion. Was this just a commercial for his teaching? Was this just a commercial for his group? Was this just "I felt like saying that, so I picked this thread at random to post it"? Why did you bring this up specifically, especially in this thread?"