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What was he like as a person? (I don't know about now, so I will go with what he WAS like, and proceed from there.) He wasn't terribly imposing physically. However, it was not beneath him to consider violence as an option-nor threats, either. He was hardly alone in this. I once had a run-in with the late T0m M, years before he committed suicide because he couldn't stop lcm from nailing Mrs T0m M. He was a larger dude, and wanted me to stop an uncomfortable line of discussion (this was at ROA '89, when 1/5 of the previous year's attendees showed, and most of them left twi shortly after that event.) He tried intimidating me physically, and when that failed, he tried to get a rise out of me by threatening physical violence. I bugged him more by simply getting calmer and calmer the more he tried. His final attempt was to try to claim I was unemotional because I wasn't reacting. (No, just smarter and with better mental discipline. Plus, he grew up in the suburbs, I grew up in the 'hood.) Cgeer had no problem similarly trying intimidation OR threats, but was not a physically imposing man nor a trained fighter. So, he didn't default to it all the time, and he needed to use things to accomplish it. Cgeer and lcm (craig) were both the 2 biggest vpw-worshippers in twi. That's why vpw- who loved how they smooched his metaphorical tushie- made them twi elites. lcm was made his successor, and cg went from vpw's bodyguard to in charge of a twi property in a different continent than lcm. (When lcm and the others pushed the retired vpw to the side, vpw ran to cg to cry on his shoulder about how he was being neglected, and how this would destroy twi because they were forsaking Gawd Almighty by ignoring him they way he ignored others who had retired.) cgeer was used to taking care of vpw's dogs (vpw never took care of them), and walking around armed with vpw at public appearances. cg claimed-and I believe he was not lying- that he had been prepared, if necessary, to act as a human shield to take any bullets fired at vpw if something happened. So, how did cg intimidate people? His primary methods were threefold: 1) brandish a firearm, which is a crime in the US 2) use the dogs and menace them (menacing is also a crime in the US) 3) send someone else to intimidate them Others in twi were more fond of the "send others" than cg, but he seemed to like the feeling of power he got when he instilled fear in people by threatening them with a gun or big dog. Mind you, that was 30 years ago, literally. He's 30 years older, and doesn't have the physical power he DID have, such as he had. For someone who only feels secure wielding the power, to live without it is to live in fear. So, he naturally would go into hiding, and lay low or surround himself with security. For someone who is aware of how many lives he hurt, both in acting as a de facto procurer for vpw and in his own capacity to misuse power, he knows there's people who might harm him if they had the change to settle a score, and he's not young. So, that alone would send him into hiding. So, he goes into hiding, and cultivates a sense of mystique about him, making it look like the hiding is anything BUT the cowardice that it is. Mind you, the fact that he was more than a little crazy- and thus unpredictable and lacking self-control- was another issue, and people could be scared he'd go off without warning...which he sometimes did in imitation of vpw. All of that means he's not as scary as he was 30 years ago... and without a gun or a big dog to back him up, he wasn't really scary back then.

Freaking YES!!!!! I even made a reference "TO WIN". (To win? To lose?) Remember the Governor when the press asked his impressions? He did Harpo Marx, then Toulouse Lautrec.

Yes. 2 threads we said this on- 'Might this be why the Moneyhands were M& A?" and "R&R Group: Too Late, cult-sycophants already taken." https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24458-might-this-be-why-the-moneyhands-were-ma/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24586-rr-group-too-late-cult-sycophants-already-taken/

There's 2 Frenchmen famous for being short. One was not actually short, and has a connection to neither absinthe nor painting. That one's Napoleon. Who's the other?

Name the character. Jose Ferrer Vincent Menjou Cortes John Leguizamo (No, this one should not be easy, but I thought I'd try a short round in between some others.) Not a Spaniard, and he wasn't painted as a nobleman in any version of him that made it to the theaters. Peter Sellers (sorta) Règis Royer Mel Brooks (sorta) (I didn't think this would be so hard to win.... ) Other than the previous clues I dropped, Mrs Wolf said to mention "THE GREEN FAIRY" (which is a nickname for something.) She got it from the first 3 names plus a guess- then again, she's been around me and hearing what made me think of this character/real person. For the curious, Peter Sellers played a character who dressed as him, and Mel Brooks played a character who intentionally did an "impression" of him. Actually, he did 2 impressions- one of Harpo Marx and one of this person. Even if that reminds you of nothing, at least look back at the 3 clues I dropped before mentioning "the green fairy" (absinthe) in the preceding posts. Guessing this Frenchman is NOT a tall order.

No, and guessing this Frenchman is NOT a tall order.

Now I have to sit down and listen to the whole song. The lyrics are a lot more interesting than the chorus.

"Don't you know we're riding, on theMarrakech Express? Don't you know we're riding on the Marrakech Express? They're taking me to Marrakech. All aboard, that train! All aboard, that train!" (My guess on the band would have been CSN/Y.)

If you want to get into some thoughts about how they MIGHT apply, I recommend this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1426320.The_Shining_Sword https://www.christianbook.com/the-shining-sword-charles-coleman/9781933573052/pd/573058 "The Shining Sword," by Charles G. Coleman. It's a work of fiction, and an allegory. It's written for children, but it's readable for adults who don't mind reading books written for children. (Some adults are fine with that, but other adults have issues with that.) In one chapter, we see someone getting outfitted with the full armor of Ephesians 6, in verse order, with each piece explained to him as he receives it. My favorite part is that the shining sword comes last, along with its explanation...but then he's advised there's ONE MORE. He's handed a silver trumpet, on which is written the word "PRAYER". (Ephesians 6:18.) An explanation follows that one as well. We do see some of the gear in use in the book, notably the sword, shield and trumpet. It's not authoritative, but it's a nice presentation of some ideas on how that could apply. Also, with the exception of a single sentence in the entire book, you won't have a problem between the allegory and your personal theology.

That whole "needs and wants parallel" thing was more from the "God is a magic genie" ideology, and NOT from the Bible. Notice no verses were ever used to discuss it? Anecdotes, but not verses. We've discussed some of the wrong things/errors in pfal in a few different threads around here somewhere, along with threads about the errors in the Blue Book (which includes the "needs-wants" thing.

Actually, he did 2 impressions- one of Harpo Marx and one of this person. Even if that reminds you of nothing, at least look back at the 3 clues I dropped before mentioning "the green fairy" (absinthe) in the preceding posts.

Ephesians 6:10-17 (KJV) 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Ephesians 6:10-17 (NASB) 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. =================================================== This is pretty straightforward. The words translate as you'd expect them to- sword from "sword", and so on. In Eph 6:11 it even begins with the "whole armor"- Greek word "panoplian", the soldier's full battle-gear and kit. Eph 6:11 and 6:13 say we're to be fully-equipped soldiers, prepared for battle. In these verses, we see a soldier with armor protecting his upper thighs (a big target for Roman-era weapons in that same era), a breastplate, greaves (armored boots, in essence), a shield, a helmet and a sword. All of that clear, none of that ambiguous, and all of that straightforward. What did lcm do? He talked walter into some nonsense (and walter went along with it like a good corporate stooge) where he rewrote some of the meanings. They said that the "shield" wasn't a shield, but a thrown target like some people trained with- which lcm later claimed was a discus. They said that the "sword" wasn't a sword, but a spear- which lcm later claimed was a javelin, athletic equipment and not a weapon. Later lcm swapped out the "helmet" for a garland wreath with no Scriptural justification. When vpw wanted to claim something, he claimed it and ran extensively- then had walter or others construct the rationale to support it no matter what it was. lcm did the same thing. He wanted to say we were athletes, so he said it- and assigned others to construct the rationalizations, no matter how flimsy. (Back then, once I looked up "panoplian", I pretty much knew this couldn't hold water.) Do you want to claim we're any of these things? I suppose you can, with "soldier" having more reason than most, and certainly more than "ambassador" since that only came up once. Me, I'd try not to stress ANY of them too much. Each MADE A POINT and was probably not meant to be taken further than that.

lcm was desperate to put his own mark on twi. The height of his career, not counting twi, was his time in college, where he "rode the bench" on the football team. There, he was a Christian, and crossed paths woth the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, a group that has used the phrase "athletes of the spirit." After college, he got involved with twi, and met vpw. vpw had shamelessly ripped off people like Glenn Clark (founder of "Camps Farthest Out") - who occasionally used the phrase "athletes of the spirit." From here, I give you SPECULATION- but it's really well-informed speculation that fits the facts and the people involved. So,, my speculation.... lcm heard the phrase in college and didn't make a big deal about it. He was gullible enough to be spellbound when he saw vpw in action. vpw, as was his fashion, spun sermons ("teachings") out of other people's work and writings. At some point, vpw plagiarized Glenn Clark on "athletes of the spirit." lcm- who thought of himself as an athlete above all else- latched on to that idea. This is the man who appeared in 2 photos in "TW-LiL", with one of them in a Bible meeting and the other leading people jogging. Later, when he was trying to make his mark on twi, he needed something his and not vpw's. All he had was athletics- so he used that. He built up all the twi "AOtS" stuff from that- anything that wasn't later plagiarized from the John Travolta film "Staying Alive." He convinced walter, at some point, to spin a thin veneer of re-imaginings of verses to support his obsession. The Bible uses a metaphor of running in a race a few times, each in passing. It uses a metaphor of us as gardeners, and as buildings. It also mentions boxing in passing once, and fighting in a few places. In Ephesians, it's rather straightforward that it's all a military metaphor, and lcm really had to rewrite the verses to say otherwise.

He played Warden Hennessey's right-hand man in Death Race Jason Statham Snatch

When it's ok to Google, I can go. I know who he played in 1 movie I saw, but only because I looked it up. (So I can't answer for a few days or until Human says it's ok.)

Here neither.

The Governor did an impression of someone. He even accompanied it with music he vocalized. IIRC, it was when he visited the town.

Hello. When you're ready, and IF you want, we will be interested in what you have to say in general, and in getting any news as to what things look like there right now. (The fewer people who are left in twi, the harder it is to get news from them.) As you already know, there's lots of different perspectives here. Feel free to ask questions and get information from any or all of them.

I'm am shocked :( about all the things I'm reading. Most of us were shocked about most of this. My "guts" kept telling me some things were wrong... I never went to the Corps but I heard about things that were tough. Then heard about the sexual abuse. A lot of people who were somewhat closer than little local Bible meetings saw some things that "felt wrong" but they were so convinced that the overall thing was of God that they ignored that and any "still, small voice" that said otherwise. Then a few things about Geer that one day pushed me violently because someone did something he didn't like and I was in his way... Yeah, when the cameras were off, vpw AND cgeer were nutjobs. lcm was one 24/7 because he really thought this was all of God. That's why he got caught where vpw was busy covering his own tracks. He was about money someone told me. Quite a bit of it was about money, and some was about ego. The entire choice of Gartmore House for the initial location was a poor idea. cgeer himself outlined it in his 40-page letter, but he didn't mean to say that because he signed off on the location, which was the cause of most of the site problems that resulted. (Too remote to get help, too remote to get deliveries, etc.) I'm not sure any of his part wasn't about money OR ego. What happened to Gartmore? Where's the money? Who collected it? Houses in Maine are expensive... cgeer was one of the signators to "the Way in Great Britain Ltd", which owned Gartmore House. "They" sold it off and never announced where the money went. I understand why our country co wanted to protect us. We were so young... A lot of legit Christians in twi did their best to insulate the younger Christians from fallout from the Root locales by psychopathic leaders like vpw, cgeer and lcm.

One thread in which it was discussed was "Gartmore Geer." https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/4587-gartmore-geer/

Ok, they encourage "thinking outside the box" and John 14:12. That's straightforward enough. I may watch something, just not tonight.

You misunderstand me. I believe that THEY believe that's what happened- and mended their ways accordingly, with the end result that they improved and live more godly lives. I believe they're posting what they believe happened. I doubt they were factually correct.

I'm for people reviewing their lives and making improvements. I'm highly skeptical of accounts of Near Death Experiences being an accurate portrayal of what is to come. I don't think they reflect a journey to that undiscovered country from which no traveler returns. There's other possibilities, and I'd expect those to reflect the situation more honestly. If the incident encourages the one living through it to mend their ways, great. I wouldn't discourage that no matter WHAT motivated the change.

Maybe nobody on this thread saw "Moulin Rouge" or "Blazing Saddles."

When it's completely obvious to me I have no chance to recognize the song and artist, it's no loss to disqualify myself by looking it up. I wouldn't have the answer if you posted the entire lyrics and the artist's initials. Seriously, I've never heard this. And I used to listen to Top 40 until Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" started playing hourly- and I quit top 40 cold turkey and listened to rock stations exclusively from that point on. (No, this is not any kind of clue.)